Season Three Spoilers (without Tags!)

[Thomas]

I was doing my daily check of Spoilerfix and saw the Supernatural page had been updated and saw this...

Supernatural is adding two new characters. The two new regulars are both female demon hunters in their mid 20's. One is more quirky, funny and the other more mysterious and tough. Both need to be hot.

Keyword: Regulars. Yeah, I suspect some of you won't be too happy about this addition.

[galathea]

I think it is way too early to see this as any confirmed plan for the next season. Remember last year it was exactley the same rumour, two female hunters, one of them a love interest for Dean and see how that turned out. None of them were hunters and the love interest plotline was dropped faster than you can blink.

I don't see them add any regular characters, as in being on every episode, recurring, mabye, regulars, I don't think so. Every interview over the last couple of months the writers and producers stated that they don't plan to change the formula of the show, 2 young men travelling the backroads of America, hunting ghosts. Adding steady characters, that appear regularly won't work with that formula. It was hard enough to explain the boys' trips to the Roadhouse every other episode and they quickly dropped that as well.

Anyway, however they handle additions to the cast, I for one don't care as long as the dynamics and set-up of the show don't change. Personally I don't want or need any more characters on this show, since I think we have very strong recurring characters with Bobby, Ellen, Agent Henrickson, Gordon etc that the viewers already know and that can be easily expanded on. I prefer that to any new characters (female or not, hunter or not). Building up backgrounds for already established characters makes a lot more sense in my book. But that's just me!

[Ehlwyen]

The more I think about it, the more excited I am. The show has been very insular. They really do need to expand on who the Winchester's know.

The first season, Sam and Dean were referring to all kinds of random hunters, then by Salvation, two of the named ones were offed. Then in the beginning of Season 2, Ellen and Ash who they had never met or heard of were their only contacts. wtf! At least they brought Bobby back into their calling circle by 2.14. There are lots more hunters out there, and Bobby and Ellen don't need to be the only links we hear or see.

In addition, I think it is an interesting idea to bring in more characters the age of the Winchesters. I'm a strong believer that you connect best to people in your own age bracket. Jo was too young and Ellen and Bobby are too old. Whether they are love interests or just casual acquaintances, I hope that these characters bring out something new in Sam and Dean. I think that Sam and Dean have done all the revealing they can do to each other for a while. They have really become a single unit in thinking, action, and motive.

I think adding these characters as permanent regulars from the start is an unwise move. I know I resisted Ellen, Jo, and Ash, because their introduction seemed too contrived and that we were supposed to accept they were part of the show. We have met so many other characters that would have made interesting regulars because they had a unique natural introduction by way of storyline, where it doesn't seem forced.

But that being said, I don't really have a problem with the show getting regulars. The show is called Supernatural, not Winchesters. The Winchesters don't have to be the greatest hunters of all time with the greatest saga of all time. It was always the personal nature of their story that drew me too them. They weren't doing it for the thrills or because it was their duty, it was because of something that happened in their lives and somewhere in them, they knew they needed to do this in their lives or they wouldn't be happy. And they accomplished what they needed to, it's not far fetched that they start to reassess where they are in life. Now Sam has to save Dean obviously before any of that can happen, but please please please don't let saving Dean from the bargain happen in the S3 finale. Way too contrived and expected.

Personally, I can't stand Gordon and hope he stays locked up. Hendrickson, yawn, maybe we can jazz up his motives a little more than just some FBI agent way too cocky and into his job rather than seeing the world and bigger picture.

[galathea]

The more I think about it, the more excited I am. The show has been very insular. They really do need to expand on who the Winchester's know.

Well, actually that's one of the things I like about the show. I like that we have a very small cast with only 2 regulars since it allows for a lot deeper character exploration than ensemble casts. And we have enough ensemble casts on tv already, really don't need another one. I don't have a beef with recurring characters because I think that they complement the SN universe and make it richer, anything though that tears away the focal point of the show, meaning Sam&Dean, doesn't sit very well with me.

Now, I am not blind and there's a limit to earth- and heartshattering interactions between the Winchester's and they need to give them other's to interact with as well and I look forward to that, but I am not up for a show about a bunch of hunters, doing their business. The show was always very personal with Sam's and Dean's agendas and I think they need to keep that up and with the upcoming plotlines about Dean's deal, Sam's unkonwn psychological status and the unleashed demon army, they have enough personal material to work with.

In addition, I think it is an interesting idea to bring in more characters the age of the Winchesters. I'm a strong believer that you connect best to people in your own age bracket.

ROFL it's a wonder that I connected to so many people on this board then, given that I am out of the average age bracket Characters in the in different age groups will bring out different traits in the boys, but I firmly believe that you can connect deeply with people in ANY age bracket, no matter how far apart they are!

I think adding these characters as permanent regulars from the start is an unwise move. I know I resisted Ellen, Jo, and Ash, because their introduction seemed too contrived and that we were supposed to accept they were part of the show. We have met so many other characters that would have made interesting regulars because they had a unique natural introduction by way of storyline, where it doesn't seem forced.

I completely agree with this. SN was often very capable to create loveable sidecharacters with relative ease and without pushing them onto the viewer. Like Bobby, Andy or Ava. Funnily enough, as soon as they actually created characters that were meant to become recurring/regulars aka the Roadhouse gang, they handled it very clumsily. That's why I am not so fond of this rumour, because past experience showed us that they can be a bit annoying in that regard.

Let these characters be introduced, show up every now and then, let the viewers get accustomed and attached to them and then start pulling them in more often. Worked like a charm with Bobby.

Personally, I can't stand Gordon and hope he stays locked up. Hendrickson, yawn, maybe we can jazz up his motives a little more than just some FBI agent way too cocky and into his job rather than seeing the world and bigger picture.

I liked Gordon, I think he was a nice addition and showed the dark side of the hunters. Henrickson can become a very intriguing character if played right. I would love to see him turn around to the boys PoV eventually and become an ally. Now that's a plotline I would love!

[Ehlwyen]

Well, actually that's one of the things I like about the show. I like that we have a very small cast with only 2 regulars since it allows for a lot deeper character exploration than ensemble casts. And we have enough ensemble casts on tv already, really don't need another one. I don't have a beef with recurring characters because I think that they complement the SN universe and make it richer, anything though that tears away the focal point of the show, meaning Sam&Dean, doesn't sit very well with me.

I love the show for only having two characters!!! And you know that! In a perfect world, SN would go 20 years and JA and JP would be the only main characters and be in almost every scene. I know you realize this is not possible. But I am just moving with the flow and accepting it here. It will be easier come September for me.

I was actually just pointing out how close and inward looking our view of the Winchesters has become. Sometimes you can't see the forest for all the trees. We are so inside what Sam and Dean are doing and feeling that stepping back and seeing them from another's point of view will be good for us. Hopefully, refreshing and revealing.

Now, I am not blind and there's a limit to earth- and heartshattering interactions between the Winchester's and they need to give them other's to interact with as well and I look forward to that, but I am not up for a show about a bunch of hunters, doing their business. The show was always very personal with Sam's and Dean's agendas and I think they need to keep that up and with the upcoming plotlines about Dean's deal, Sam's unkonwn psychological status and the unleashed demon army, they have enough personal material to work with.

I have no doubt there is plenty of personal material to work with. But being able to compare and contrast their personal struggle with other people's journeys creates interesting parallels that will mirror back and illuminate the Winchesters in new ways or with more levels.

I also am a fan of the common or the underdog. The Winchesters have been elevated to godlike status and I think it would be interesting to show them more human and not that unlike the rest of the hunters out there. Obviously, none of them have a psychic child as a relative, which is what will always make the Winchester unique. But most of the hunters have tragic stories that drove them to this path, the Winchester's are not the only ones who lost someone.

ROFL it's a wonder that I connected to so many people on this board then, given that I am out of the average age bracket Characters in the in different age groups will bring out different traits in the boys, but I firmly believe that you can connect deeply with people in ANY age bracket, no matter how far apart they are!

Actually all of us here have connected out of love of a fandom and shared interest. That's why I believe in people being closer in age getting along better. They usually are exposed to the same fandoms and interests and events and trends. For example, Star Wars is barely a blip on my life, while my husband who is 2 years older, remembers a lot of that fondly.

It's the same reason why I pull for Sam and Dean so strongly as brothers before blood and other people. They are united because of that shared experience growing up. They had the same quirky things happen to them they can remember as shaping their lives. The spaghetti-o's and milk. My god, my sister loved that stuff and to this day we have serious talks about her gross obsession and people look at us because we're crazy. Or Thundercats being on tv in both Dean's memories. I'll rant blue about Thundercats vs. Voltron, my sister 2 years younger will vaguely remember it, while my youngest sister who is 5 years younger than me will look at me as if I'm crazy.

Dean has always been defined by his interests. So I would find it more important for him than Sam to connect with someone his same age level.

I also believe your interests don't just define who you are, but you choose which interests you like based on who you are. It's a common way of thinking. So I stand by age level usually defines interests and therefore a common ground. Especially in the real world where the pool of people you can come in contact with is so much smaller than on the internet.

I completely agree with this. SN was often very capable to create loveable sidecharacters with relative ease and without pushing them onto the viewer. Like Bobby, Andy or Ava. Funnily enough, as soon as they actually created characters that were meant to become recurring/regulars aka the Roadhouse gang, they handled it very clumsily. That's why I am not so fond of this rumour, because past experience showed us that they can be a bit annoying in that regard.

Let these characters be introduced, show up every now and then, let the viewers get accustomed and attached to them and then start pulling them in more often. Worked like a charm with Bobby.

I liked Gordon, I think he was a nice addition and showed the dark side of the hunters. Henrickson can become a very intriguing character if played right. I would love to see him turn around to the boys PoV eventually and become an ally. Now that's a plotline I would love!

I know, *sigh* it is only with the Roadhouse gang that they did so poorly at attaching the viewer's hearts. *shakes head*

I truly hope the characters are naturally introduced and then appear only every couple of episodes rather than having a storyline involving them forced upon us every week. Anyway, Sam and Dean need the backup if they are fighting an "army" of demons.

Henrickson was just a butt to that female lawyer. I found that extremely unprofessional and have very little respect for someone with type of arrogance and attitude. For me, he's merely a bug who is waiting to be enlightened by the Winchesters or squashed because he comes into contact with the evil he's trying to prevent them from fighting. So he will just be a pest until he either learns the truth or we find out that he has some ulterior motive.

[galathea]

I was actually just pointing out how close and inward looking our view of the Winchesters has become. Sometimes you can't see the forest for all the trees. We are so inside what Sam and Dean are doing and feeling that stepping back and seeing them from another's point of view will be good for us. Hopefully, refreshing and revealing.

I totally second that. One of the reasons I loved 'Roadkill' was that it gave a complete outsider PoV on the boys, even if it was only a ghost or why I love Henrickson, because he gives a good outsider PoV as well. Heck, most of the average people we get to meet with Sam and Dean deliver some kind of perspective on the boys. So actually that is already happening a lot on the show! I just meant that I don't need a duo of female hunters as regulars to get a new perspective on the brothers Winchester.

I have no doubt there is plenty of personal material to work with. But being able to compare and contrast their personal struggle with other people's journeys creates interesting parallels that will mirror back and illuminate the Winchesters in new ways or with more levels.

Well, just as with the outsider PoV, paralleling and mirroring their personal struggles also occurs in nearly every episode already. Only that they are usually reflected in their MotW plotlines, but sometimes also in the people around them, think of Andy&Anson or the Father&Son duo in Bugs, just to mention two instances. I know that you are probably more aiming for other hunter families, but I think they did the job of illuminating the Winchesters through secondary plotlines quite nicely in the past 2 seasons.

I also am a fan of the common or the underdog. The Winchesters have been elevated to godlike status and I think it would be interesting to show them more human and not that unlike the rest of the hunters out there. Obviously, none of them have a psychic child as a relative, which is what will always make the Winchester unique. But most of the hunters have tragic stories that drove them to this path, the Winchester's are not the only ones who lost someone.

ROFL I never felt they were elevated to a godlike status! Where does that come from?! Because they never stay dead?!

I don't know, obviously all kinds of people were driven into the world of the supernatural and it's natural to assume that it is probably either through personal tragedy or contact with hunters. For example I can easily see people that Sam and Dean touched throughout their journey going down that path out of conviction and without personal tragedies in the background.

I do think their circumstances make the Winchesters pretty unique, mainly Sam's and Mary's involvement in the whole demon saga and their complete isolation from anything resembling a community. I am still wary of the fact that John never actually introduced them to the hunter's network and I still think it has to have a reason, other than Bill Harvelle's death. Nevertheless I think Sam and Dean are portrayed pretty human, LOL .. they screw up, they make mistakes, they fight, they care for each other, they get hurt, they win, they loose.

Actually all of us here have connected out of love of a fandom and shared interest. That's why I believe in people being closer in age getting along better. They usually are exposed to the same fandoms and interests and events and trends. For example, Star Wars is barely a blip on my life, while my husband who is 2 years older, remembers a lot of that fondly.

I also believe your interests don't just define who you are, but you choose which interests you like based on who you are. It's a common way of thinking. So I stand by age level usually defines interests and therefore a common ground. Especially in the real world where the pool of people you can come in contact with is so much smaller than on the internet.

While it is surely common to connect over shared interests, it's not the only way. You also connect through personality and common experiences that are not defined by age induced interests, but by personal events in your life. And even with interest defined friendships age doesn't really matter. I know Star Wars Fan in every generation, doesn't really matter if they were around the first time it came to the movies or only discovered it on DVD now. So it may sometimes be easier to find friends with the same interests in your own age group, but it's by far not exclusive.

[Ehlwyen]

I totally second that. One of the reasons I loved 'Roadkill' was that it gave a complete outsider PoV on the boys, even if it was only a ghost or why I love Henrickson, because he gives a good outsider PoV as well. Heck, most of the average people we get to meet with Sam and Dean deliver some kind of perspective on the boys. So actually that is already happening a lot on the show! I just meant that I don't need a duo of female hunters as regulars to get a new perspective on the brothers Winchester.

Well, just as with the outsider PoV, paralleling and mirroring their personal struggles also occurs in nearly every episode already. Only that they are usually reflected in their MotW plotlines, but sometimes also in the people around them, think of Andy&Anson or the Father&Son duo in Bugs, just to mention two instances. I know that you are probably more aiming for other hunter families, but I think they did the job of illuminating the Winchesters through secondary plotlines quite nicely in the past 2 seasons.

Roadkill did not work for me. Mostly because the Winchesters were reduced to explaining how the SN world worked.

Now Henrickson in Nightshifter was awesome. That whole episode worked beautifully with Henrickson's view of Sam and Dean being miscreants. While on the other side, we got to see a sad picture of Ronald evoking possible images of John's entry into the supernatural realm. It would have been such a strong move of the show to have kept Ronald alive. We could have later checked in on him and his becoming a hunter.

Specifically, two female hunters? I agree, not necessary. However, I think that parallels can only go so deep with one-off characters. I may love the endless possibilities of guessing the one-off character's motivations and desires to how they reached this point in life and how they will deal with it after the Winchester's leave. However, they are so crystallized in exemplifying a singular scenario that there is some loss of realness and personal attachment.

Most importantly, the show has such a strong tendency to these mytharc episodes that it can't introduce one-off's every week. Having regular characters who don't need to be introduced will allow the paralleling to happen without taking much time away from an episode.

ROFL I never felt they were elevated to a godlike status! Where does that come from?! Because they never stay dead?!

You know very well I'm speaking of the LJ fandom where each Winchester has been so retold and redefined into caricatures of themselves. Tall tales was a perfect title for an episode as they are just like the tall tales of Paul Bunyan where their feats are so grossly exaggerated. Great for laugh, but I think that a lot of people believe a little too much.

Dean's only weakness is Sam and his family (okay, flying, but that doesn't come up much). It would be nice to see something else rattle his cage like a normal person.

I don't know, obviously all kinds of people were driven into the world of the supernatural and it's natural to assume that it is probably either through personal tragedy or contact with hunters. For example I can easily see people that Sam and Dean touched throughout their journey going down that path out of conviction and without personal tragedies in the background.

I do think their circumstances make the Winchesters pretty unique, mainly Sam's and Mary's involvement in the whole demon saga and their complete isolation from anything resembling a community. I am still wary of the fact that John never actually introduced them to the hunter's network and I still think it has to have a reason, other than Bill Harvelle's death.

And that reason is Gordon. Actually, people who think like him. John was afraid of that type of irrational fear and distrust from hunters who had already been hurt in their lives. John knew Sam was special or that he himself was different from other hunters because of the nursery fire. He couldn't trust many people to see things through his pov.

Nevertheless I think Sam and Dean are portrayed pretty human, LOL .. they screw up, they make mistakes, they fight, they care for each other, they get hurt, they win, they loose.

Eh...really that's only in comparison to demons and each other. Not other humans or hunters. Two superhuman characters fighting supernatural creatures puts them all on the same playing field.

As far as other adversaries or hunters, Dean easily put Gordon down or outfoxed Henrickson. Heck, Sam took out two swat team members. :eek: Barehanded. Double eek! :eek: :eek:

Jo only got the slip on Dean because he was in a jovial non serious mood. He wasn't trying to fight. While Bobby and Ellen have both been parental figures that they haven't been trying to stand up to.

While it is surely common to connect over shared interests, it's not the only way. You also connect through personality and common experiences that are not defined by age induced interests, but by personal events in your life. And even with interest defined friendships age doesn't really matter. I know Star Wars Fan in every generation, doesn't really matter if they were around the first time it came to the movies or only discovered it on DVD now. So it may sometimes be easier to find friends with the same interests in your own age group, but it's by far not exclusive.

If you at one point believed I was being exclusive then you really don't know me at all. I was merely pointing out a trend that I had found which resonated personally with me.

[galathea]

And that reason is Gordon. Actually, people who think like him. John was afraid of that type of irrational fear and distrust from hunters who had already been hurt in their lives. John knew Sam was special or that he himself was different from other hunters because of the nursery fire. He couldn't trust many people to see things through his pov.

That's a fair enough reason but that would only work so far. Ellen said that they were family once. If the Roadhouse and John were as close as she suggests and he was there so often that he was considered family, he had to trust and/or believe in the goodness of the hunter's network for quite a while. Especially in the beginning of John's crusade I don't see how he could possibly have enough insight into those structures to make a decision like that. And John was cautious but not paranoid enough to never trust the boys into other peoples care or keeping Sam&Dean a secret, since they were well known at the Roadhouse. I just don't know, I'd expect a more substantial reason than just distrust.

Eh...really that's only in comparison to demons and each other. Not other humans or hunters. Two superhuman characters fighting supernatural creatures puts them all on the same playing field.

As far as other adversaries or hunters, Dean easily put Gordon down or outfoxed Henrickson. Heck, Sam took out two swat team members. :eek: Barehanded. Double eek! :eek: :eek:

Jo only got the slip on Dean because he was in a jovial non serious mood. He wasn't trying to fight. While Bobby and Ellen have both been parental figures that they haven't been trying to stand up to.

Uhm, Gordon easily got the drop on Dean in 'Hunted' and would have sniper killed Sam if Dean hadn't been there to prevent it or blown him up if Ava hadn't warned him. The Benders took out Sam without a problem in the first place and Dean as well. The good folks from Burkitsville had no problem capturing Dean either. It's all very situational and I honestly think that given their training it is reasonable that they get the upper hand with other human adversaries eventually.

Dean&Sam outfoxed Henrickson in 'Nightshifter', but in FSB it was Deacon who got them out and the lawyer who prevented them from getting caught again and in TUS Dean got arrested and was nearly shot. No way to weasel out hadn't Detective Ballard come around to their PoV. And Dean did try to stand up to Ellen in Simon Said and she didn't let him bullshit her and he complied, not happy, but he did it.

The whole point of their education was being able to fly under the radar, to equip them with any means to evade capturing and stay alive against supernatural creatures, creatures that have superpowers. So I don't find it astonishing that they manage to do that most of the time against normal humans, but the show definitely shows that they are vulnerable and make mistakes as well.

If you at one point believed I was being exclusive then you really don't know me at all. I was merely pointing out a trend that I had found which resonated personally with me.

Hehe nah, I was just teasing you. It's just that I think common interests are a matter of mind and not of age. I have friends whose age range goes from 22-60 and I bonded with these people over different interests. Music or movies are not age specific, fandoms are neither. It may be more probable that you meet people who know the same specifics like you in a certain age, but I can connect with a movie fan no matter if he saw the exact same movies as I did or not.

[Foolish Me]

I think the addition of two new hunters will be very good for Supernatural. The core of this show, to me, has alway been about the personal struggles of the two brothers, not a world wide epic battle. Opening the gates at the end of season two released, what looked to me, like hundreds of demons. It would be too much to expect the Winchester brothers to track down all these demons themselves, and would cheapen the theme of two men, doing their own small part to change their own lives, and others lives along the way, if they are expected to be the saviors of the earth in a "war" between good and evil. If they don't try to shoehorn these new characters in, and give them personalities more dynamic than cardboard, I think two female hunters could be a good contrast and comedic foil for the Winchesters.

Plus, in No Exit, Dean did say that women could do the job. Let's see a little more women hunting skills than sitting around as bait.

[Ehlwyen]

Someone quoted this at another board.

DSinLA at TWOP has more info about the new two female demon hunters. She doesn't know in how much episodes they'll play.

Here the description:

Bela: 20-30. Beautiful and sexy, she's a woman without a conscience. A mercenary in the supernatural world. She is cocky, confident, mercurial and very funny. Actress must possess physical prowess, plus submit all ethnicities. Series regular.

Ruby: 20- lat 20's. Beautiful and sexy, mysterious and quiet. She's an enigmatic demon hunter. She is a most brutal, ruthless hunter, in fact she's better hunter than Sam and Dean. Series regular.

Okay. I think these are really cool descriptions. But paper doesn't translate to magic. What it really comes down to is that good charismatic actresses are found.

Jo is really nice, but therein was her inherent shortcoming. I think she would have worked better if she had some type of edge to her. The show really needs some dangerous women.

[Foolish Me]

DSinLA at TWOP has more info about the new two female demon hunters. She doesn't know in how much episodes they'll play.

Here the description:

Bela: 20-30. Beautiful and sexy, she's a woman without a conscience. A mercenary in the supernatural world. She is cocky, confident, mercurial and very funny. Actress must possess physical prowess, plus submit all ethnicities. Series regular.

Ruby: 20- lat 20's. Beautiful and sexy, mysterious and quiet. She's an enigmatic demon hunter. She is a most brutal, ruthless hunter, in fact she's better hunter than Sam and Dean. Series regular.

That's what I'm talking about! Fantastic descriptions! That's what I want my obituary to read like when I die. I don't see both these characters as being love interests for the brothers, just people who will challenge them or help them as long as their lives converge. Definitely different descriptions than the character of Jo; good actress, but I would not describe Alonna Tal as having physical prowess. At least they're trying something different this season.

[Ehlwyen]

Okay, I can't hold it in any longer. I think this is the coolest theory about one of the girls. I saw it last night and tried to sit quietly, but after seeing the descs I am really blown away about how emotional and paralleling and tragic it would be. Now if only SN has this same idea.

Do I spoiler theories in this thread?

Spoiler:

I'm hearing people suggest that one of the hunters will be Steve Wandell's daughter. (The hunter that possessed!Sam killed in BUABS.) Since she was apparently in college last season from the letter that Sam read, this would most likely mean she be the younger one.

Wow. The tragicness of Sam and Dean having started this journey because their own mother was killed. Now to know that they in turn have brought someone else into this life by killing her father. *shudders*

On the plus side, maybe we'll finally find out about those underwater pajamas that dad sent her!!! LOL. Yep, this sounds like good stuff to me with all the guilt on Sam and Dean's side. They have always been on the sympathetic side being only involved because of their mom. It will be interesting for them to take another side where they are less the sympathetic and innocent wayward sons.

Personally, if they don't use this storyline, I think the show will have failed themselves by missing a very interesting continuity.

I'm really setting myself up for a fall in September, when the actresses that are hired aren't that engaging. I can't win.

[EndersWrath]

I really never understood the hate on Jo. Alona Tal is an amazing actress and pulled off the part very well. Was it just because she was a potential love interest for one of the boys? Perish the thought. I mean as long as it doesn't take away from the overall theme of the show and the boys travelling around killing baddies, I honestly do not see the point in some fans getting their panies in a bunch over something that we don't even know that much about. I have learned the hard way that that is not the way to do things through VM, because sometimes (though not all the time) you will be surprised and just look like a dumbass.

I mean yeah it is awesome that a show can thrive like it does with only two main characters, and I really am hoping that these two new girls are like MAIN characters, but I wouldn't mind if they were regulars, as in every other episode. As long as they don't take away from what this show is all about (in a nutshell: two boys on a quest) I am all for it.

In the real world these boys are gonna have love interests and for the writers to not even use that storyline whether we like it or not would cheat us don't you think? I mean lets make this supernatural thriller as real as we can!

[Cori]

Okay, I can't hold it in any longer. I think this is the coolest theory about one of the girls. I saw it last night and tried to sit quietly, but after seeing the descs I am really blown away about how emotional and paralleling and tragic it would be. Now if only SN has this same idea.

Do I spoiler theories in this thread?

Spoiler:

I'm hearing people suggest that one of the hunters will be Steve Wandell's daughter. (The hunter that possessed!Sam killed in BUABS.) Since she was apparently in college last season from the letter that Sam read, this would most likely mean she be the younger one.

Wow. The tragicness of Sam and Dean having started this journey because their own mother was killed. Now to know that they in turn have brought someone else into this life by killing her father. *shudders*

On the plus side, maybe we'll finally find out about those underwater pajamas that dad sent her!!! LOL. Yep, this sounds like good stuff to me with all the guilt on Sam and Dean's side. They have always been on the sympathetic side being only involved because of their mom. It will be interesting for them to take another side where they are less the sympathetic and innocent wayward sons.

Personally, if they don't use this storyline, I think the show will have failed themselves by missing a very interesting continuity.

I'm really setting myself up for a fall in September, when the actresses that are hired aren't that engaging. I can't win.

OMG Lyn! :eek:

Spoiler:

You are right, that would be absolutely awesome! Did fans bring up this theory or is there any spoiler out there that indicates that this might actually happen? *is all excited by this theory*

Anyway I agree, the tragic parallels would be just great. I can already see Sam being completely angsty when he finds out who this girl is and who her father was. And when Sam is hurting so is Dean. Wow I really hope that the writers use this storyline!

As for the spoilers about the two female hunters: I'm not contrary to this idea at all. As one of the few people who always said there should be more women on the show, who am I to turn down this new concept? It does bug me a bit though that it says that they will be regulars, I think recurring characters would have been better. I just hope that they will cast actresses who have good chemistry with Jensen and Jared, not necessarily in a romantic way, but also in a friendship way. But anyway, I'm excited about seeing Sam and Dean interact with other hunters, be they male or female.

I really never understood the hate on Jo. Alona Tal is an amazing actress and pulled off the part very well. Was it just because she was a potential love interest for one of the boys? Perish the thought. I mean as long as it doesn't take away from the overall theme of the show and the boys travelling around killing baddies, I honestly do not see the point in some fans getting their panies in a bunch over something that we don't even know that much about.

What he said!

[galathea]

Okay, I can't hold it in any longer. I think this is the coolest theory about one of the girls. I saw it last night and tried to sit quietly, but after seeing the descs I am really blown away about how emotional and paralleling and tragic it would be. Now if only SN has this same idea.

Do I spoiler theories in this thread?

Spoiler:

I'm hearing people suggest that one of the hunters will be Steve Wandell's daughter. (The hunter that possessed!Sam killed in BUABS.) Since she was apparently in college last season from the letter that Sam read, this would most likely mean she be the younger one.

Wow. The tragicness of Sam and Dean having started this journey because their own mother was killed. Now to know that they in turn have brought someone else into this life by killing her father. *shudders*

On the plus side, maybe we'll finally find out about those underwater pajamas that dad sent her!!! LOL. Yep, this sounds like good stuff to me with all the guilt on Sam and Dean's side. They have always been on the sympathetic side being only involved because of their mom. It will be interesting for them to take another side where they are less the sympathetic and innocent wayward sons.

Personally, if they don't use this storyline, I think the show will have failed themselves by missing a very interesting continuity.

Okay, now I think that would be a really awesome idea, plus fantastic story continuation over from S2. I would be all for that. The problem that bugs me most is that they are cast as regulars. Correct me if I am wrong, but that would mean that they are in the credits in every episode, like Jensen and Jared and that they are in nearly every episode. Now, how would they achieve that AND go on with their usual structure of the show?

Either the girls would have to travel with the boys, which, frankly I don't see at all or they have to split screentime between the boys and this new duo, which pisses me off. And why, why does one of them need to be a better hunter than Sam and Dean, why can't they just be equal?! Geesh, that annoys me beyond anything! I see no reason to undermine your main characters in order to push new characters up.

I just want to remind all of you VM fans how extremely pissed off you all were when they changed major aspects of the show in order to gain new audience. It didn't do the show any favours, they lost their loyal fanbase and it sped up VM's demise. Under no circumstances do I want to see this with SN. This whole set-up just sounds like a network decision, so I can't help it but I am extremely wary of this additions.

I am so completely annoyed with the call for the stereotypical kick-ass female characters that every time this comes up it automatically raises my resistance. What's wrong with a show that's mostly consisting of males? Has every show have to have a 08/15 formula: kick-ass leading males, kick-ass leading females, romantic interests, every ethnicity, religion, minority group positively integrated? I am just generally annoyed by meddling with good concepts, that doesn't mean though that I won't reserve my judgement for these characters until I saw how they play out on screen.


And another spoiler that came out today, one that makes me absolutely happy for a change:

Jim Beaver (who plays Bobby Singer) has just told me that he has been called back for epiodes 1,3 and 4 (don't know about episode 2) of the new season and that he starts shooting on July 16th.

[Llywela]

God, how much do I hate that there are spoilers already! I let myself be spoiled for the start of last season, but by mid-season was completely unspoiled and managed to remain so right up till the end.

I was weak and read this particular spoiler, and am annoyed with myself because I think I'll enjoy next season a lot more if I haven't spent all summer tying myself in knots wondering how it'll all pan out! I think it's important to have faith in the writers, because they haven't let us down yet - even Jo, who was so massively hated by fans before she'd even appeared on-screen, is a likeable character when viewed objectively.

So...we'll just have to see how things go, I suppose!

[Cori]

Okay, now I think that would be a really awesome idea, plus fantastic story continuation over from S2. I would be all for that. The problem that bugs me most is that they are cast as regulars. Correct me if I am wrong, but that would mean that they are in the credits in every episode, like Jensen and Jared and that they are in nearly every episode. Now, how would they achieve that AND go on with their usual structure of the show?

I agree, the fact that they will be regulars bugs me as well. I can't imagine having anyone else in the main credits besides Jensen and Jared. Plus as much as I'd like for Sam and Dean to interact with some new characters, I don't want to see these new characters in every episode. I want there to be enough space for episodes focused just on the brothers or focused on Sam alone or Dean alone. I guess we'll just have to have faith in Kripke & co. that they will find the right balance.

I just want to remind all of you VM fans how extremely pissed off you all were when they changed major aspects of the show in order to gain new audience. It didn't do the show any favours, they lost their loyal fanbase and it sped up VM's demise. Under no circumstances do I want to see this with SN. This whole set-up just sounds like a network decision, so I can't help it but I am extremely wary of this additions.

I get what you are saying here and yes in VM's case, things definitely did not work out. However, I think Kripke & co. have a much deeper understanding and love for their characters than RT ever did. Plus they understand the concepts of character development, character continuation and storyline continuation (something RT clearly lacks). So I'll trust them to ensure that Sam and Dean's characters won't suffer due to the new characters. I don't think change is necessarily a bad thing, it just depends how that change is brought about and that it doesn't upset the core construct of the show beyond recognition (as it did in VM's case). Anyway I'm trying to keep an open mind about these new characters and to trust the writers that they know what they are doing.

And yeah the spoiler about Bobby makes me very happy as well!

[galathea]

I get what you are saying here and yes in VM's case, things definitely did not work out. However, I think Kripke & co. have a much deeper understanding and love for their characters than RT ever did. Plus they understand the concepts of character development, character continuation and storyline continuation (something RT clearly lacks). So I'll trust them to ensure that Sam and Dean's characters won't suffer due to the new characters. I don't think change is necessarily a bad thing, it just depends how that change is brought about and that it doesn't upset the core construct of the show beyond recognition (as it did in VM's case). Anyway I'm trying to keep an open mind about these new characters and to trust the writers that they know what they are doing.

Ohh, don't get me wrong! I totally agree, the character handling and understanding of these writers is amazing and I don't really expect that to change any time soon, given that the writers stay the same. I don't worry about them screwing up the character integrity. It's more that the addition of 2 regulars can clearly interfere with the basic set-up of the show, 2 boys with a personal agenda travelling around America, with a clear focus on these two characters, their relationship and their story.

I was more trying to compare it with how they suddenly tried to drop the huge seasonal mystery in VM, which was a core element of that show. I am all for bringing in recurring characters (especially if the storyline would be as amazing as Lyn's spoiler suggests), but not if it is suddenly the Sam&Dean and Bela&Ruby show.

[Ehlwyen]

Oooh, I love to see all the comments in here!! Too bad my waking hours aren't coinciding with everyone.

Unfortunately Cori, that is only someone's suggestion. It makes such simple perfect sense that I'm now afraid that isn't true and has been overlooked. *sigh*

Particularly considering the rumors going around now that the casting of two huntresses are only because of network pressure. Bad enough, but worse considering the other rumor that Kripke is still revolting against the inclusion of the girls. It's nearly impossible to change the network's "mind" (in quotes because there is definitely no real thinking to ever come from a network), so the best thing is to write in an interesting plotline (such as the one above) and find a way to kill them by season's end.

While I'm not opposed to new reoccurring characters, having regulars, and being required to appear in every episode adds a rigidity that this show never had. The show was always very easy to get into as a new viewer because there were only 2 characters to keep up with. Adding new main characters really complicates things and takes it away from new or casual viewers. (Why god why don't they let me run a network?)

I think it is hard to come up with a completely original character from just a couple lines. Pretty much every type of character is a stereotype. Kick ass girl, nerdy girl, what else do we have besides just an average girl? There are rumors that one of these girls will be evil or bad so maybe that adds a new dimension?

VM did not go wrong by adding more characters which is fairly innocuous as far as a change in a show's direction. VM felt compelled to outsmart itself each season and reached a point where things became overdone and almost ridiculous. VM also changed its style and became more soap then mystery. I believe it possible that SN can continue as itself even with the girls, but it will take a lot of effort, care, and ingenuity from the writers and producers. Heaven help them to be able to step back and see where the show has come from and where it needs to go without external forces pulling them in their own selfish directions.

Joe, the thing I disliked most about Jo was that she was so little, delicate, and gentle. She really did not appear like a hunter or a girl that sleeps with knives. She didn't look strong enough or have an athletic stance or movement. The fact that she was also well known in many people's minds as the meek Meg on VM also did not help her on screen conceptualization.





EDIT: Apparently sides are out at nowcasting.com if people are interested. That's just too much spoiling for me.

[Wolfie Gilmore]

I'm excited at the prospect of some female characters. When I'm caught up on season 2, I'll definitely be watching next season. Woo!