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    Okay, I have to say I totally enjoyed the latest ep. I really did. It was one of the best eps in a long time, imo. I really like how the meth storyline totally guided the rest of the relationships and scenes. Everyone learned from it or came to a realization because of it. Excellent stuff. I hope Grey's is back to its oldself! Watching it felt like a chore for so long but I finally found an ep I loved. I even got teary-eyes a few times.

    1. The Alex/Bailey scene in the gallery was awesome. How he thanked her for yelling at him, how she thanked for letting her.

    2. Mama Burke had some good stuff too. Particularly when she finally got to speak to Cristina. It wasn't what I was expecting, although, in retrospect, I probably should have.

    3. Mark and Callie need to get back together.

    4. Meredith still annoys. We shall ignore, yes?

    5. Now that I am a mother, I find that scenes in tv shows and movies that have children in crisis really tug at me. I don't know what I would do if anything ever happen to my Raina! (Whose first birthday is just hours away, btw!)

    Am I crazy? Did anyone else like this episode? I am ready for this whole Gizzie fiasco to come to a head already. I feel like it's just dragging....grr
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  • #2
    Originally posted by Jenni Lou View Post
    Okay, I have to say I totally enjoyed the latest ep. I really did. It was one of the best eps in a long time, imo. I really like how the meth storyline totally guided the rest of the relationships and scenes. Everyone learned from it or came to a realization because of it. Excellent stuff. I hope Grey's is back to its oldself! Watching it felt like a chore for so long but I finally found an ep I loved. I even got teary-eyes a few times.

    1. The Alex/Bailey scene in the gallery was awesome. How he thanked her for yelling at him, how she thanked for letting her.
    I thought that was pretty on target! I got the feeling last episode that Alex is really having a hard time respecting Callie's "au-tho-ri-taaay". This scene really spelled out what was wrong and what was expected - he misses Bailey's "special touch" and he has way more respect for her. He was pushing buttons and envelopes with Callie but what he wants is his boundaries back and Bailey is what established those things for him. I don't know - think it's a bad thing? Think Bailey "babied" the interns now residents too much??

    2. Mama Burke had some good stuff too. Particularly when she finally got to speak to Cristina. It wasn't what I was expecting, although, in retrospect, I probably should have.
    Yeah, that one fell a little short for me as well at first - but as you say - in retrospect it was something Christina needed to hear. However - was Mama criticizing Christina for being too strong? Because earlier, Derek and Mama had that conversation about Burke and he being different - that Burke was stronger than he. Meaning, Burke knew when to let Christina go and Derek still hasn't found the strength to let Meredith go.

    3. Mark and Callie need to get back together.
    Izzie and Mark need to get together!!! That's what I'm rooting for!!!

    4. Meredith still annoys. We shall ignore, yes?
    Yes, for now - lets. Im not ready for her to break up with Derek yet either... (I'm secretly hoping they'll bring in a new Dr... Paging Dr. Marsters! Dr. Marsters to Grey's please!!)

    5. Now that I am a mother, I find that scenes in tv shows and movies that have children in crisis really tug at me. I don't know what I would do if anything ever happen to my Raina! (Whose first birthday is just hours away, btw!)
    UGH! I know what you mean!!! Isn't there a Bill Cosby "funny" about how a child's cry finds the base of your spine and causes you to burst out of bed to make it stop?? LOL!!

    I can't bear to be around pediatric stations. When they do procedures on the ittle ones and they cry I just have to leave for a few minutes.

    Am I crazy? Did anyone else like this episode? I am ready for this whole Gizzie fiasco to come to a head already. I feel like it's just dragging....grr
    Looks like the Season is definitely on the up-swing!! They are laying some very rich ground work. I especially liked the last scene with Christina and the Meth Mother. Notice how she almost told the mother "you are strong". I think we will begin to see a softer side of Christina this Season.

    And Gizzie... I just keep looking at my watch... When will they move on...?


    AND - Happy First Year in the World little Raina!!! Blessings! Blessings!
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    • #3
      Originally posted by ThePoet's<3 View Post
      I thought that was pretty on target! I got the feeling last episode that Alex is really having a hard time respecting Callie's "au-tho-ri-taaay". This scene really spelled out what was wrong and what was expected - he misses Bailey's "special touch" and he has way more respect for her. He was pushing buttons and envelopes with Callie but what he wants is his boundaries back and Bailey is what established those things for him. I don't know - think it's a bad thing? Think Bailey "babied" the interns now residents too much??
      I don't know. I want Callie to succeed and maybe she needs time to figure out how to make it work for her. I think perhaps the residents don't look up to her the way they did Bailey. In fact, I really think that's the case!


      However - was Mama criticizing Christina for being too strong?
      Yeah, there was a hint of criticism there too. But I find that the approval and recognition of Mama recognizing Cristina's strength overpowers it. She did also hint that she won't be as good a surgeon as she could be without Burke though. Ouch.



      Izzie and Mark need to get together!!! That's what I'm rooting for!!!
      Yeah, I could go for that too! Izzie/Alex, Izzie/Mark or Mark/Callie. These all sound fine to me!



      (I'm secretly hoping they'll bring in a new Dr... Paging Dr. Marsters! Dr. Marsters to Grey's please!!)
      Well your secret is out! But he is going to be on Without a Trace and Smallville this season! Not that I watch either one...


      I especially liked the last scene with Christina and the Meth Mother. Notice how she almost told the mother "you are strong". I think we will begin to see a softer side of Christina this Season.
      Oh yes! How could I forget? That was pure loveliness. Such softness from Cristina. Typically she would be really bitchy to a patient like that but her newfound heartbreak has softened her. Losing love has made her wiser and more compassionate to the needs of others. That's something a doctor need, imo.


      AND - Happy First Year in the World little Raina!!! Blessings! Blessings!
      Thanks! We are having a HUGE party on Saturday. It's going to be legen--wait for it--dary! /end obligatory How I Met Your Mother catchphrase
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      • #4
        I was impressed by this episode! I enjoyed it more than I did last weeks I think!

        So is anyone else excited on what is really up with Alex? I was pondering at this, and we know so very little about the guy if you think about it. And that makes sense; it isn't in him to be sharey about everything so obliviously like someone like Meredith. When they progress his character they always tend to do it discreetly where as the rest of the characters seem to get obvious changes.

        He smelt the meth... that tells us a little bit about his life I think. Something we may get to discover more of over the season I want me more Alex after this episode gorramnit!

        Mamma told Cristina exactly what she needed to hear. Burke made her a much better surgeon and it is clear that Cristina hasn't learnt the honour he had possessed, or the way with patients he had, or the ethics he had; but she was progressing in that direction. I think after hearing this she will get another boost in that direction... as shown at the end of the episode.

        Meredith I agree is getting a little annoying again... and I was liking her before! I don't think we're really meant to like her much right now... it seems it's going to be sympathy for Derek this time round.

        Gizzie makes me irritated all to hell. To be honest I don't think they are for each other. I think they are at a point in their friendship where they have to address the possibility; if they don't it would be addressed later and that would have more dire concequences for both of them as the potential feelings and the thoughts would have continued to stew around.

        Izzie is still... broken I think. That's what I really think about Gizzie. She is self destructive by nature and is just going through the Izzie motions as usual. I really feel bad for Izzie So very much. George not so much... not a fan of how he's really acted since his father died.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Magnetic Duty View Post
          So is anyone else excited on what is really up with Alex? I was pondering at this, and we know so very little about the guy if you think about it. And that makes sense; it isn't in him to be sharey about everything so obliviously like someone like Meredith. When they progress his character they always tend to do it discreetly where as the rest of the characters seem to get obvious changes.

          He smelt the meth... that tells us a little bit about his life I think. Something we may get to discover more of over the season I want me more Alex after this episode gorramnit!
          Oh, gosh. And how much could you tell Justin Chambers is a dad and actually knows how to hold a kid- that was no 'acting!' lol. Totally hot. I love love loved the Alex/Bailey interaction. I think he likes to respect people, they have to earn it, but also- Alex often thinks he's right. Often. But when he's wrong- then, only then, he's happy to be told so.

          Mamma told Cristina exactly what she needed to hear. Burke made her a much better surgeon and it is clear that Cristina hasn't learnt the honour he had possessed, or the way with patients he had, or the ethics he had; but she was progressing in that direction. I think after hearing this she will get another boost in that direction... as shown at the end of the episode.
          Liking Cristina a lot- her development as a surgeon without Burke may not go as stringly and as quickly in the cardio thor... direction, but she's a better doctor with a little empathy...

          Meredith I agree is getting a little annoying again... and I was liking her before! I don't think we're really meant to like her much right now... it seems it's going to be sympathy for Derek this time round.
          No more time for Mer. How often can a person bitch about their crappy childhood for? Three seasons, maybe, but four...? And it's not Lexie's fault!!! Grrr @ Mer.

          Izzie is still... broken I think. That's what I really think about Gizzie. She is self destructive by nature and is just going through the Izzie motions as usual. I really feel bad for Izzie So very much. George not so much... not a fan of how he's really acted since his father died.
          Running out of patience for Izzie too, but I have hope for her. I hope they pull the daughter storyline in more, and that snaps her out of her self destrucitve cycle... wishful thinking, on my part!

          Overall: yes. This ep gets points. A little prickle behind my eyes in the Bailey/Alex scene... love it.

          -Oh yeah, and have a great party Jenni-Lou and little Raina!!!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Magnetic Duty View Post
            So is anyone else excited on what is really up with Alex? I was pondering at this, and we know so very little about the guy if you think about it. And that makes sense; it isn't in him to be sharey about everything so obliviously like someone like Meredith. When they progress his character they always tend to do it discreetly where as the rest of the characters seem to get obvious changes.
            Good point! We know so much about the others. And we have met some of their family. We know some of their pasts but now that you mention it...we know NOTHING about Alex! What's that about. Methinks maybe this might the season we get some reveals. I've always been an Alex fan so this sounds great to me!

            Originally posted by Veverka View Post
            Oh, gosh. And how much could you tell Justin Chambers is a dad and actually knows how to hold a kid- that was no 'acting!' lol. Totally hot.
            Indeed!


            No more time for Mer. How often can a person bitch about their crappy childhood for? Three seasons, maybe, but four...? Grrr @ Mer.


            Seriously.


            -Oh yeah, and have a great party Jenni-Lou and little Raina!!!
            Thanks! I've been taking sporadic breaks from cleaning and prep work to checkin. /internet addiciton
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Veverka View Post
              No more time for Mer. How often can a person bitch about their crappy childhood for? Three seasons, maybe, but four...? And it's not Lexie's fault!!! Grrr @ Mer.
              I can forgive her a LITTLE on Lexie I think; I can see her point as I am adopted and to have some person just show up and say they are related to me and therefore we must communicate would be... weirdo!

              However yeah... the Mer problems are just cycling over and over and over again and needs to stop!


              Running out of patience for Izzie too, but I have hope for her. I hope they pull the daughter storyline in more, and that snaps her out of her self destrucitve cycle... wishful thinking, on my part!
              I could marry you right now for that idea! Go to Shondaland and present it! I think they will want an escape of the cycle of Izzie after this Gizzie thing goes BOOM! Thank goodness...
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Jenni Lou View Post
                Thanks! I've been taking sporadic breaks from cleaning and prep work to checkin. /internet addiciton
                Um, yep. Check. Internet addiction understood.

                Originally posted by Magnetic Duty View Post
                I can forgive her a LITTLE on Lexie I think; I can see her point as I am adopted and to have some person just show up and say they are related to me and therefore we must communicate would be... weirdo!
                Oh, I do quite agree with the sister thing. I think it would, however, be a fine thing for Mer to say "We didn't grow up together, but I am happy to know you as a fellow doctor, and let's see where this takes us", rather than "We didn't grow up together and I cannot deal with the fact I was not chosen by your father and am therefore unwilling to work professionally by your side", which tends to be the message she's giving out.

                I could marry you right now for that idea! Go to Shondaland and present it! I think they will want an escape of the cycle of Izzie after this goes BOOM! Thank goodness...
                Woo- An Alex marriage proposal! Ah, um... thanks?

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                • #9
                  I think its kinda funny that its Izzie who people think is the self destructive one in their relationship. Shonda really cleared the air with the Gizzie matter this episode and I'm glad that she did. George wasn't ready for marriage, at all, and he still went ahead with it... damn eloping ... he was still hung up on other women, I don't think his heart was fully into it with Callie, though I do believe that he loves her he just isn't marriage in love with her.

                  I believe that Izzie learned her lesson before George last season, she took her time and I think that she is ready to move on, only problem is the guy that she loves is married, granted in a loveless marriage on one side, but married none the less. I loved the speech about how George shouldn't be married out of obligation, that was nice and so true. I have wanted George and Izzie together since they became great friends, I mean they act like a couple already an I love seeing that (or at least they did in Season 2, because Season 3... yeah...)

                  As far as Meredith goes, I'm still liking her. I can totally see where she is coming from with the whole Lexie issue, I mean Lexie is just a reminder of the childhood she never had and that her dad chose Lexie over her and having Lexie in front of her everyday isn't a fun thing I'm sure. I just feel bad for Derek which is so weird because I usually can't stand the guy, but Shonda has added depth to his character and I really enjoy that. But Meredith needs to work on some issues that she has and I'm glad that she can at least accept that she knows where they come from and that Derek is an amazing guy....

                  Yeah rant over
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                  • #10
                    I really enjoyed this episode, more than the opener

                    Firstly Bailey and Alex rocked my world! When she yelled at him, he thanked her then she thanked him! Bailey's scenes with Callie were also great. I'm actually finding Callie's deterioration not too much fun to watch. I find myself feeling sorry for her which I don't really want because I don't really like her, and that has nothing to do with George. /sigh

                    Thankfully Meredith didn't annoy me too much this week, I liked Mama Burke asking her if she was inappropriate or selfish!

                    Christina was also good in this episode, using the gifts for gain, hiding from the Mama, then finally showing the hurt and loss.. maybe that was about her career too, but it was nice to see

                    I really see this season has possibility to get back to the season 1/2 feel that I loved and I hope it continues to grow

                    I get why she doesn't want to know Lexie and what Lexie represents for her, but she still comes across as just being mean and honestly they work together, very long hours and very closely, their paths are going to cross. But I did like how she admitted to Lexie about throwing Derek out of bed because of her 'daddy issues'. But I think she needs to get some help because if you want to work on getting over issues like that it is possible and you can go on to lead a perfectly normal life, part of thinks that she kinda likes how she is which is what annoys me.

                    I loved Derek admitting he had a problem to Mark and when Mark told Meredith Derek wasn't coming for her my heart jumped for a second.. then it all went wrong! But like this episode was about, admitting you have a problem is the first step. I hope the pair of them can take the second step. I really want to like Meredith because she's the main character but she doesn't help herself at all!

                    I'm so fed up of Izzie and George, at this point they could disappear from the show and I'll probably miss Burke more /sigh Thing is I feel while the Gizzie storyline can be wrapped up it will always have happened and they can't ever go back to friends the way they were which is how I like them all.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by EndersWrath View Post
                      I think its kinda funny that its Izzie who people think is the self destructive one in their relationship. Shonda really cleared the air with the Gizzie matter this episode and I'm glad that she did. George wasn't ready for marriage, at all, and he still went ahead with it... damn eloping ... he was still hung up on other women, I don't think his heart was fully into it with Callie, though I do believe that he loves her he just isn't marriage in love with her.
                      Well do we really know if he was in love with Izzie at the time? I don't think he was, no. I have been rewatching season 3 and finished last night with their kiss and I really think it was Izzie's passion for helping out George after his dad died that got him to really like her.

                      And I believe Izzie is just self-destructive by nature. She creates drama where there doesn't need to be just because thats her. There are much more conservative ways to go about falling in love with someone; she opted not to take that way with George. I don't deny that she's not alone in being self-destructive, but I think out of George's nature he wouldn't have acted on his feelings without either a few more nudges away from Callie, or a few more towards Izzie.

                      I believe that Izzie learned her lesson before George last season, she took her time and I think that she is ready to move on, only problem is the guy that she loves is married, granted in a loveless marriage on one side, but married none the less. I loved the speech about how George shouldn't be married out of obligation, that was nice and so true. I have wanted George and Izzie together since they became great friends, I mean they act like a couple already an I love seeing that (or at least they did in Season 2, because Season 3... yeah...)
                      I think she's ready to move on to other people, but I think she is still plagued with insecurities and problems from the death of Denny. She can be ready to see other men because she has the ability to love someone else, but that doesn't mean there won't be issues about it.

                      Yeah the obligation speech was perfect. But mama was just so useful for everyone in the episode! I loved her little Meredith bash ^^; It's not that I hate Mer... just sometimes she can be too self involved...

                      As far as Meredith goes, I'm still liking her. I can totally see where she is coming from with the whole Lexie issue, I mean Lexie is just a reminder of the childhood she never had and that her dad chose Lexie over her and having Lexie in front of her everyday isn't a fun thing I'm sure. I just feel bad for Derek which is so weird because I usually can't stand the guy, but Shonda has added depth to his character and I really enjoy that. But Meredith needs to work on some issues that she has and I'm glad that she can at least accept that she knows where they come from and that Derek is an amazing guy....

                      Yeah rant over
                      I can see where she comes from, but I think she could have been nicer about it! Lexie is just curious and she is just a human being! If I went out to see my family I'd not want to be shot down so harshly. Grant it Lexie was a little too obsessive... but I can accept that in this circumstance.

                      Wow... fighting for Lexie when I didn't really like her ^^;

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Magnetic Duty View Post
                        I can see where she comes from, but I think she could have been nicer about it! Lexie is just curious and she is just a human being! If I went out to see my family I'd not want to be shot down so harshly. Grant it Lexie was a little too obsessive... but I can accept that in this circumstance.

                        Wow... fighting for Lexie when I didn't really like her ^^;

                        Maybe. But she was being down right creepy. And perhaps Meredith was a little harsh but if someone was staring at me all day I might lose it on them too.

                        Lexie should just take a step back and recognize that she works in the same environment as her sister and there will be times they will be together. She might be better off letting a relationship grow naturally rather than trying to force it.

                        Wow... fighting for Meredith and I don't really like her.
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                        • #13
                          I watched the ep for the second time, and I am agreeing now the staring was a little weird. Well, I think the weird thing was that the whole ep was about obsession/addiction, and otherwise I wouldn't have thought Lexie was obsessed, just curious about Meredith. To me, that part with her crying in the locker room at the end was a little odd and out of place.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Veverka View Post
                            To me, that part with her crying in the locker room at the end was a little odd and out of place.
                            Hmm. I could completely understand why Lexie broke down at the end - it kind of stems back to what she was telling George in the first ep about the way her life has kind of fallen apart all around her just lately. When you think about it, in the last month or two she's lost her mother very suddenly, had to change all her plans for her life, watched her father fall apart completely and turn to booze, and discovered she has a sister she never knew about. She focused on getting to know Meredith as something positive that could come out of all the tragedy and disaster, only for Meredith to reject her completely.

                            She just needs to take a step back and let things take their course. She and Meredith can hardly avoid getting to know one another, working in the same hospital. Forcing herself upon her long-lost sister is never going to work, especially with Meredith being who she is. But getting to know her gradually is inevitable.

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                            • #15
                              I'm still liking Meredith - I think that the various calamities that befell her last year (dear writers: I think I got the idea that y'all hated Mer after the drowning; I didn't need her other mom dying and the slap) have led me sympathetic to her. She definitely could've handled Lexie better, but for as much of a right that Lexie has to know her half-sister, Mer has a right *not* to know her. I'm waiting for them to gradually warm up to each other.

                              For what it's worth, I liked the Alex/Bailey and Mama/Cristina scenes - both Fab5 members got to hear what they needed to hear and will hopefully grow from it. I hope that it's the last we hear of Burke.

                              As far as Gizzie goes, let it die. Adultery is one thing, godawful triangles are another. Making Callie the substitute whipping post, however, is not cool. At least with Mer/Der/Addie, Addison didn't get crapped on because she was in opposition to MerDer. Callie? Is hard to watch because of her rapid fall from the season finale. Honestly I think George should just get a divorce instead of dragging it along, but I'm not sure that George would even consider a divorce unless it was Callie doing the severing. That way they can quit destroying Callie and Callie can hook up with someone with more spine and more...steam
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