2.05 "Fight or Flight" Spoiler Discussion Thread

[KingofCretins]

First reaction, is that this is a top 5 episode of the show so far. Kristen Bell is going to bring so much to this season, I can tell. And, with some of the stuff they set in motion here, Season 2, despite some early issues for many viewers, is going to wave to Season 1 as it jogs on by.

First, the only real bad -- the Hiro storyarc. I enjoyed its shortness, but it felt out of place in this episode.

The Claire-lessness and the Maya/Alejandro-lessness should be pleasing to many people -- see, they do know there are more characters, they just can't put every arc in every episode.

I definitely like the Parkman-Petrelli team so far. And, Matt's Dad is every bit the badass we were led to believe, a deceptive and evil man. His power is truly terrifying, he is like Orwell's Room 101 in person with the dreams he can capture people in. Seeing what Matt and Nathan went through really makes me upset for poor Molly -- she is probably back in her house with Sylar running amok.

Mohinder is already folding, incrementally, compromising a bit at a time, and that's unpleasant to see. Great to see Niki (or was that Jessica?) go all super-strength. I thought they'd put the Jessica identity away, but Bob, for the first time, really, confirms the MPD angle on the character. I wonder if she is going to be put in as Mohinder's partner, a new Claude to pair with his new Bennet.

Monica is quickly becoming a favorite character. I was a bit disappointed to learn she didn't have Sylar's same power, but was greatly relieved that it's not something so completely implausible as "learns what she sees on TV" -- she learns what she sees, period. Plus, any time someone does a kip-up, it's a great episode. Her power is extraordinarily cool, one of the best on the show. It's of the same basic fundamental idea as Sylar's and Peter's, but operates with different limits and different advantages. I was pleased to see Mohinder turn up at her door, because it means she's going to be important.

And, the main event. First, poor, poor O'PubGuy (can't remember his name). Loyal to his family (literal and figurative) to the very end, a tough guy unwilling to be intimidated or insulted, and gets FRIED for it. Poor Caitlin, also -- she has no idea what she's been drawn into. Worse, neither does the only person who can help her through it. I'm glad they didn't have Peter waste a lot of time not opening the box, because that would be ridiculous. I look forward to him having his memory back, though. Ooh, one small complaint -- Peter may have Isaac's powers, but he's *not* Isaac -- Peter was painting in stick figures a few months before. I know they want to continue to use Tim Sale's art, but it's really hard to fanwank or ignore Peter suddenly being that artistic.

I figured Kristen Bell must have the electricity and that that's where Peter got it. Glad to see I was right. She makes a formidable adversary, and I love that she wasn't being calculating at all killing O'PubGuy, she was just being capricious. She's a petulant kid, and that rocks.

[little albatross]

I figured Kristen Bell must have the electricity and that that's where Peter got it. Glad to see I was right. She makes a formidable adversary, and I love that she wasn't being calculating at all killing O'PubGuy, she was just being capricious. She's a petulant kid, and that rocks.

I know! I totally loved that. Also, I was like...need a taser? Where's your bag? Oh wait, no, you're badass crazy Elle, not Veronica Mars! You can do that with your hands! I loved her, and I was actually afraid I wouldn't. That phone call was just too long for a one-sided conversation for my taste though. Who's her dad? Because I've been kind of hoping she's Matt's sister.

And Matt. Nathan. Superduo? Awesome. That was probably the most WOOHOO! part of the episode for me.

It was pretty heartbreaking to see Mollie in her condition. As annoying as the creepy dramatic whispering can get sometimes, I adore that girl. It pissed me off that she got whisked away back to the Company again. I loved Niki coming out of nowhere. Or should I say Jessica? I do like that she's not just...gone now. Although, I have to admit that as much as I love Niki, I never really enjoyed the Jessica side, except for the parts where we see that she really cares about Micah.

I'm enjoying the Micah/Monica storyline so much. She's just an enjoyable person for me in general, and I loved watching Micah help her figure out her powers.

Hiro's arc definitely was out of place here, and even I'll admit now that they need to wrap this up. There's nothing new, and I'd rather they didn't drag it out. As (apparently) one of the few big Hiro fans left here, I feel sort of cheated and like he's being wasted. But Ando cracked me up, even though he wasn't actually trying to be the bestest comedian ever. But "It's a common name" had me laughing for so long for some reason

[DigitalLeonardo]

The moment I didn't see Hayden's name I jumped with joy, I new it would be a good episode, and oh my was it. I had the same fear about KB, I wasn't sure if I'd like it, but with her "I can take care of myself" and the lil sparks. Holy Geez! She's really good at playing bad, and we don't see that all to much on Veronica Mars, but damn she is good. I liked the phone scene, cause it was very classic KB with "But Daddy!" and her "Yeah so I killed him?". She will so bring a new life back to Heroes, and I'm glad she will be shown through out the season, that way she doesn't get warn out and just be rushed in a pile of episodes in a row.

Monica was again good. I really like her storyline, for some reason I find her a better lead young character then Claire turned out to be. I think its because Monica has all the pain and really cares for her family, while Claire is half the time selfish and doesn't care about her family. Monica learning to kungfu was funny, I think she'll be another highlight or the season, and apart of me wishes she was in it season 1.

XD Niki/Jessica's momentary apperance was the highlight. It was so freaking random, but it was the best.

I wasn't a big fan of Matt/Nathan. I just don't lilke Matt! The entire Molly/Mohinder/Matt thing really bugs me. Though I liked the confronting of his father, and damn is his father cool. Can't wait to see more story line with him. It really threw me cause I thought his dad would turn out being good and just scared.
The nightmare fight reminded me a scene from JLU alot...

Love Ando, and I wish we could have him without Hiro right now. Ando's reactions and just general pressence is always there for a laugh, even when he isn't meant to be. The Hiro/Past thing had no point, we learned nothing new and I wish he would have just came home a episode 3...

Oh and I am actually REALLY enjoying the Peter/Caitlin story line. At first I didn't think I would, but its growing on me. I like the two together and I liked him using the painting powers.

[BlasterBoy]

Holy. Frickin'. Crap.

That, basically, sums up the whole episode! I loved every single part of the episode!

While I loved the whole thing, this was my least favorite part: Hiro's "story". While I was totally cracking up and leaping into the air because of Ando's lines ("What!? It's a common name!" and "WHAT HAPPENS NEXT?!)! I loved him! The stupid thing is hearing Hiro's voice! Ugh! Luckily, he was only talking for like 1 minute. So, it was okay, there

MONICA! You are my new Claire Claire was awesome in S1, now she sucks. Monica is great in S2 and reminds me a lot of S1 Claire So, I love you, Monica. Your power is just....wow. I just hope that you don't have the power to "learn" people's powers by watching them. Like, if she suddenly fixes the TV with her mind, I will not be pleased. It's way to Peter-esque if that happens. I'm so scared for her, right now! Mohinder is coming? And he's basically turned to the dark side, right? So, I'm scared! Poor Monica! But, of course, Micah being her tutor is really great! Love it!

And Niki's sudden burst into the Company was hilarious! It wasn't really that funny, but it was so sudden and random. I loved it!

Oh my god. The super freaks. They're super freaky. Matt/Nathan are I loved the introduction of Matt's dad. At first, I was certain he was not the bogeyman, and I thought that someone else was in that room. That's what I thought. Thought is the operative word. The whole "dream" sequence was superb! I loved that since he's had his power for a long time, he's learned to break the boundaries! It's great to see what Matt might be able to do. Showing Matt's ex-wife with, now we know, their baby, was awesome! I loved the dialog there. I also loved Nathan's mind! Him seeing "Peter" and that fight was awesome! I loved that they were fighting each other so much! The way is was choreographed and edited was just superb. Maybe the best part of the episode. No, actually. The second best thing. That leads me to my next point.

Kristen Bell. Kristen Bell. Ah, Kristen Bell. I love her, soooo much. Elle is now my favorite character, I think. The way KB plays her is so amazing. When she said "Don't worry, I can take care of myself" and then sparks flick from her fingertips, I knew this was going to be good. The short three scenes we had with her, was worth all the hype, imo. I love Caitlin/Peter, as well! The first scene where they shut the door while kissing, was awesome. I really like their relationship. And it was nice that they just got the box opening over with, that Peter can paint future, it's all connected to Montreal ( ), and that they lost someone. Caitlin's brother dying was nice to show that they were getting into something big. Elle is a formidable opponent. The scene where he was killed was great. "Well, either you are lying, or all those other people are lying. It's just hard to know who's lying, you know?" Also, her daddy conversation wasn't too long, for my taste. It was great! I loved her attitude! "No, I just used means of.....persuasion." "No....it's....n-....okay, I killed him! What's the big deal!?" Elle is amazing.

So, I gotta agree with Dan: In the top 5....of the series

[omri]

Ok, I watched the episode!~ I think it was really good.. We even get to see how Matt's powers will develop... KB was a fresh and cool add to the cast// I really like seeing her move on from VM so fast.

[Glenn]

I hope Peter kills KB's character hard. Her murder of Caitlins brother has angered me and hopefully she gets what she deserves for it. Great episode.

[KingofCretins]

Peter won't be kicking anyone's butt until he remembers who he is -- he won't have full control of his powers until then, I don't think.

Of course, I don't think Elle is much of an even match for him if he does that -- the only one that can match him toe to toe is Sylar.

[BlasterBoy]

Agree with Dan about knowledge. But, you saw Elle's power. She killed the guy without even moving. Electricity is and awesome power and she'd put up a pretty good fight, imo. But, Peter is also powered by rage, so that will definitely boost up his chances.

[KingofCretins]

Peter has the "I win" button with Claire's power, though. I still want him to meet FireMommy after seeing "Five Years Gone", though!

[BlasterBoy]

Peter has the "I win" button with Claire's power, though. I still want him to meet FireMommy after seeing "Five Years Gone", though!

I doubt FireMommy will be coming back, same as Claude (which makes me mad). I never really thought of Claire's power. But, that just makes sure Peter doesn't lose, not that he wins. Elle could trample him and Peter could still be losing, just never lose Like, knock him out. Bye bye, Elle. Then Elle comes back, we fight more I kinda want Sylar and Elle to have a showdown. Or Monica and Niki/Jessica. Cause, ya know, super strength. Both of 'em have it. Might as well use it

[KingofCretins]

No offense, but does Jessalyn Gelsig have a ton of pressing acting engagements? We need FireMommy! This show totally needs pyrokinesis on it. I still would like a flashback to explain Sylar's cryokinesis.

[Thomas]

No offense, but does Jessalyn Gelsig have a ton of pressing acting engagements? We need FireMommy! This show totally needs pyrokinesis on it. I still would like a flashback to explain Sylar's cryokinesis.

I remember hearing see was doing Friday Night Lights now, but I think it's only recurring. Heroes and FNL are both on NBC so, I think the schedule could be worked out.

[Glenn]

I cant understand how anyone can think Elle could match Peter in a fight if he regained his knowledge of his powers. Allowing Elle's power to pass right through him like D.L could have done perhaps. Fly at superspeed behind her and kill her that way like im sure Nathan could do. Read her mind and predict her next move even. Or perhaps go invisible and do something that way. Maybe if Peter meets the Haitian he could prevent other people from using their powers at all while he just blasts them

[Willow's Tara]

Hmm I forgot that's how Peter could have gotten the fire power, but since the future change it is possible he may not meet her this time (Althought some things such as DL's death doesn't change, but why Nikki is calm about it now and why she wasn't in the future puzzles me a bit).

I wonder who has the Ice powers? Remeber Sylar had powered up an ice attack during the fight with Peter in Five Years Gone, hopefully we will see them again.

Lightening is cool, I like Elle (Right?) power, hopefully Peter will absorb it.

Fire, Lightening and Ice sort of have all been shown, I want to see Water and Eadrth next (It be ironic because I have characters in my story with those elementals althought they could probably beat Firemommy, Elle and whoever has the ice powers butts, well maybe not Sylar if he had them)

Anyway good episode.

[KingofCretins]

I wonder who has the Ice powers? Remeber Sylar had powered up an ice attack during the fight with Peter in Five Years Gone, hopefully we will see them again.

Whoever had the cryokinesis is apparently long dead, since Sylar exhibited that power in the attack that killed Molly Walker's parents -- her father was frozen solid before Sylar took the brain. He also used it to show off to his mother, creating a snow storm in her apartment.

Peter has already absorbed Elle's powers, at some point in between seasons. He used it in the season premiere.

[Willow's Tara]

Oh yeah, I remeber that now.

Hmm maybe someone else will have the same power (Techinalyl Peter has some same powers as Sylar and the other Hereos, and West and Nathan have the same power).

BTW, while I am here, can I ask what's up with DL's family? All of them seemed to have powers, DL, Micah and Monica all have it (Including Nikki/Jessica), I wonder what Micah's grandmother, and Monica's grandma had/has and Monica's brother..