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    Well I've been reading some people post and I've noticed that a lot of people aren't happy that Supergirl is joining the cast of Smallville. My thoughts on this topic are; I'm very excited that she has joined the cast. I get very excited when I see new faces on show. Also it keeps the storyline going. Smallville is on it's 7th season and they still have along ways to go with the storyline of Superman. That's why they bring in characters early and storylines that are suppose to be set later on in the Superman series. Shows can be cancelled at anytime so they have to jam all there ideas the comic book storylines together in a season. I know in the comic book Supergirl doesn't show up for a awhile but I'm pretty sure this season will be good like all the others. So I like that Supergirl joined Smallville cast.
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    I'm very excited about Supergirl. I love me some Kara (and not just talking about Starbuck ). I'm sure they'll use her in awfully cheesy ways, and yet, I can't help but enjoy the idea. She wasn't in the first ep much so I can't judge...except that they're obviously (and heavy handedly) already paralleling Clark's journey, with the saving of Lex. Only she didn't stick around to stare lovingly into his eyes.

    I look forward to Clark having some "proper" family around, especially if she's a massive little sisterish pain in the ass. Clark's Dawn. Trouble!


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    • #3
      So when Clark becomes Superman, he will have already met all the people who are significant in his superhero life? I was contemplating this conclusion when they introduced Lois Lane, and confirmed it when they introduced Jimmy Olsen. What are they going to do next, break out Zod and -- oh, wait.

      Does Clark's future (or at least what's supposed to be his future) really have to hit him in the face week after week? Can't they incorporate a few Superman elements to appease fans, but mostly come up with their own stuff? I mean, really, in Smallville universe, Clark is going to move to Metropolis, work with Lois and Jimmy who he already knows (and hence has no reason to act like a dork... also they know what he looks like without glasses and dork hair), he's already fought Zod, freakin' Bizarro, already knows Kara, already fought alongside a little mini Justice League, grew up with Lex Luthor...? The hell? I wasn't against the growing up with Lex Luthor bit, either, but add it all up together, and it's silly.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Feminists Are Ugly View Post
        So when Clark becomes Superman, he will have already met all the people who are significant in his superhero life? I was contemplating this conclusion when they introduced Lois Lane, and confirmed it when they introduced Jimmy Olsen. What are they going to do next, break out Zod and -- oh, wait.
        Uhhh...I don't think Smallville has ever intended to be an origin story. It was designed to be a retelling of the Superman mythos from the angle of, "what if most of what we know about Clark et al happened when he was a young man?" I don't believe that Smallville intends for there to be a "future" after the series ends. What they are able to incorporate during the seasons will stand as their version of the Superman legend.

        Does Clark's future (or at least what's supposed to be his future) really have to hit him in the face week after week? Can't they incorporate a few Superman elements to appease fans, but mostly come up with their own stuff?
        Personally I think a completely new set of characters and elements would weaken the fact that this is a Superman story. This isn't the "New Adventures of Superman". Besides, the MOTW plotlines which make up the majority of episodes are not rooted in Superman legend. Only a few event episodes each season bring in major villians and Superman storylines. While the general structure of the show is based upon familiar characters being perceived in new perspective.
        I mean, really, in Smallville universe, Clark is going to move to Metropolis, work with Lois and Jimmy who he already knows (and hence has no reason to act like a dork... also they know what he looks like without glasses and dork hair), he's already fought Zod, freakin' Bizarro, already knows Kara, already fought alongside a little mini Justice League, grew up with Lex Luthor...? The hell? I wasn't against the growing up with Lex Luthor bit, either, but add it all up together, and it's silly.
        LOL! I think that the fact Lois and Jimmy could never tell Superman was Clark because of a pair of dorky glasses was always the ultimate in silly and in requiring suspension in belief.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Ehlwyen View Post
          Uhhh...I don't think Smallville has ever intended to be an origin story. It was designed to be a retelling of the Superman mythos from the angle of, "what if most of what we know about Clark et al happened when he was a young man?" I don't believe that Smallville intends for there to be a "future" after the series ends. What they are able to incorporate during the seasons will stand as their version of the Superman legend.
          If Smallville isn't an origin story, but rather a version of Superman (or "Superman going through his adventures as a youth without his name and costume") in itself, then that is idiotic. I was always under the belief that the show was about everything that shaped him into the man we know he's going to be some day, and that Clark IS in fact going to become Superman after the series is over. If that's not the case, then wow, how utterly idiotic. I dunno, I've read some stuff by the writers, and I think they respect the classic hero way too much for this not to be an origin. Could be wrong.

          LOL! I think that the fact Lois and Jimmy could never tell Superman was Clark because of a pair of dorky glasses was always the ultimate in silly and in requiring suspension in belief
          Well, that's the way the real story goes. Now mind you, even though it's a stupid disguise, I imagine it's way the hell more effective when Lois and Jimmy don't know him. Christopher Reeve made it somewhat believable for a movie, even though it clearly wouldn't work in real life for numerous reasons. I don't think anyone can really say, "It's stupid if they're disguising him in glasses, different hair, and a different personality," unless they're totally against the Superman character and only watch Smallville for Smallville. When I consider what the story is about in the first place, I have no problem dealing with the "believability" of his classic secret identity.

          I really hope you're wrong about Smallville not being an origin, though, because that is near criminal.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Feminists Are Ugly View Post
            If Smallville isn't an origin story, but rather a version of Superman (or "Superman going through his adventures as a youth without his name and costume") in itself, then that is idiotic.
            As I understand it, Smallville is supposed to be an origin story, but one that's not too concerned about fitting with Superman continuity. You could argue that given the splintered nature of the DC universe over the years, there is no such thing as continuity?

            But in terms of the writers of Smallville, I sometimes think they don't really care, and just want to introduce lots of familiar characters. It's easier than thinking up plot and character developments for the existing characters.

            Generally, trying to rationalise the decisions of writers on Smallville is the road to madness. It's not a well thought out or well written show and wouldn't know a character arc if it bit them in the arse. But it can be occasionally very fun ? especially when the Luthors or Chloe are involved. Or when an unintended (or intended?) slash vibe creeps in. Smallville is a pantomime, and I love pantomimes


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            • #7
              Originally posted by Feminists Are Ugly View Post
              If Smallville isn't an origin story, but rather a version of Superman (or "Superman going through his adventures as a youth without his name and costume") in itself, then that is idiotic. I was always under the belief that the show was about everything that shaped him into the man we know he's going to be some day, and that Clark IS in fact going to become Superman after the series is over.
              I'm not saying that Clark will die and not live out his life as Superman after the show. And yes it is about how how everything shapes him into "the man" we know him as well. I emphasize "the man" purposely since the story is about his personal journey to adulthood. Not a journey to his destiny to the storylines we associate with Superman.
              If that's not the case, then wow, how utterly idiotic. I dunno, I've read some stuff by the writers, and I think they respect the classic hero way too much for this not to be an origin. Could be wrong.
              Oh yes, I definitely say the writers are Superman fans. Comic book heroes and their stories are always being retold in different but still honoring fashions. That's nothing new. And in fact, it's pretty much the comic book way (especially when they head from paper to the screen) to take the same set of characters and put them together in a new scenario.

              For a seven year show to just be an origin story that never dealt with any of the familiar Superman mythos would negate all the impact that the other Superman characters had on Clark's. They'd just be the second string characters to which Clark's personal issues would not be directly related to. It's our first real loves, fights, and friendships that make us who we are. Whether we meet them in youth or later on. It would be blasphemy for Clark to have a completely different set of characters to which to experience these significant relationships. Clark is defined by Lana, Lois, Lex. And if the events in Smallville were not meant to be first great relationships, then it would not have much power and heart as a show.


              Well, that's the way the real story goes. Now mind you, even though it's a stupid disguise, I imagine it's way the hell more effective when Lois and Jimmy don't know him. Christopher Reeve made it somewhat believable for a movie, even though it clearly wouldn't work in real life for numerous reasons. I don't think anyone can really say, "It's stupid if they're disguising him in glasses, different hair, and a different personality," unless they're totally against the Superman character and only watch Smallville for Smallville. When I consider what the story is about in the first place, I have no problem dealing with the "believability" of his classic secret identity.
              What I am saying is that if you can suspend disbelief for a simple disguise, why not for a story where the other characters of Superman legend are introduced into his life much earlier?

              I really hope you're wrong about Smallville not being an origin, though, because that is near criminal.
              When I say Origin story I use it in the strictest sense of term. A distinct separate story. I don't believe Smallville was ever intended as that. It was always meant to weave the introduction of the main Superman characters into Clark's life and to give it a new perspective. Not to reveal a whole other life that Clark had before becoming Superman.

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              • #8
                Yeah, like Lyn and little Ms. Wolfie said, Smallville isn't an origin story in the strictest of terms. It IS telling the story of Clark Kent and the journey he takes towards becoming the Man of Steel, but it is not going to fit in with any other stories or any other rendition of Superman to date. Smallville doesnt' run parallel to anything in the Superman Universe. It is it's own entity.

                When Clark finally pulls on those tights and flies off to save Metropolis and the world, his future as Superman will be different from any other version we've seen. Maybe Lois WILL know that Superman is really Clark Kent. Maybe Lex and Jimmy will, too.

                You can't watch Smallville and expect it to match up with the comics or the movies or the other tv shows. It just...can't be done. No matter how hard you think. And if you think that's completely idiotic, then, honey, I don't know what show you've been watching for the past 7 years if you're just realizing this now.

                People from the Superman mythos have been popping up from the beginning so Supergirl (the REAL one) showing up was only a matter of time. Same with Zod and Lois and Bizarro.

                Now, I personally am very happy to see Kara on the show. I love Supergirl. Albeit, I didn't think they'd make her 19 years old, I'm grateful they did because older actresses are much much easier to watch than young, teenagers. And, I'm only hearing great things about Laura Vandervoort. Plus, they're finally able to do real flying scenes and this opens up new doors for action sequences and special effects and whatnot.

                So I'm very glad she's on the show, honestly.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Heather View Post
                  And if you think that's completely idiotic, then, honey, I don't know what show you've been watching for the past 7 years if you're just realizing this now.
                  Who said I just realized this now? I've found Smallville stupid for a long time, and that's only one of the reasons why.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Feminists Are Ugly View Post
                    Who said I just realized this now? I've found Smallville stupid for a long time, and that's only one of the reasons why.
                    Because your first post is as if you were just finally drawing the conclusion after suspecting it for a while.

                    Otherwise, it would seem that you are just trying to pick a fight since the main topic is actually Supergirl joining. We all love discussion and debate but the word "stupid" is pretty basic and useless when forming a position for an argument. Lets continue to try to use more descriptive words and elaborate on why you don't like elements of the show so that others can better understand your position.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Ehlwyen View Post
                      Because your first post is as if you were just finally drawing the conclusion after suspecting it for a while.
                      No, I pretty much specifically mentioned at which point I suspected it and at which point I concluded it.

                      Otherwise, it would seem that you are just trying to pick a fight since the main topic is actually Supergirl joining. We all love discussion and debate but the word "stupid" is pretty basic and useless when forming a position for an argument. Lets continue to try to use more descriptive words and elaborate on why you don't like elements of the show so that others can better understand your position.
                      I think the word "stupid" is perfectly acceptable when describing a television program I don't like on an Internet forum. Since Supergirl's arrival pertained to my grievances with using as many people as possible from the Superman mythos, I'd say I started on topic, and it then drifted into a general discussion about what I complained about. I didn't elaborate on what else I didn't like about the series after calling it stupid because, well, it has nothing to do with Supergirl, but if it's necessary, I pretty much get the vibe that I'm watching something like One Tree Hill or the OC when it's on, and neither of those programs are my cup of tea.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Feminists Are Ugly View Post
                        No, I pretty much specifically mentioned at which point I suspected it and at which point I concluded it.
                        Posing a question as an opening line led me to believe you were still contemplating the argument. I understand your position now. Fortunately, when you concluded it has little bearing on how I answered.

                        I believe that no matter when you realized it, it's a valid interesting topic point which is why I jumped into this conversation.

                        Comic book legends have always been subject to continuously being reinterpreted rather than building upon each other. That each new medium or series was to bring another retelling with the same beloved characters. The use of Origin stories is relatively new considering the age of the comic medium, and became most popular only in the last decade.

                        So from my own experience, a retelling is the more natural conception of a comic book legend as opposed an origin story. This is why I found your position so unique and worth commenting upon.


                        I think the word "stupid" is perfectly acceptable when describing a television program I don't like on an Internet forum. Since Supergirl's arrival pertained to my grievances with using as many people as possible from the Superman mythos, I'd say I started on topic, and it then drifted into a general discussion about what I complained about.
                        You are absolutely welcome to use words like stupid and silly. It's just that as a discussion progresses and general non descriptive words are used then it becomes impossible for the other side to see your point of view to either agree or disagree. So the discussion grinds to a halt.

                        I didn't elaborate on what else I didn't like about the series after calling it stupid because, well, it has nothing to do with Supergirl, but if it's necessary, I pretty much get the vibe that I'm watching something like One Tree Hill or the OC when it's on, and neither of those programs are my cup of tea.
                        I can see where you are coming from. I agree Smallville has a soapy undercurrent that many times devalues the high intensity action, allegorical topics, and general superhero coolness. Smallville has never been an elite scifi/fantasy show. I only found it fun to watch last year and definitely enjoy the direction they are heading by incorporating the legend rather than remaining with the same 'verse structure from the very beginning.

                        I think the soapy-ness is a WB holdover and that the introduction of iconic Superman characters means the show is ready to get down to business with actual plotlines that lead somewhere. Perhaps it has to do with the network change, maybe from the fact that the end is near, but I enjoy how the show is embracing more and more elements of the legend. I can't say I ever expected Supergirl to make it into the show, so I'm quite thrilled to see her and hope her inclusion sparks the show.

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                        • #13
                          Well, going away from the argument

                          Now, after seeing her and having very low standards, I loved her! I love her confusion, and humor! I love seeing her teach things and being taught. It's so nice to see her vulnerability, even though she might even be stronger than Clark! I really, really, really like Kara, and can't wait for more of her "are you Kal-El?" lines

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