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    Well, in media articles, Heroes has always made the statement that they're not afraid to kill heroes along the way. But I think the show has never quite fulfilled that promise or threat. Usually uninteresting or small role characters are ones to die. Like Hiro's father in the premiere. I hated for him to die, but he wasn't integral to the story and his death didn't really change the show course. Or a couple weeks ago, HRG was murdered but the show brought him back by the end of the next episode segment. Thank goodness. I seriously might not have come back to Heroes after eliminating such an amazing character. But I also feel the uneasiness of the show not having the guts to make bold decisions and stick with them.

    Next week's preview said that two Heroes will fall. I'd like to know which character's you think may die, would like to see die, or would quit watching the show if they died. If you do know for sure, please spoiler tag. Also feel free to share your opinions on the deaths of other heroes along the way. Who were you glad to see die? Who's deaths help propel the story arc's along in a convincing manner.

    I have a strong feeling it will be the twins since neither character has added much to the core of the show. But I hope advertising the gravity of two heroes falling the show will not eliminate two characters that I can barely remember their names.

    Besides, HRG, I'd really hate to Elle or Sark die. They are also very rich characters not bound by normal moral codes. They keep the show unbalanced and unpredictable. And I do really like Monica's heart and determination.

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    The reason Adam lives outside ordinary moral codes is because... he's evil But, like Sylar, he's a *good* villain, so I don't think I'd want him just done away with so quickly -- but I'd pretty much always prefer a bad guy get killed than a good guy.

    I wouldn't want Maya or Monica to get killed because... they are no and still clearly have stories. I want Monica around because she is... well, not Captain Awesome, but Lieutenant Awesome. Maya I'd want around just because they've invested * a lot* of time to her arc and it would really just kinda waste it to kill her off.

    Elle... no way. Kristen Bell absolutely shot some electricity (heh) into "Heroes" this season, and she can't bail now. Must have Elle around, especially if she's going to start examining her existence under Bob's thumb.

    If I were going to guess, I'd say West is toast, doing something heroic for Claire, and Mohinder (even though he's technically not one of them).
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    • #3
      Oh yeah, I forgot about West. And for the same reason I hate to see Maya die (I forgot we saw Alejandro on the floor the other day), I'm not really interested in seeing him die. Although both characters mostly made me yawn when onscreen.

      It feels cheating for the show to want us to care about new characters if they are just introduced to be eliminated several episodes later. They basically appear as "red shirts" to keep the body count up but not kill original characters. For a show so fantastical, it is wise to have at least a few main character deaths along the way so as to add realism and depth and attach viewer's emotions.

      Elle is definitely the best of the new characters and the fact that Bob is her dad has had me squeeing beyond belief. Bob's pretty cool and I'd hate to see him go as well as the Company would really die without him.

      As much as I want Mohinder to die, I think he may be the safest of them all. His character's blind determination without considering other points of view means that there are a lot of possible ways for his storyline to go (and annoy me further). As well as he's the only person with any type of genetic/science background to study these mutations that lead to "heroism". LOL! Is there a better name for their condition?

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      • #4
        We could take a page out of the Marvel universe and call them "metahumans", or even "mutants" (since it's that corner of the Marvel universe sky the "Heroes" mythology would appear to be closest connected to), which are just a subset of "metahumans" in those terms.

        I don't like using "heroes" blanketly, either -- mostly because few, if any, of them really seem to be. Micah is the one who really seems to "get it", and Monica appears to as well, and DL did. But even Peter seems to mostly just go with the flow. I'd *really* like to see some indication that some of our nominal heroes are going to actually approach the concept of trying to *be* superheroes. Stop a bank robbery, Peter!
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        • #5
          Originally posted by KingofCretins View Post
          Elle... no way. Kristen Bell absolutely shot some electricity (heh) into "Heroes" this season, and she can't bail now. Must have Elle around, especially if she's going to start examining her existence under Bob's thumb.
          Exactly! They can't just introduce such an interesting layer of Elle's character and than kill her off. I really hope that we will see Elle rebel against Bob and question the way she has been raised. But I agree, I don't think they would kill Elle off, Tim Kring is not stupid, he knows what he has with Kristen Bell. Plus I think I have read
          Spoiler:
          somewhere that Kristen Bell is contracted for at least 8 or 9 episodes this season.


          I don't think that I would stop watching the show but if they killed off both Peter and Nathan, I would have serious issues with the show so they'd better not do that. But since both of their character arcs haven't been fully explored yet this season and since they still haven't met up with each other and had their big reuniting scene, I doubt that it's Peter and/or Nathan.

          I also wouldn't mind for Mohinder to be killed off. Not only is he boring, now he is also annoying. I'm also not a big Claire fan but since it's pretty much impossible to kill her, I guess that's not gonna happen.

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          • #6
            According to Kristin on E!Online...

            Spoiler:
            Sylar's gonna kill a hero. A non-hero's gonna kill a non-hero. And Sylar's gonna kill another hero.


            However, I think she may be wrongly informed...

            Spoiler:
            Considering Sylar just killed Alejandro in 2.10 (Sylar kills a hero) and Mohinder killed Noah in 2.09 (non-hero killed a non-hero). If the first two deaths are those two that already happened, and if she's accurate about the deaths in all, then Sylar's gonna kill someone else in 2.11 - and my money's on Maya or Mohinder.


            As for who I want to die?

            -West. The boy LOOKS psychotic even when his character is doing the right thing and actually being interesting. I like the character a lot more but the actor is horrible most of the times and can't ever get rid of that wild "I'ma-gonna-stalk-you" look from his eyes. He needs to go.

            -Micah's-hideous-cousin-with-the-ginormous-mouth. I forget the boy's name. But I strongly dislike him...

            -Mohinder. I've grown tired of him. Even if he's redeemed himself somewhat, I just don't enjoy his storylines unless some other character is involved.

            -Claire. I dislike her but I mainly want her dead purely for shock factor. No one would see it coming...except me...muwahahaha.

            -Hiro. Again with the shock factor. And the "Oh! I MUST go back in time!" thing is getting old - especially when his reasoning for going back in time is confusing, if not non-existent (IE: Hiro proclaiming that he must go back in time to the 70's to window-stalk Mindy O'Dell...ermm...Victoria Pratt and Papa Sulu...ermm...Kaito). And it's about time we got new "faces" of Heroes. Cycle them out. Especially when their storylines just haven't been that interesting this season...

            Who I DON'T want dead...

            -NIKI! If they kill her off it'll be too predictable considering that the trailer for 2.11 shows her running through a burning building and then showing Micah and Monica going all "OMG!" when said building explodes. Plus, I'll cry. Because I absolutely love Ali Larter and the character. If only they'd give her a great storyline...

            -Elle. Kristen Bell. Enough said.

            -Peter. Milo's sexy.

            -Matt. He's gotten much much MUCH more interesting this season and doesn't deserve to die. Especially since he's got Molly to take care of.

            -Mr. Bennet. Obviously.

            -Nathan. Because Adrian Pasdar is an amazing actor and has fantastic chemistry with Ali Larter and Milo Ventimiglia and Greg Grunberg. He belongs on this show. And he's the definition of a wayward hero who was thrown into the role of being a savior. It just works really well.

            But that's most like all just me. I just fear for Niki because they never give her a good storyline and, when they do, they never follow-through with it by actually having her show up in an episode for longer than two or three scenes (with the exception of 2.07 and 2.08).

            And on a random, yet somewhat relevant note: How would I give Niki a good, compelling storyline and a reason to keep her alive? *Spoilered just because most people don't care* And if anybody steals this idea, I shall hunt you down and stab you in your sleep. Trust me.

            Spoiler:
            Separate Niki and Jessica. Have Jessica really be alive somewhere, possibly working with the Company and Bob, but give her her own power and have her be more vicious than Niki's mental-version of Jessica. Give Niki a REAL enemy aside from herself and let us look back at her family life and whatnot. Plus, people seem to like Jessica more than Niki...
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            • #7
              Wow... Heather wants the Petrellis to survive. DUN!

              I like the idea that Niki is going to step up to save Monica and Micah, and finally start to do the hero thing. She is, after all, the one with THE archetypal superhero power. I have this lovely mental picture of her in front of that van the way the headlights revealed Illyria in "Not Fade Away"

              Killing Hiro or Claire would be VERY bold, very ballsy, especially entering an indefinite hiatus. They are the iconic faces of the show. Especially Claire -- she's America's teenage daughter and high school crush at the same time. Saving the Cheerleader tapped the zeitgeist because of her All-American, I-love-my-family-and-my-pink-Sidekick neo-classical modern girl image. Kring would be risking breaking trust with his audience in a BIG way. But, I could see Hiro going down. I wouldn't like it, but, whoa... bold. I'm not sure I would like that it would mean no more Ando, though, because Ando is awesome.
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              • #8
                Replying to Heather's spoilers:

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                Or Molly. Sylar might use it as collateral to get Mohinder to do what he wants. And he can't kill Mohinder, cause he's not a hero.


                I doubt that they'll kill Niki, because then only Micah will be there to carry their story....and Monica. Oh, no. Niki could die! I'm scared now.

                I don't want Nathan, Peter, Matt, Molly, Niki, Micah, Monica, Claire, Mr. Bennet, Elle, or Bob to die. I know....a lot. Oh, also, Adam. If they can keep a dumb ass villain like Sylar alive, then why not the good villain, Adam?

                I would like to see Maya die, Mohinder die, and maybe Hiro or Claire. Oh, and West. Not so much Claire. Hiro because he's now, not cool. And if he dies, hell more Ando.

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                • #9
                  I know for sure I don't want Elle or Monica to die. They are really strong characters, but where the last episode left Monica there is a chance she is in danger... It would suck if she was killed cause she is a really strong addition to the show, and nice alternative to the Claire character.
                  Same with Elle... Well, just because Kristen Bell rocks and I think she really helped bring the show back to life after the first few floppy episodes.

                  Niki I don't want to be killed... Though it would be interesting to kill Niki and have Jessica come back. I don't think they'll get rid of Ali Larter, cause again, another highlight.

                  Maybe they'll blow off Claire's head...

                  I dunno about Maya, yeah I wouldn't mind, but I dunno if Sylar will kill her. Maybe Molly, cause Molly bugs the hell out of me v.v...

                  I know they are trying to make up for their slow start, but they always do this. They've killed a few in season 1, but we knew Issac was going to die, it was seen in one of the first episodes. And what's her name (the non-hero girl...) who was shot, though a big shock, it was kinda expected since her story line was going no where.

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                  • #10
                    So, I went into the K-Site forums and found a post regarding Heroes, I don't know how true, if at all, these spoiler are, but they don't sound far fetched.

                    MAJOR (UNCONFIRMED) SPOILERS:
                    Spoiler:
                    - Look for Nathan on becoming sick. How sick, how severe, or how minor, not giving out that info. (after his speech)
                    - Someone named HYPE will bring down the restaurant with Monica in it. He will set a fire to this building. Ultimately, Niki will sacrifice herself for Monica.
                    - Elle will be the one to bring down Sylar this season and emerge as the ?Hero.'

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Thomas View Post
                      So, I went into the K-Site forums and found a post regarding Heroes, I don't know how true, if at all, these spoiler are, but they don't sound far fetched.

                      MAJOR (UNCONFIRMED) SPOILERS:
                      Spoiler:
                      - Look for Nathan on becoming sick. How sick, how severe, or how minor, not giving out that info. (after his speech)
                      - Someone named HYPE will bring down the restaurant with Monica in it. He will set a fire to this building. Ultimately, Niki will sacrifice herself for Monica.
                      - Elle will be the one to bring down Sylar this season and emerge as the ?Hero.'
                      Spoiler:

                      I would love for Elle to bring down Sylar, I think that her character kicks ass, and can't wait to see how it develops throughout the season, and I especially need to see how her relationship with her father is going to change and if she's going to leave the company or not. *gets all giddy* I hope Elle gets a nice season long episode arc, AND that Kristen stays on for more than 9 episodes, ... and being in season 3 would be an added bonus!!!

                      NOOO not Nathan! I love Nathan and would be truly upset to see him go, so I hope that he doesn't die. Although in the future we did hear that he was one of the first to die in the first wave of the virus, so when I read this that was the first thing that came to mind. *sobs* I'd be gutted if I lost my Nathan.

                      I know a lot of people on here love Nikki, but I'm only just coming around to liking her character this season. I kind of liked Jessica in season one, but wasn't overly fond of the whole Nikki/Jessica thing in general. But, I have to admit I'd be sad to see her go,


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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Thomas View Post
                        So, I went into the K-Site forums and found a post regarding Heroes, I don't know how true, if at all, these spoiler are, but they don't sound far fetched.

                        MAJOR (UNCONFIRMED) SPOILERS:
                        Spoiler:
                        - Look for Nathan on becoming sick. How sick, how severe, or how minor, not giving out that info. (after his speech)
                        - Someone named HYPE will bring down the restaurant with Monica in it. He will set a fire to this building. Ultimately, Niki will sacrifice herself for Monica.
                        - Elle will be the one to bring down Sylar this season and emerge as the ?Hero.'
                        Spoiler:
                        I hate your spoilers Nathan rules and we've had so little of him this season! AND NIKI! NO! I LOVE NIKI! SHE CAN'T DIE!


                        I watched the Sneak Peek for the finale here. And, the last scene was....

                        Spoiler:
                        showing Adam and Peter trying to break into a vault or something....not in the spot that Hiro was. So, what does this mean? Peter still trusts Adam, so did Hiro die? Something happened to him! And in the preview, you saw a shocked Adam looking at the ground, and a very serious Peter say "Let's go destroy the virus." Did Peter kill Hiro to "save" the world?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Thomas View Post
                          So, I went into the K-Site forums and found a post regarding Heroes, I don't know how true, if at all, these spoiler are, but they don't sound far fetched.

                          MAJOR (UNCONFIRMED) SPOILERS:
                          Spoiler:
                          - Look for Nathan on becoming sick. How sick, how severe, or how minor, not giving out that info. (after his speech)
                          - Someone named HYPE will bring down the restaurant with Monica in it. He will set a fire to this building. Ultimately, Niki will sacrifice herself for Monica.
                          - Elle will be the one to bring down Sylar this season and emerge as the ?Hero.'
                          I need to rant.

                          MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR ! I beg you to not read this rant unless you're fine with being spoiled on a few major major major plot-points.

                          Spoiler:
                          I'm not that upset about Niki dying. Honestly? I'm not. They've given her NOTHING to do except for 2.07 and 2.08. Her storyline's done because the writers haven't felt the need to expand it. I've accepted this and think it's better to let her go than to get all worked up that they're not giving her a storyline. Granted, I AM depressed that I'm losing my favorite character, I've accepted it.

                          Now, what I'm mainly pissed about is that it seems like she's the only one dying and staying dead - unless Nathan ends up dead, too. If he does? I will be furious with Tim Kring. Not because I love Nathan and Niki, but because his definition of "cleaning" up the mistakes of season 2 is the shittiest definition of the word ever. Killing off two loved, major characters from season 1 and yet keeping every new character (except Alejandro) they introduced is retarded and a lie to the fans.

                          Basically, if Nathan and Niki die, I will only have 3 real reasons to watch the show - Elle, Matt, and Mr. Bennet. And if those three go? I may go with them because the show is relying too much on shock factor and not on quality writing.

                          Seriously.

                          I went on KryptonSite and read the rest of the spoilers for this episode (skimmed, actually) and, quality wise? It's shit. It's all excitement and suspense and shocking but it's not high quality. It's just...it builds things up and then it just...blah. It sucks. I'm trying not to give TOO much away but...seriously. I'm not excited anymore. At all.

                          And Sylar? Sylar dying AGAIN? Seriously? I'm sorry, but that's even worse than killing Niki, for me. Especially since we all know Sylar will be back after Star Trek wraps up. You wanna talk about reusing plots - especially when people complained about Niki getting a third personality in "Four Months Ago...?"

                          BLAH! This sucks. I've been trying to digest all this and just...I can't. It's really extremely horribly disappointing.
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                          • #14
                            Any chance this thread might actually get back on a speculative kinda vibe, or should I just give up on it?
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by KingofCretins View Post
                              Any chance this thread might actually get back on a speculative kinda vibe, or should I just give up on it?
                              It's still speculation considering the spoilers are unconfirmed and I know I was just processing them and speculating about what will happen next. But I still don't reccomend anyone read my post unless they're fine with being spoiled.

                              But I'm just saying: it's still technically speculation about character deaths.
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                              • #16
                                Well, Dan, we have spoilers

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                                Heather, is there anyway you could provide a link to the rest of the spoilers? I can't stand not seeing them, I want to see them to see if I think it sounds crappy now, too.

                                But, I agree. They have NOTHING for Nathan, and they expect us to accept his death? BLAH!

                                But, ya know, Thomas did say they were not confirmed.

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                                • #17
                                  Eh. I'd just been enjoying it on a "let's guess what we think is going to happen" level. Maybe I'll start a 2.10 thread, since we never did, actually.
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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by BlasterBoy View Post
                                    Well, Dan, we have spoilers

                                    Spoiler:
                                    Heather, is there anyway you could provide a link to the rest of the spoilers? I can't stand not seeing them, I want to see them to see if I think it sounds crappy now, too.

                                    But, I agree. They have NOTHING for Nathan, and they expect us to accept his death? BLAH!

                                    But, ya know, Thomas did say they were not confirmed.
                                    It's all confusing... (Spoilers wrapped in Speculation.)
                                    Spoiler:
                                    Kirsten @ E! said there's three deaths, but one is reversed, one sticks, and the other isn't confirmed. She also said the one that is reversed is someone that hasn't been well received by the fans. It was also said Sylar shots HER.

                                    But, there's some video of them shooting in which Sylar shoots at Elle. Meanwhile, in the same scene, Maya is sleeping and Mohinder is giving her a shot. So, maybe Kristin was wrong once again and Sylar shoots Elle and Mohinder heals her. Making her the reversed death. Though, it could be Maya who got shot and Mohinder is giving her Claire's blood? Ether way. that's a lot of shooting.

                                    Niki could be the one that sticks. BUT they could possible do something with Jessica or Gina. Keeping Ali Larter on the show. It'd still be killing a main character.

                                    Nathan becoming ill could be the cliffhanger death, meaning we wouldn't know until Volume 3.

                                    The video can be seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHO5-dBdMDY It's basically just them filming, but there's spoiler.
                                    Originally posted by KingofCretins View Post
                                    Eh. I'd just been enjoying it on a "let's guess what we think is going to happen" level. Maybe I'll start a 2.10 thread, since we never did, actually.
                                    I still speculation, just some possible facts are being used.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by Thomas View Post
                                      It's all confusing... (Spoilers wrapped in Speculation.)
                                      Spoiler:
                                      Kirsten @ E! said there's three deaths, but one is reversed, one sticks, and the other isn't confirmed. She also said the one that is reversed is someone that hasn't been well received by the fans. It was also said Sylar shots HER.

                                      But, there's some video of them shooting in which Sylar shoots at Elle. Meanwhile, in the same scene, Maya is sleeping and Mohinder is giving her a shot. So, maybe Kristin was wrong once again and Sylar shoots Elle and Mohinder heals her. Making her the reversed death. Though, it could be Maya who got shot and Mohinder is giving her Claire's blood? Ether way. that's a lot of shooting.

                                      Niki could be the one that sticks. BUT they could possible do something with Jessica or Gina. Keeping Ali Larter on the show. It'd still be killing a main character.

                                      Nathan becoming ill could be the cliffhanger death, meaning we wouldn't know until Volume 3.

                                      The video can be seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHO5-dBdMDY It's basically just them filming, but there's spoiler.
                                      I still speculation, just some possible facts are being used.
                                      Spoiler:
                                      From what I read, Sylar shoots Maya and then Mohinder injects the magic blood into her and brings her back to life. So Elle will just be the one who takes out Sylar.

                                      As for Ali Larter staying on the show...They can't kill Niki and have Gina come back. Gina and Niki are the same person. The only way is if they have Jessica really be alive and have Ali Larter play Jessica after Niki's death. OR maybe Niki's death is just something we think is supposed to happen but she's not really dead? I dunno.

                                      I agree about Nathan, though.


                                      *Sigh* I don't enjoy this. We still have 4 and a half more days until 2.11 rolls around
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                                      • #20
                                        I'm beginning to think the "deaths" are just BS. I think it'll turn out to be as big of a "bloodbath" as 'How To Stop An Exploding Man.' Remember how there was supposed to be multiple deaths and no one died? I think there will just be several close calls.

                                        BTW,
                                        Spoiler:
                                        According to David Anders, he and Ali, only Ali was mentioned, just filmed a scene together. It was most likely one of the re-writes. But he said it was "her having a night terror."

                                        Could this be the start of Volume 3?

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