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    Since this forum isn't too active I thought I would make a thread for general discussion rather than for a single episode.

    I liked the premiere. I like the idea of an on-going investigation and this cannibal thing is creepy. It made wonder if the Gravedigger will ever be addressed again; he was never caught so....

    This whole Angela husband search is weird but I like how it gives her and Jack some good scenes.

    How about Zach? Poor guy had to leave Iraq because he couldn't assimilate. I think they should give him a love interest already and help him be more than just an awkward bone guy.

    Thoughts, anyone?
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    I agree the Hodgins and Angela separate storyline was really awkward to the style of the show. Though I loved Angela's original drawing of her husband! LMAO! I knew it was coming considering her altered state but seeing it was too funny considering abstract is so not her style.

    Another change was how this episode really finished on an open ended "to be continued" note. They usually wrap things up rather than a continuing mystery. So it kept the episode at high intrigue since it didn't have to waste time on a wrap up of who and what was happening.

    I was so disappointed to see Zach return. He's always been my least favorite of the gang. And I really liked that new guy that was so close to getting the position. I think it would have been much more interesting in dynamic to have the new guy for a series of episodes and then have Zach return and them have to learn to work together. Alas, no. Just a silly and disheartening reason for Zack to be sent home from his personal journey.

    More Smithsonian forensics and anthropology and teamwork! Less personal and separate storylines! I love group dynamics!

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    • #3
      I dunno. Zach is okay. He feels very tacked on to the team. I think the writers should develop his character more. Show us why he is so socially awkward. I think he has potential as a character, we just haven't seen it yet. There is something I find endearing about; he wants Booth's approval and I like watching Booth smack him down. And I love those moments when Booth gets a glimpse of who the kid really is and understands him.

      I didn't like the new guy too much. But that's because every time I see that actor I just see him as a character he played in The X-Files. He has a peculiar was of speaking that I can't get past.
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      • #4
        Oh, I don't hate Zach or anything! It's just that he's the one I am least interested in. As well as he tried to do something different and out of his expected path, which is very adult. And then he got sent back home like a child who wasn't old enough to play. I find very sad.

        I'd love to see more dimension to him other than just the "I'm a geek, and that's just who I am," persona.

        Originally posted by Jenni Lou View Post
        There is something I find endearing about; he wants Booth's approval and I like watching Booth smack him down. And I love those moments when Booth gets a glimpse of who the kid really is and understands him.
        You know that's a very good point. I've only watched Bones as it has aired and have missed a few along the way rather than watching them back to back. So trends are kind of hard to keep up with. Though you are absolutely right! It's delightful when Booth and him interact!

        Ahh, makes me lament even more that he couldn't assimilate into the military. Seeing Zach become more like Booth while rectifying that persona with his geek self, could have been interesting.

        I didn't like the new guy too much. But that's because every time I see that actor I just see him as a character he played in The X-Files. He has a peculiar was of speaking that I can't get past.
        I didn't know that other guy from anything, but I can completely understand how a previous character overshadows the new character. LOL, and I don't think he spoke enough on the episode that I noticed it! Better off then!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Ehlwyen View Post
          Oh, I don't hate Zach or anything! It's just that he's the one I am least interested in. As well as he tried to do something different and out of his expected path, which is very adult. And then he got sent back home like a child who wasn't old enough to play. I find very sad.

          I've only watched Bones as it has aired and have missed a few along the way rather than watching them back to back. So trends are kind of hard to keep up with.
          I think I don't have a problem with him being sent back home because he was sent back--not as a child--but as someone who just didn't fit in. This is his defining characteristic, that he cannot fit in anywhere except the Jeffersonian. Being sent home is just another indication that he has to step out into the real world and learn how to develop personal relationship. Step away from the bones, boy!

          And I think it probably helped that I watched both seasons within a week of purchasing them. Everything is pretty fresh in my mind. Watching things week to week, you can lose a lot. Watching Bones this season is going to be weird since I am used to viewing it in a marathon.
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          • #6
            I have to wait until November to see Season 3 but I can't wait I hope we find out about the Gravedigger because that has been bugging me. I'm glad Zach hasn't left the show I love him. I can't wait for the Angela storyline with her husband, sounds pretty funny.
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            • #7
              Ok I started watching Bones 3 weeks ago and yesterday I caught up completely

              So many things I love about this show it's been really enjoyable watching a few episodes every day now, and now I'm not looking forward to one a week!! I love when they work on cases that relate to what's going on in their lives. The Death in the Saddle (way funny!) showing that you should love someone no matter what their darkest fantasies are. Bringing Bones back to see her Father because of it was a nice touch. It's kinda what I felt Grey's Anatomy was doing before it became more about the drama of love triangles and relationships going bad! Hopefully this show won't lose this excellent balance of clever cases, intelligent people and general goofiness!

              I love Zach, I don't know why, just the geaky naive kid is really sweet, plus I love the way he interacts with people! I know he needs to grow up and interact more with the real world but a part of me just wants the goofy kid unable to connect with anyone outside the lab! Also it took me a long time to get over the change in dynamics when Cam joined in season 2, I feel a new person at the start of season 3 would be awkward, maybe slotting someone else in later down the season would work nicely. But I don't think they could have replaced Zach for me. I just want to pitch his cheeks!!!

              I love the story line with Bones and her parents, her dad helping her find Booth and getting arrested for it was really good and I hope they continue the relationship now he's going to trial. I would like to know more about their past and how they came to be those people. The Angela husband thing I remembered from having watched it all very recently, her picture of him was really funny and it's nice her and Jack are being a bit more serious. I always felt they rushed into this a lot and didn't really know much about each other outside the lab, maybe this delaying their wedding will help them realise the reasons they should be doing this for.

              I really want to find out about the Gravedigger, that episode and the one with Epps the serial killer have been my favourite episodes outside the ones around Bones' family.

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              • #8
                Then it's not just me. I'm glad to know that others are wondering about the Gravedigger. We usually get resolution with who the killers are but this one is just left hanging and I am so curious about it! It was a really intriguing episode, even if Brennan and Hodgins weren't trapped in that car.

                I am really hoping they revisit this in s3.
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                • #9
                  Yep it's weird that they left that one hanging, I think Bones said something about leaving it up to the experts to catch him.. well we normally see Booth do that. And the same with the murders in the first episode of season 3, they caught that one guy with the diamond tooth but they agreed that there was someone else.. when I watched the second episode I expected it to carry on it felt so open to me. It's definitely unlike them so I only hope they are setting it up for another episode like they used Howard Epps twice.

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                  • #10
                    Well, I actually think they may be doing several eps on the cannibalism. It seems like they were setting up the first episode to be the first in a series of that storyline. In any case, I am sure it will come back up for at least one mo ep.
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                    • #11
                      i've heard they plan to go further with the widow's son/silver skeleton story and the gravedigger story both later in this season. along with epps and max keenan, there are several story arcs that they have done on bones that really bring the series its most depth and a bit more of a serial aspect as well as the inner relationships of the squints.

                      max is probably the most important of these (along with caroline, he's always a joy to see as a recurring character--he's always a highlight of every episode that he's in). the zz top guy playing angela's father is another i hope we see again sometime. and i've heard that david is currently working on getting an actor whom his mother always said he looked like to play his dad at some point. i'm glad they've brought in several recurring characters.

                      i wasn't all that fond of the "death in the saddle" episode except for booth's speech at the end. i admit my views on a lot of things are actually quite akin to booth's. booth is by far one of the most relatable characters on the show. and strangely enough, the other character i really relate to is zach (it's that aspergerness).

                      i really want zach to get more focus. he really needs a boost in importance like he had before. unfortunately, he kind of melted into the backdrop for a long time. i think it'd be good if he perhaps got an episode where he got to go out on a case with booth or something, instead of brennan. he needs that character boost big time.

                      whereas jack was one of my favorite characters in the last two seasons, i have not been all that impressed with the direction of his character in the last two episodes.

                      the season opener was excellent, however. the last episode was the weakest this season so far. hopefully we'll see more episodes along the lines of "the man in the fallout shelter", "two bodies in the lab", "the woman in the sand", "aliens in a spaceship" and "judas on a pole".
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by NileQT87 View Post
                        i've heard they plan to go further with the widow's son/silver skeleton story and the gravedigger story both later in this season.
                        I too have heard that they are digging (no pun intended!) more into these stories later this season. The Gravedigger one really left me wanting more I sooo loved that ep!

                        and i've heard that david is currently working on getting an actor whom his mother always said he looked like to play his dad at some point.
                        Also heard that we are going to find out more about Booth's family (his Dad and his over-acheiving brother) in this season. I reckon Booth's dad was a real stern military man, dontcha think? Whilst we're on the subject of recurring characters - how about Gordon Gordon? I would LOVE to see him return (Well you gotta love Stephen Fry!)

                        i really want zach to get more focus. he really needs a boost in importance like he had before. unfortunately, he kind of melted into the backdrop for a long time. i think it'd be good if he perhaps got an episode where he got to go out on a case with booth or something, instead of brennan. he needs that character boost big time.
                        God yes! I always thought that it would've been much better to have Brennan leave on the sabbatical with Sully for a few eps and have Zack in charge. (Not quite as predictable as her saying that she wouldn't go.) I think there's more to his story in Iraq than he's letting on, so hopefully we'll hear more about that. I liked the bit at the end of the last ep when Booth is talking about "good" sex and they show Zack and Cam as totally lonely people. It was nicely done, without overkill, to introduce more personality to them IMO.

                        the season opener was excellent, however. the last episode was the weakest this season so far. hopefully we'll see more episodes along the lines of "the man in the fallout shelter", "two bodies in the lab", "the woman in the sand", "aliens in a spaceship" and "judas on a pole".
                        The two final eps of S1 are my faves so far as they both deal with Booth's and Brennan's past respectively. In a way I'm sad that there was so much time spent on Brennan's parents last year. I agree that those were good episodes, but the mystery surrounding her parents is over and it isn't anywhere near as interesting, IMO, to see Max go to trial than Brennan trying to discover who her father was.

                        Oh and Nikki... Great to hear that you've fallen for DB's ample acting charms again, but you never mentioned any feelings towards Brooth! Are you in the mindset of "They should get together" or the "It would totally ruin the show!" mind?
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by NileQT87 View Post
                          i wasn't all that fond of the "death in the saddle" episode except for booth's speech at the end.
                          Agreed. The speech at the end makes the whole episode for me. Without that I wouldn't care for it much at all. And I really love how Brennan responds so matter-of-factly "you're right." It's nice to have a man make these sorts of romantic statements when usually they are reserved for women characters. I've actually been trying to find some screencaps of that scene so I make some fanart!


                          whereas jack was one of my favorite characters in the last two seasons, i have not been all that impressed with the direction of his character in the last two episodes.
                          I concur.



                          I'm glad to see some Zack lovin' for y'all! I think he has so much potential if only the writers would attend to him appropriately.
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                            Originally posted by ciderdrinker View Post
                            Oh and Nikki... Great to hear that you've fallen for DB's ample acting charms again, but you never mentioned any feelings towards Booth! Are you in the mindset of "They should get together" or the "It would totally ruin the show!" mind?
                            I like Booth, he's a nice character, got some dark past and now he catches murders to save people.. it did take me a long time to stop seeing him as Angel. But now I do like him and I love the way him and Bones interact. I do think at the moment them getting together would be wrong but I think they have potential at some time. I love how he looks after her and gets jealous and I love the way that comes across without the sex getting in the way. I love how they are both always interested in each other's partners! Bones going on about Tessa in season 1 was great, and Booth not really liking Scully was fun!


                            So I vote not for them getting together quite yet!

                            As for Death in the Saddle, it wasn't the best episode but I did enjoy laughing at the pony play.. those guys are nuts! Booth's speech at the end was great but it did make me think of Angel's 'Champions don't accept the world' speech which after 2 seasons of trying not to think of him as Angel.. humm! lol

                            I love Jack, and Angela, but together at this point they seem to have lost a bit of their sparkle. Zach has great potential. I can't wait to see what happens to him this season, they gotta give him some more cases now

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                            • #15
                              So I've been away for a couple of weeks and just managed to catch up on the new eppys.

                              Generally, I liked both the new episodes but more so the one with the Halloween theme. I did however love the new shrink, and how Booth totally made fun of him. Homework from Sweets - classic! Has anyone else wondered what in the hell could Booth do 12-15 times a day?

                              How cool was it that the fun of them crimefighting in costumes wasn't played for slapstick, but was so funny just to see them doing their normal jobs only dressed as Cher or Catwoman.

                              On another note I felt that these two episodes seemed to concentrate more on the job than the personal side issues and I'm a little relieved. It was good to see the gang getting back to work and talking in all their techno-babble (of which 90% I don't understand a word). Then again seeing Azura Skye pop up was great.
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                              • #16
                                My fave part of this week's ep was Brennan jumping on Booth's back to avoid the snakes!

                                Oh! And her "this gun is too big for me." That's too funny since she made a big deal about hers being bigger than his last season. I am really enjoying this season. It's one of my most looked forward to shows every week.
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                                • #17
                                  Man Jenni, let me know next time you start a season 3 Bones discussion thread!

                                  Originally posted by Jenni Lou View Post
                                  This whole Angela husband search is weird but I like how it gives her and Jack some good scenes.
                                  Lol, that was my fave part of the episode--I found it to be hilarious, esp. Angela's drawing of him! The only other good part was how excited (like a little kid!) Booth was to get Brennan out into the field--otherwise a very mediocre season opener! It's strange how they never seem to be able to get the first epp of a season right--similarly 1.1 and 2.1 were more mediocre than what came later....

                                  Originally posted by Ehlwyen View Post
                                  Another change was how this episode really finished on an open ended "to be continued" note. They usually wrap things up rather than a continuing mystery. So it kept the episode at high intrigue since it didn't have to waste time on a wrap up of who and what was happening.
                                  Meh, it wasn't very satisfying though! And the mystery doesn't seem compelling enough to be a more seasonal arc IMO....

                                  I was so disappointed to see Zach return. He's always been my least favorite of the gang. And I really liked that new guy that was so close to getting the position. I think it would have been much more interesting in dynamic to have the new guy for a series of episodes and then have Zach return and them have to learn to work together. Alas, no. Just a silly and disheartening reason for Zack to be sent home from his personal journey.
                                  Oh come on, you can't have Bones without Zack! I was so upset when they sent him off to Iraq last season, so I'm glad he was back by the middle of the first epp--he's such an important part of the dynamic, it wouldn't be the show I love without him! With whom would Hodgins compete for King of the Lab?!

                                  More Smithsonian forensics and anthropology and teamwork! Less personal and separate storylines! I love group dynamics!
                                  Wow, that's the complete OPPOSITE of me--personally it's the personal stuff (esp. B/B) that is what I'm most interested and keeps me tuned in each week--I don't really care about the cases themselves! It's their interactions I love....

                                  Originally posted by ciderdrinker View Post
                                  I too have heard that they are digging (no pun intended!) more into these stories later this season. The Gravedigger one really left me wanting more I sooo loved that ep!
                                  Supposedly the original description of the epp gave away who the murderer was, b/c originally they were going to wrap it up in one epp, but then decided to leave it open--which I think was nice b/c Brennan and Hodgins were the important part, not the case itself--so some people know already who it is (not me though)....personally I suspect the author writing about the Gravedigger, he seemed way too invested in him, the way he got all upset when Booth said the Gravedigger made a mistake, and said "The Gravedigger does NOT make mistakes!"


                                  Also heard that we are going to find out more about Booth's family (his Dad and his over-acheiving brother) in this season. I reckon Booth's dad was a real stern military man, dontcha think? Whilst we're on the subject of recurring characters - how about Gordon Gordon? I would LOVE to see him return (Well you gotta love Stephen Fry!)
                                  SO TRUE--BRING BACK GORDON GORDON!!!! I adore that man....the shrink two epps ago was okay b/c it allowed for some great scenes, but GG must take his role soon....no one knows Booth better!

                                  God yes! I always thought that it would've been much better to have Brennan leave on the sabbatical with Sully for a few eps and have Zack in charge. (Not quite as predictable as her saying that she wouldn't go.) I think there's more to his story in Iraq than he's letting on, so hopefully we'll hear more about that. I liked the bit at the end of the last ep when Booth is talking about "good" sex and they show Zack and Cam as totally lonely people. It was nicely done, without overkill, to introduce more personality to them IMO.
                                  Oh come on, there's no way Brennan could have left, you can't have Bones without Bones! Plus it's much better the way it was--stupid Gary Stu Sully sailing away and out of sight, with Booth (the one she REALLY loves) there to meet her!

                                  Oh and Nikki... Great to hear that you've fallen for DB's ample acting charms again, but you never mentioned any feelings towards Brooth! Are you in the mindset of "They should get together" or the "It would totally ruin the show!" mind?
                                  I know, I'm happy too--always awesome to have another Bones fan, esp. as there don't seem to be too many on this forum!

                                  And to quote the Facebook group, "Booth and Brennan need to get it on NOW!" Well, maybe not now, but soon--it's beginning to get ridiculous, and the too slow growth in their relationship is making it awkward and forced right now....which is sad!

                                  Originally posted by Jenni Lou View Post
                                  Agreed. The speech at the end makes the whole episode for me. Without that I wouldn't care for it much at all. And I really love how Brennan responds so matter-of-factly "you're right." It's nice to have a man make these sorts of romantic statements when usually they are reserved for women characters. I've actually been trying to find some screencaps of that scene so I make some fanart!
                                  I didn't like the speech that much....kind of felt awkward, I don't know why....but don't forget the scene of Brennan's research on horses! "Hay is for horses!" "How do you know that?!" How adorable is Brennan in that scene?! That def. made the epp for me--otherwise I found it even more disturbing that the usual gore, lol!
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                                    Whoa. That is an epic post there Katharine! I may come back when I'm not so sleepy and random!

                                    But I have been wanting to echo how much I liked that speech. Booth is halfway through it and I'm just passively listening and then it strikes me how appropriate and profound his perspective was. I was impressed and felt better for having heard it. And yes, Booth being the emotional one is definitely an interesting dynamic this show has.

                                    Originally posted by Jenni Lou View Post
                                    My fave part of this week's ep was Brennan jumping on Booth's back to avoid the snakes!

                                    Oh! And her "this gun is too big for me." That's too funny since she made a big deal about hers being bigger than his last season. I am really enjoying this season. It's one of my most looked forward to shows every week.
                                    My favorite part was Booth kicking down the haybales. Wheeeee, looked like a lot of fun!!! And hilarious might I add about him thinking outside the box and the maze's natural implied constraints.

                                    Oh and Booth's expressions at the killer clown in the amusement park were adorable!

                                    OMG that was hilarious when she said the gun was too big!

                                    This was a solid good episode and seemed to zip by. I liked the red herring of Shawn...errr...Reaper boy. It's Rider Strong, how can we not expect him to have a significant role in the episode when we see him at the first crime scene. *has watched too much Disney channel over the years*

                                    The Angela husband thing just seems to be dragging on and on for me. I guess it's cause I know that Angela could practically be divorced by now if she had just moved to Kentucky when they found out last May. Silly DC/Virginia/Maryland laws making divorces so convoluted.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by Ehlwyen View Post
                                      Whoa. That is an epic post there Katharine! I may come back when I'm not so sleepy and random!
                                      Well I had a lot to respond to, lol!

                                      My favorite part was Booth kicking down the haybales. Wheeeee, looked like a lot of fun!!! And hilarious might I add about him thinking outside the box and the maze's natural implied constraints.

                                      Oh and Booth's expressions at the killer clown in the amusement park were adorable!
                                      Oh god that was funny--everyone wondering how to get through the maze, and Booth takng the simple, direct way! And the clown thing was too cute (though that WAS one scary-ass clown!), and it's good to know there was more to his shooting the ice cream truck clown that mere frustration!

                                      I know that Angela could practically be divorced by now if she had just moved to Kentucky when they found out last May. Silly DC/Virginia/Maryland laws making divorces so convoluted.
                                      But living in DC/Maryland is so much cooler! Sorry, couldn't resist....loved that the murders took place right where I live, though as a result I knew that that part of the show was a tad off--there are no florists/shops in b/t Bethesda and Friendship Heights, just houses! And apparently Metro (not the subway! Get it right! ) has trains with rubber wheels, so there would be no metal dust on the turns....but oh well!

                                      And honestly, you're saying they'd let you divorce in Kentucky without the husband's consent? I don't see what's so convoluted about it, the convoluted part is tracking the husband down to sign the papers!
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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by sherrilina View Post
                                        Man Jenni, let me know next time you start a season 3 Bones discussion thread!
                                        Oops.

                                        Supposedly the original description of the epp gave away who the murderer was, b/c originally they were going to wrap it up in one epp, but then decided to leave it open--which I think was nice b/c Brennan and Hodgins were the important part, not the case itself--so some people know already who it is (not me though)....personally I suspect the author writing about the Gravedigger, he seemed way too invested in him, the way he got all upset when Booth said the Gravedigger made a mistake, and said "The Gravedigger does NOT make mistakes!"
                                        Really? I didn't know that! Weird. So you know who it is? I have to admit my suspicions lie mostly on the author and the negotiator. They both seems to invested and both have too much to gain from exploiting it. If it isn't either of them I would just think it was some random person we don't know about.

                                        SO TRUE--BRING BACK GORDON GORDON!!!! I adore that man....the shrink two epps ago was okay b/c it allowed for some great scenes, but GG must take his role soon....no one knows Booth better!
                                        Dude, Stephen Fry is so freakin' awesome in this role! I every scene he is in. He's just sectacular!!!


                                        I know, I'm happy too--always awesome to have another Bones fan, esp. as there don't seem to be too many on this forum!
                                        I'm glad I finally gave in and started watching cause I am huge fan now! You definitely gave me the push.
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