2.07 "Out of Time" Spoiler Discussion Thread

[KingofCretins]

Wow, absolutely awesome, essentially flawless episode.

Excellent wrap to the Hiro arc, and, unsurprisingly, yes... it really was important. I'm happy to have correctly called that Kensei was the killer/Adam, the mastermind and resident megalomaniac of the ElderHeroes. Just an awesome thing. I'm very impressed all the way around -- poor Hiro had to cut out his heart, by leaving Yaeko. This episode made the entire arc worth it.

In the present, a LOT of motion on the paintings, on the Company, and so on. At least one of the paintings actually happened tonight, and another was set up.

Poor Niki is apparently in deep trouble... and, now, so is Claire. Some people are probably going to be instantly steamed that Claire is a central figure in the threat to the world again, but, tough! They've been setting up the danger to her of being taken for experiments for pretty much the entire run of the show, so it's very well developed and believable development that that danger has world endangering risks.

Glad to see Matt stick it to his dad, who really is a truly frightening enemy. But, he got to save Molly, which is very cool.

I'm now a little confused -- did Peter actually get his memory back, or just understand that Angela is his mom? From the preview, it appears part of this process is that he got worked over by the Haitian, so can he even *get* his memory back? If not, lame, but still, good to see he has the mission. And I'm kinda glad they've sort of given him his own arc, because he is the Superhero, and he creates narrative problems like they had in the Matrix sequels -- it was hard to put the other characters in jeopardy if Neo was around, and it's hard to give these characters problems too hard to solve if Peter is around.

By the way, West is a sociopath, and I don't like him, I don't sympathize with him, and I think he's just an all around tool. Claire is right to be wary of her dad at this point, but there are better causes to fight for than the continued company of that loser.

[skinless]

I really liked this Episode. My favorite Part was West Finding out that HRG was Claires Dad. I Loved the Showdown Between Matt and His Dad. and I do Believe that Mohinder shouldnt of taken the Gun. Or since he Did he shouldve shot Bob after telling him he was Plotting against him. Cant wait for next week's Episode to Air

P.s. Really Loved the end of the Hiro Arc, Was genuinlly surprised to see Kensei was Adam Cant wait to see what Happens with it.

[Thomas]

I never understood what, "Save the Cheerleader, Save the World" really meant. I got that saving Claire was important in saving the world, but in 'How to Stop A Exploding Man,' when Claire didn't really save the world, I was confused, until now. The old tag line actually makes sense now that we know that Claire's, and possibly Adam's, blood can save the world.

I found Hiro and Kensei's storyline boring for most of this season, but in this episode, I got the same feeling that I get when I watch a season finale of Buffy, which was a very good thing. I'm glad that storyline ended on a good note.

Poor Caitlin, it's so freaky to think about. Peter left her in the future, and she's is now stuck there until Peter or Hiro can save her, or maybe until June 2008 since she'd really just be getting there, time travel is confusing.

All of the Matt stuff was interesting, I think it's cool that his power is evolving. I wonder if anyone else's will too. Though, we're starting to see more side's to Claire's ability.

I'm glad Niki is now apart of the story more. Last season she was apart of it, but now she's right in the middle of it.

[spidol]

I never understood what, "Save the Cheerleader, Save the World" really meant. I got that saving Claire was important in saving the world, but in 'How to Stop A Exploding Man,' when Claire didn't really save the world, I was confused, until now. The old tag line actually makes sense now that we know that Claire's, and possibly Adam's, blood can save the world.

They had to save claire so that Syler didn't get her healing power and so it was possible for Hiro to kill him (He didn't obviously but he did enough damage to Syler to let the saving happen). Ohhhhhh... I hadn't thought of the use of Adam's healing to save instead, thanks for that.

Very nice ending the the Hiro arc, I knew it would have to lead somewhere. I've been trying to convince my friend for ages that Adam (not that I called him that at the time) was going to be alive, though I thought that he was going to be the killer directly.

I don't think that it will be the doc that kills HRG, seems a little too obvious, I think that having Suresh with the gun and a shot HRG together is a red herring.

I haven't been a massive fan of Peter's arc but I am looking forward to things to do with adam.

I really want some more on The Haitian. Clearly he has something to do with Peter's amnesia. But the only people who seemed to know of peter's location are Bob (possibly meaning the company in general) and probably Adam. But I can't see what he would be doing with either of them. hmmmm.

No Micah or Monica

[BlasterBoy]

Holy moly.

This episode was awesome! 2.05 and this are really highlights for me! Matt's dad and Matt trapping his dad was great. I thought Matt learning this extra ability in, what, 30 minutes, was unrealistic, but was worth it for the scene to show that Matt was not afraid of his dad

Niki, how I love you. For the first time all season, I see you again. You are amazing. Her seeing DL and trying to kill Bob and giving Mohinder a beating ( ) was all great! And her giving herself the virus () was so her, unfortunately. Now I'm really scared that Niki will die, seeing as they haven't taken out a major character yet. I sure hope she doesn't and Claire will save her, and not be a dumbass

And, ahhhhh, Claire's going to save the world (if she's not a dumbass).

Adam is amazing! That shocker was great! And more Sark!? How fabulous! I want to see how Adam will manipulate Peter and how Peter will get Caitlin from the future.

The future was, unfortunately, not amazing, imo. But MamaPetrelli being remembered was awesome!

West is a crazy, stalker man whose making a show to make Claire believe that he is good and scared. Enough said.

Overall, loved the episode. Can't wait for more answers next week.

[Veverka]

Poor Niki is apparently in deep trouble... and, now, so is Claire. Some people are probably going to be instantly steamed that Claire is a central figure in the threat to the world again, but, tough! They've been setting up the danger to her of being taken for experiments for pretty much the entire run of the show, so it's very well developed and believable development that that danger has world endangering risks.

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Yes, and the show has heaps of diversity but it's raison d'etre is not to be a high school show, so there has to be a plotty reason for Claire to have such a big role...

I'm now a little confused -- did Peter actually get his memory back, or just understand that Angela is his mom? From the preview, it appears part of this process is that he got worked over by the Haitian, so can he even *get* his memory back?

Well, what I'm wondering, is what's Peter's mum's power anyway??? We don't know this yet, either, right? Maybe she's an anti-Haitian/Claude type person!!!

By the way, West is a sociopath, and I don't like him,

Agreed!!!!

Overall: super! That was tight.

[DigitalLeonardo]

Now I'm really scared that Niki will die, seeing as they haven't taken out a major character yet. I sure hope she doesn't and Claire will save her, and not be a dumbass

Well they have killed DL and Issac, so in all reality Niki could be next, but I have a feeling she won't. There is to much to explore with her. I was kinda mad DL was just fake, cause I thought from the promo that it would be SOOO cool if he was Niki's new Jessica.

I was really glad to see Niki punch Mohinder... He deserved it.

Adam is amazing! That shocker was great! And more Sark!? How fabulous! I want to see how Adam will manipulate Peter and how Peter will get Caitlin from the future.

God you are right! Watching Alias season 2 and 3 I am just in love with Sark's actor and I hope he is a bit better in the future then he was in the past. Which I am glad is over. Hiro seemed WAY to happy for JUST leaving the love of his life, didn't feel real.
Oh and I want Caitlin back as well! I hope they don't just keep her there and forget and kinda just write it out... That would be a waste.


OmG, is Claire not the most selfish girl in the world? Her entire family is at risk and she rather slut around with some boy? v.v that is why I like Monica, cause she actually is doing everything for her family and she will do anything.
I don't want Claire to be the "hero" of this story. She is just to preppy and so into herself its getting sick.
But I have to say her and HRG both have my cellphone XD except mine is green while Claire's was pink and HRG's was black. I was so happy when I saw the phone and the text graphic, cause I see it every day.

Matt getting a newish power felt very Charmed to me, which made me laugh. Again I don't like him and Molly, which is sad cause I love him on Alias, I just don't like him or his character on Heroes.

Next week looks like a bash! More KB XD!! (I think)

[NxD_Slayerette]

i practically died after watching this episode!!! it was IMMENSE!!! I loved it!!! i have to say i think its one of the best heroes episodes so far! i was like screaming at my computer screen while watching it!

but nikki giving herself the virus!!!!! i was like NOOOO because well she could die! and what about micha! and molly and matt! awwwww! genius that matt trapped his dad!

[omri]

Best episode yet, IMO. It was just so great// I was really shocked to see Kensi alive. And the envolvment of the virus was really shocking... But obvious cause they allways said "we have the cure! no one will get killed//". But overall a very good episode.

[NxD_Slayerette]

Best episode yet, IMO. It was just so great// I was really shocked to see Kensi alive. And the envolvment of the virus was really shocking... But obvious cause they allways said "we have the cure! no one will get killed//". But overall a very good episode.

yh i totally agree with u! best episde yet! and the bit with kensi being adam... well wouodlnt he age? or do u think he like hitch hiked a ride with hiro?

[KingofCretins]

I think it's most likely that Kensei's power of regeneration (and presumably Claire's) renders him effectively immortal.

[NxD_Slayerette]

I think it's most likely that Kensei's power of regeneration (and presumably Claire's) renders him effectively immortal.

But what about aging? its like a question Captain jack harkness asks on DR who! will i still age! lol, because kensei cant just stay at that age, and Claire.. its too perticualr

[Ehlwyen]

*falls to her knees* KEEENNNNNSSSEEEEEEEI!!!

Oh I knew you were coming to the present, but I believed you would come as an ally, piggybacking your way with Hiro. Instead, you live out the centuries fueled by bitter hatred from the supposed betrayal. *sob*

So Hiro spent the majority of his life trying to be Kensei while Kensei has spent his trying to destroy Hiro. And actually, we find that the stories carried throughout history were actually of Hiro. All fun to wrap your head around.

Well Kensei has had plenty of time to craft out a plan, I wonder how twisted it will be to unravel and beat. But seriously, if Hiro can jump time can he not find a way to go back and neutralize Kensei before this time? The show has been so open on its principles of time traveling.

The heredity genetic mutations are also random and eye-rolling. Why did a flying boy have a indestructo-daughter? But Parkman has the same mind control as his dad? *sigh* I guess I'm pulling for Kensei to be related to Claire for some type of semblence of genetic theory.

Found it quaint that Kensei chose the name of Adam. I guess that means he believes he was the first of the mutants. Wonder if that will play out with any importance.

Look forward to next week when we get the reveal of what we've missed.

[Thomas]

Maybe Kensei's ability was used to heal Nathan? Nathan has seen himself with a messed up face a few times, that's probably what he looked like after the explosion. Since, Kensei's still alive and knows Peter. They probably met during the time between season 1 and 2, during that time, which is when the Company had both Peter and Adam. It would defiantly go with the whole, "Claire's power can save the world." storyline.

About to possible Claire/Adam connection. I don't know. The fact that they both have the same power points in that direction. But, I can't help but think that maybe Adam is Elle's father? But, I keep thinking about how Kristen B. and Hayden P. look smiler, so I keep thinking Claire and Elle are related somehow, but if Adam is Elle's father and Elle is related to Claire, then I can't figure out how Adam would be related to Claire since, he'd have to be her father to make sense since he's like, 400 years old. Unless, Nathan isn't actually Claire's dad and her mom lied, which I wouldn't put it past her, and her real father is Adam, who she also had a daughter (Elle) with prior to Claire. Making Elle. Claire's older sister and Adam her like 29/400 year old father. Wow, this is really complicated.

[Ehlwyen]

Maybe Kensei's ability was used to heal Nathan? Nathan has seen himself with a messed up face a few times, that's probably what he looked like after the explosion. Since, Kensei's still alive and knows Peter. They probably met during the time between season 1 and 2, during that time, which is when the Company had both Peter and Adam. It would defiantly go with the whole, "Claire's power can save the world." storyline.

About to possible Claire/Adam connection. I don't know. The fact that they both have the same power points in that direction. But, I can't help but think that maybe Adam is Elle's father? But, I keep thinking about how Kristen B. and Hayden P. look smiler, so I keep thinking Claire and Elle are related somehow, but if Adam is Elle's father and Elle is related to Claire, then I can't figure out how Adam would be related to Claire since, he'd have to be her father to make sense since he's like, 400 years old. Unless, Nathan isn't actually Claire's dad and her mom lied, which I wouldn't put it past her, and her real father is Adam, who she also had a daughter (Elle) with prior to Claire. Making Elle. Claire's older sister and Adam her like 29/400 year old father. Wow, this is really complicated.

That's a really good point on Nathan being healed! I missed 2.02 and previously haven't had much care, but now I'm actually interested in knowing how Nathan healed.

I'm also wondering if Kensei may have developed any more powers over the years.

I was thinking more along the lines that Claire's mom lied or was mistaken. Or that maybe Adam and Mrs. Petrelli had an affair and he's Claire's grandfather. The first would be a better reveal since it would allow Peter/Claire to not be an incestous ship!

And was it a goof or did we not see Kensei in The Company picture that Matt had? Adam should have been in there right? Or have I gotten confused on who's who?

Oooh, I too was thinking Adam was Elle's mysterious father when Nathan first mentioned him. So now knowing Kensei is Adam...is it Monday yet?!

[slaycandy]

I was a little confused by something in this episode. I had began to wonder if Kensei was Adam, since I knew he wound up in the present somehow... but when Nathan asked Bob about Adam, Bob flicked open the book to show him a news article of snow in miami to describe Kensei, and then stated it may as well have said a tsunami took out some place - that to me implied that Adam's power was actually controlling the weather somehow. I was wondering if perhaps Adam was sort of like Peter and could pick up other's powers as well; and perhaps that was why the two of them were working together, since they were connected? Similarly I wondered if he had taken Hiro's power and used that to teleport out of the fire before the explosion much like Hiro did. I always wondered if there was another Peter out there, and perhaps the two of them are like opposing forces, Peter the good and Kensei/Adam the bad. Of course it could just be me being crazy; but why else would they lock him up if he wasn't a major, MAJOR threat like Sylar was.

Okay, that is my rambling over. Just my speculations on Adam, you know... maybe he's not immortal, maybe he just time-travels too? *shrugs* Meh, who knows!

SJ
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