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  • Origins Issue #4

    After all the back and forth with Peter Johnson after the last issue of ?Origins' I was kind of curious about the next one, curious if they learned from their mistakes and though I enjoyed the 4th issue a bit more than the rest of it, I am still far from being happy.

    First off we have a very annoying timeline error, as John's hunt after ?Doc Benton', under the supervision of his still unnamed mentor, is dated in 1982, which obviously is before Mary died. Also, again we have a change in John's characterisation. It's not clear how much time passed between the last issue and this one, but while he was paralysed by the skinwalker in the last comic, he now turns into a chainsaw massacre kind of guy! While I appreciate the nod to pop culture it still feels shaky at best when it comes to characterisation. Even fuelled by his need to see Mary, the whole scene was far too over the top for me.

    Then we have the whole Mary situation:
    In John's meeting with spirit!Mary, procured by Pastor Jim, her ?angelic' appearance suggests her to be at peace and her ?Goodbye, John' a definite farewell, which seems odd, given that her spirit is still bound to the house in Lawrence. Also, Jim's words about Mary being on a ?spirit plane' directly contradicts ?Home'. The reaper in ?In My Time of Dying' explains that spirits, that are not able to move on, are trapped at the place they haunt, so it's not as if Mary would be able to jump in between planes.

    The other issue is still that if we believe the YED's words to Sam in AHBL Pt1, Mary's death was an unfortunate accident (which is kind of supported by the fact that only 4 kids had a nursery fire), her simply being at the wrong place at the wrong time and there were definitely no hellhounds around. The comic still follows the suggestion that Mary's death wasn't a coincidence and that her time of death is of significance.

    Talking of time: The clock in Sam's nursery shows it to be 8:10 pm when the time stops and the lights begin to flicker, so what the heck happened between 8:10 pm and 11:27 pm, when Mary is supposed to have been died according to the comic? That's nearly 3 hours between the signs of the demon showing up and Mary being at the ceiling! That's a hell of a lot of time just to drip some drops of blood into the infants mouth.

    Also, in ?Salvation' John mentions that in 22 years he never got any lead on the demon that killed Mary, that it went into hibernation or hiding, not re-appearing up and until the time John vanishes, 3 weeks before the Pilot takes place, so the whole story about following leads on the thing that killed Mary right after her death still doesn't make any sense at all and would only add up if it turns out to be something different entirely, not connected to Mary's death! So after all the discussions with the writers there's still lots of inconsistencies with the show and I am very disappointed in that.

    On a sidenote: In ?Salvation' John also mentions that he followed a trail of burned down houses throughout the country, as he picked up on the demon, thus being able to track down the weather signs just before the demon strikes again. In Sam's generation only 4 nursery fires happened and with the demon stating it only to be accidents it does make sense, so how comes that in the generation after Sam there were so many more nursery fires, that John was able to track down a pattern from it? Inconsistency, bad luck or did the demon lie after all?

    But there were some good things: I did enjoy the opening scene, with John chasing Mary through the woods. Kind of reminiscent of the opening scene of CSPWDT, but then turning into a romantic scenery. Very neat, I loved that! I also liked the background story on Pastor Jim. His character is vague enough on the show to provide him with a rich background in the comics and I am curious where they take him in the comics.

  • #2
    Originally posted by galathea View Post
    On a sidenote: In ?Salvation' John also mentions that he followed a trail of burned down houses throughout the country, as he picked up on the demon, thus being able to track down the weather signs just before the demon strikes again. In Sam's generation only 4 nursery fires happened and with the demon stating it only to be accidents it does make sense, so how comes that in the generation after Sam there were so many more nursery fires, that John was able to track down a pattern from it? Inconsistency, bad luck or did the demon lie after all?
    Oh, I've wondered that a lot, ever since we learned that there were only four house fires in Sam's generation! Wonder if the show itself will ever address the issue...

    Thanks for the review, Chris - I rely on your assessment to know whether or not to bother purchasing the comics, this last issue or two. It really is a disappointment that there is so little canon consistency in them. Surely it wouldn't be that hard to keep the details accurate? Even bearing in mind the desire to tell appealing stories. I mean, if fans can keep track of important - and not so important - details, then professionals who are paid to do a job like this should also be able to, surely!

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    • #3
      It is disappointing especially after the long and fruitful debate that happened between fandom and Johnson after the first issues. Shaky characterisation aside, at least I hoped that they would keep an eye on the simple facts, like something extraordinarily stupid as to date the hunt in 1982 in this issue ... I mean something like that shouldn't even be able to cross the mind of someone who writes for the comic! At least where simple dates, names and times are concerned facts checking is absolutely simple, while characterisation still is a matter of interpretation of sorts.

      I keep reading them just for having the information ready in case someone refers to it, so I know what they are talking about, but I stopped accepting it as the background story for the Winchesters quite a while ago! /sigh

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      • #4
        I truly believe they are unbelievably pressed for time. The comic feels rushed and simplistic. As if the storyboard dialogue was not refined and developed.

        It's not just the SN canon ideas. It's everything. I mean they talk about someone drowning and refer to it as watching someone smother. Choked, lungs filled up with water, okay terms. But smother is so wrong. It's like when I write I use placeholders until I can go back and find the real word I want. So it feels like the rough draft of dialogue is getting sent on to the letterer.

        I don't know how they got behind whether it was just poor time estimates, time management, or lack of personnel. But I doubt it was out of lack of caring on Peter Johnson, Kripke or other SN people. I think right now, they are realizing how unprepared they or their assigns were and are struggling their best to stay afloat.

        Lydia made the punch!

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