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  • were Innocenceto win, i would be most happy:

    for while this process brought for me glancing
    clarification-Innocence does, gives everything,
    sets, in fugitive ways-ways each rewatch, to this
    day, draws out more clearly, surprisingly-both
    all that ways and all that will come-

    to, through Buffy, but not only-

    The Gift, takes the threads of Innocence, at once
    complicates and explodes them into radically new
    lines of flight-

    and while my most dense dimensions of thought,
    of that thought's palpable enlacing to desire would
    have put one first, i clearly failed to convince, can
    clearly grasp the preference of others for the other-

    were Passion to win...

    that would wrench:

    brilliant and significant as it be, strongly as it reverberates,
    it lacks the complex heft of the other two-its finest moments
    stem from the consequences of Innocence-and The Gift, if
    one is given to thinking the shaping force the future has upon
    the past, given to non-metric time-

    aside from demolishing Buffy's reticence, her inability to kill
    Angelus, it does not actually make events, originate, as
    do the others-


    and i promise those shall be my last words on all of this-



    + Innocence
    - Passion


    Innocence 13
    Passion 8

    Reset at:
    16
    10
    4

    Eliminated:
    03. The Gift
    04. The Wish
    05. The Body
    06. Becoming I
    07. Dead Things
    08. Fool For Love
    09. Seeing Red
    10. Helpless
    11. When She Was Bad
    12. Hush
    13. Bargaining II
    14. Consequences
    15. Earshot
    16. The Prom
    17. No Place Like Home
    18. School Hard
    19. Ted
    20. Lovers Walk
    21. Fear, Itself
    22. The Pack



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    • Originally posted by StateOfSiege97 View Post
      and i promise those shall be my last words on all of this-
      Your passion is persuasive. As I think the consensus, taken on a literal numbers in favour of one or the other, goes to Innocence, I will go with that. I can see that Innocence is a better ensemble piece and although it probably just loses to Passion for me personally because of the flaws it has, a strong ensemble piece is a good reason to want to look past those. As I said, neither are my top two eps but they are amongst the top ones of the show for me and I'm happy to just go with the majority preference in order to choose between them.

      + Innocence
      - Passion

      Innocence 14
      Passion 7

      Reset at:
      16
      10
      4

      Eliminated:
      03. The Gift
      04. The Wish
      05. The Body
      06. Becoming I
      07. Dead Things
      08. Fool For Love
      09. Seeing Red
      10. Helpless
      11. When She Was Bad
      12. Hush
      13. Bargaining II
      14. Consequences
      15. Earshot
      16. The Prom
      17. No Place Like Home
      18. School Hard
      19. Ted
      20. Lovers Walk
      21. Fear, Itself
      22. The Pack

      Comment


      • + Innocence
        - Passion

        Innocence 15
        Passion 6

        Reset at:
        16
        10
        4

        Eliminated:
        03. The Gift
        04. The Wish
        05. The Body
        06. Becoming I
        07. Dead Things
        08. Fool For Love
        09. Seeing Red
        10. Helpless
        11. When She Was Bad
        12. Hush
        13. Bargaining II
        14. Consequences
        15. Earshot
        16. The Prom
        17. No Place Like Home
        18. School Hard
        19. Ted
        20. Lovers Walk
        21. Fear, Itself
        22. The Pack

        Comment


        • + Innocence
          - Passion

          Innocence 16
          Passion 5

          Reset at:
          16
          10
          4

          Eliminated:
          03. The Gift
          04. The Wish
          05. The Body
          06. Becoming I
          07. Dead Things
          08. Fool For Love
          09. Seeing Red
          10. Helpless
          11. When She Was Bad
          12. Hush
          13. Bargaining II
          14. Consequences
          15. Earshot
          16. The Prom
          17. No Place Like Home
          18. School Hard
          19. Ted
          20. Lovers Walk
          21. Fear, Itself
          22. The Pack


          ~ Banner by Nina ~

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          • + Innocence
            - Passion

            Innocence 17
            Passion 4

            Reset at:
            16
            10
            4

            Eliminated:
            03. The Gift
            04. The Wish
            05. The Body
            06. Becoming I
            07. Dead Things
            08. Fool For Love
            09. Seeing Red
            10. Helpless
            11. When She Was Bad
            12. Hush
            13. Bargaining II
            14. Consequences
            15. Earshot
            16. The Prom
            17. No Place Like Home
            18. School Hard
            19. Ted
            20. Lovers Walk
            21. Fear, Itself
            22. The Pack



            Comment


            • - Innocence
              + Passion

              Innocence 16
              Passion 5

              Reset at:
              16
              10
              4

              Eliminated:
              03. The Gift
              04. The Wish
              05. The Body
              06. Becoming I
              07. Dead Things
              08. Fool For Love
              09. Seeing Red
              10. Helpless
              11. When She Was Bad
              12. Hush
              13. Bargaining II
              14. Consequences
              15. Earshot
              16. The Prom
              17. No Place Like Home
              18. School Hard
              19. Ted
              20. Lovers Walk
              21. Fear, Itself
              22. The Pack


              You keep waiting for the dust to settle and then you realize it; the dust is your life going on. If happy comes along - that weird unbearable delight that's actual happy - I think you have to grab it while you can. You take what you can get, 'cause it's here, and then...gone.

              Comment


              • + Innocence
                - Passion

                Innocence 17
                Passion 4

                Reset at:
                16
                10
                4

                Eliminated:
                03. The Gift
                04. The Wish
                05. The Body
                06. Becoming I
                07. Dead Things
                08. Fool For Love
                09. Seeing Red
                10. Helpless
                11. When She Was Bad
                12. Hush
                13. Bargaining II
                14. Consequences
                15. Earshot
                16. The Prom
                17. No Place Like Home
                18. School Hard
                19. Ted
                20. Lovers Walk
                21. Fear, Itself
                22. The Pack

                Comment


                • + Innocence
                  - Passion

                  Innocence 18
                  Passion 3

                  Reset at:
                  16
                  10
                  4

                  Eliminated:
                  03. The Gift
                  04. The Wish
                  05. The Body
                  06. Becoming I
                  07. Dead Things
                  08. Fool For Love
                  09. Seeing Red
                  10. Helpless
                  11. When She Was Bad
                  12. Hush
                  13. Bargaining II
                  14. Consequences
                  15. Earshot
                  16. The Prom
                  17. No Place Like Home
                  18. School Hard
                  19. Ted
                  20. Lovers Walk
                  21. Fear, Itself
                  22. The Pack

                  Comment


                  • + Innocence
                    - Passion

                    Innocence 19
                    Passion 2

                    Reset at:
                    16
                    10
                    4

                    Eliminated:
                    02.
                    03. The Gift
                    04. The Wish
                    05. The Body
                    06. Becoming I
                    07. Dead Things
                    08. Fool For Love
                    09. Seeing Red
                    10. Helpless
                    11. When She Was Bad
                    12. Hush
                    13. Bargaining II
                    14. Consequences
                    15. Earshot
                    16. The Prom
                    17. No Place Like Home
                    18. School Hard
                    19. Ted
                    20. Lovers Walk
                    21. Fear, Itself
                    22. The Pack

                    Comment


                    • - Innocence
                      + Passion

                      Innocence 18
                      Passion 3

                      Reset at:
                      16
                      10
                      4

                      Eliminated:
                      02.
                      03. The Gift
                      04. The Wish
                      05. The Body
                      06. Becoming I
                      07. Dead Things
                      08. Fool For Love
                      09. Seeing Red
                      10. Helpless
                      11. When She Was Bad
                      12. Hush
                      13. Bargaining II
                      14. Consequences
                      15. Earshot
                      16. The Prom
                      17. No Place Like Home
                      18. School Hard
                      19. Ted
                      20. Lovers Walk
                      21. Fear, Itself
                      22. The Pack


                      You keep waiting for the dust to settle and then you realize it; the dust is your life going on. If happy comes along - that weird unbearable delight that's actual happy - I think you have to grab it while you can. You take what you can get, 'cause it's here, and then...gone.

                      Comment


                      • + Innocence
                        - Passion

                        Innocence 19
                        Passion 2

                        Reset at:
                        16
                        10
                        4

                        Eliminated:
                        02.
                        03. The Gift
                        04. The Wish
                        05. The Body
                        06. Becoming I
                        07. Dead Things
                        08. Fool For Love
                        09. Seeing Red
                        10. Helpless
                        11. When She Was Bad
                        12. Hush
                        13. Bargaining II
                        14. Consequences
                        15. Earshot
                        16. The Prom
                        17. No Place Like Home
                        18. School Hard
                        19. Ted
                        20. Lovers Walk
                        21. Fear, Itself
                        22. The Pack

                        Comment


                        • + Innocence
                          - Passion

                          Innocence 20
                          Passion 1

                          Reset at:
                          16
                          10
                          4

                          Eliminated:
                          02.
                          03. The Gift
                          04. The Wish
                          05. The Body
                          06. Becoming I
                          07. Dead Things
                          08. Fool For Love
                          09. Seeing Red
                          10. Helpless
                          11. When She Was Bad
                          12. Hush
                          13. Bargaining II
                          14. Consequences
                          15. Earshot
                          16. The Prom
                          17. No Place Like Home
                          18. School Hard
                          19. Ted
                          20. Lovers Walk
                          21. Fear, Itself
                          22. The Pack

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                          • DRUMROLL.......

                            And the winner is....


                            INNOCENCE

                            + Innocence
                            - Passion (Eliminated)

                            Innocence 21 - WINNER


                            Reset at:
                            16
                            10
                            4

                            Eliminated:
                            02. Passion
                            03. The Gift
                            04. The Wish
                            05. The Body
                            06. Becoming I
                            07. Dead Things
                            08. Fool For Love
                            09. Seeing Red
                            10. Helpless
                            11. When She Was Bad
                            12. Hush
                            13. Bargaining II
                            14. Consequences
                            15. Earshot
                            16. The Prom
                            17. No Place Like Home
                            18. School Hard
                            19. Ted
                            20. Lovers Walk
                            21. Fear, Itself
                            22. The Pack

                            ~ Banner by Nina ~

                            Comment


                            • There are plenty of episodes I would've ranked higher/lower and in this top 22 there are a many episodes I do not like all that much. But this top 2 is also my personal top 2.

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                              • Stoney
                                Stoney commented
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                                It's been good fun.

                            • I'm sure if we all gave our personal choice for the wining episode of each round and then our own final 22 in order there would be quite a few variations scattered about. So we can see there's a degree of compromise and, certainly for me and probably everyone else too, times when even a small group consensus overruled your subjective preferences. But I really do think it is what makes these games fun. If we all agreed on everything it wouldn't be anywhere near as interesting. Let's face it though, it is also nice to see your own favourites get some love and there are a lot here that I would have chosen and, for me, I don't think any that I don't think of as great episodes.

                              What I love about BtVS is that 22 episodes is just nowhere near enough to list all those you think are strong. Because of the format of the initial rounds there were some that had more than one episode in that I really rated very highly. So ones that I like considerably more than some that won other rounds never saw the winning position of their own rounds, let alone the final. But that also made it all a bit different and it was a quirky way of working through an elimination, so thanks to vampmogs for the idea.

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                              • vampmogs
                                vampmogs commented
                                Editing a comment
                                No worries Can't believe we finally got here

                            • Glad we finally made it to the end

                              I'm obviously very happy my favourite episode happened to win as I honestly didn't expect it too But as like everyone else, my personal Top 22 episodes would have looked slightly different. Some major episodes missing for me are Who Are You, Dopplegangland and Prophecy Girl which are all incredibly strong episodes but unfortunately were pitted against equally strong episodes in their respective rounds. I also couldn't get Halloween over the line and I'm very fond of Pangs.

                              Overall though a lot of out winners were some of my favourite episodes too and I was pleasantly surprised with the love some episodes received that I thought I was in the minority of liking.

                              Thanks for participating everyone!

                              ~ Banner by Nina ~

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                              • Normal Again-

                                but that aside, many thanks to everyone, to
                                the ideas expressed, exchange in the process-


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                                • Stoney
                                  Stoney commented
                                  Editing a comment
                                  And OMWF, Beneath You and After Life. There were some pretty tough rounds where ones voted out could probably have beaten other round winners. Too many great eps is a good problem to have though.
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