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    Hey

    Newarama has posted some more preview pages for 'Predators and Prey.' We saw a couple of the first pages but we have a lot more now;

    http://www.newsarama.com/php/multime...gid=865&page=2
    Thoughts;

    Ok, they can't say this only happened a year and a half after 'Chosen' now because they are referencing things that are just un-referencable. Heath Ledgers death and Daniel Craig's role in Bond are very recent, especially the Heath Ledger reference. So we have to assume season eight has happened more than a year and a half later.

    I like that Buffy states Andrew is more mature so she thinks she can handle them and bonding- that's always great to see. I'm sure she's going to get tired of him at some point but it's nice to do switcheroo with the "stop!" line there and have Buffy actually geek out with him. And wicked car Buff!

    It is pretty interesting though that Buffy snarks about all the things Simone has done which includes bank robbery.. When Buffy’s guilty of that as well. Perhaps even after pondering the ramifications of it in ‘A Beautiful Sunset’ she still believes hers was more justified than Simone’s antics.

    Simone seems like a very bad seed in deed, being vicious and kicking innocent people out of their home? It’s so unfortunate someone like her is the one who gets remembered and is going to cause strife for the slayers public image whereas the Buffy decoy who we saw in ‘The Chain’ get no attention for heroics whilst all the other slayers praised Simone, died a hero and no one will ever know.

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  • #2
    Well, this answers my question of how Harmony's reality show got going so quickly (reality shows are filmed the summer or fall before they start airing). BtVS season 8 isn't a fall/winter/spring season like usual. It's more prolonged. This would make the Daniel Craig and Heath Ledger references make sense. This story is happening over a longer period of time than usual.

    We're now in early 2008 (Heath died on January 22, 2008). This could be late 2006 (Casino Royale), 2007 (which would give us time for Harmony to be discovered, the reality show to be filmed and for it to start airing for a while) and now early 2008.
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    • #3
      Oh so your theorising that when the season began it was only a year and a half after 'Chosen' but throughout the season it's been a very long time? Interesting.

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      • #4
        There was little too much text, I skipped the whole Andrew geek talk in those three panels. And I just knew that this would happen when Buffy said that she could travel with Andrew because he was more mature. That joke was too easy.

        Simone is terrible, I mean Faith and Gigi had some redeeming qualities/reasons. Simone is just that weird pink punk that likes to mess around in an awful way.

        The big time gap between Ats and BtVS is maybe a good idea. No matter what happens in LA will really influence BtVS and vice versa. Although I'm not sure if it's really an idea or just something that happened. But the scoobies are now 26 years old, aren't they?

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        • #5
          The time stuff makes sense if we're seeing lots of time pass during the comics, yup.

          I just LOVE Andrew's references here. Loving the Fat!Lee jokes. Cruel, but so Andrew. And Buffy and Andrew agreeing over Daniel Craig. And the Count who wants to get in Andrew's pants but Andrew doesn't notice. And Don Draper! I wonder if Andrew will start smoking to be like him...?


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          • #6
            It would be more fun if Andrew was talking about Pete Campbell. Of course Connor talking about Pete would be an absolute highpoint.

            Buffy is a searched terrorist isn't she? How the hell did she get on a plane?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Nina View Post
              Buffy is a searched terrorist isn't she? How the hell did she get on a plane?
              The organisation have their own plane, we see it in 'Time of Your Life' and 'Wolves At The Gate.' Remember Willow makes a snark about it and Buffy says that they do have some legitimate funding.

              And I'm not sure if Buffy actually is a searched terrorist. The faction of the government seemed to be working rather shadily so I'm not sure the US government actually wants her found, after all if they did they knew where the castle in Scotland was all along. Buffy going subterranean seems more about wanting to get out of the public eye rather than hiding from the authorities. At this stage I think the world is still deciding what to do about it, I don’t think she’s been labelled a wanted criminal as of yet.

              My hopes for a Buffy/Simone confrontation is that Buffy kicks the crap out of her in front of her team. Simone loved the attention she got in 'The Chain' for how impressive she was with the sword, it'd be good to see her humiliated when she seems so eager to make a big name outta herself.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Nina View Post
                It would be more fun if Andrew was talking about Pete Campbell. Of course Connor talking about Pete would be an absolute highpoint.

                Buffy is a searched terrorist isn't she? How the hell did she get on a plane?
                I don't think Andrew would worship Pete though - he's over his bastard phase I think, now he's over Warren.

                Maybe they went by chopper?


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                • #9
                  The plane doesn't look like a private plane. That's why I think that she is sitting on a regular plane, they also travel by train (I doubt that they have their own plane).

                  I don't know, if I was one of the most hated persons on earth and labeled asa terrorist, I wouldn't use public planes and trains. But maybe it's not all that bad yet.

                  Originally posted by Wolfie Gilmore View Post
                  I don't think Andrew would worship Pete though - he's over his bastard phase I think, now he's over Warren.
                  Well it's not like Don is so much better than Pete, Don is just way cooler than Pete. Although I doubt that anyone would wear Pete's clothes. The white mini shorts still freak me out.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Nina View Post
                    The plane doesn't look like a private plane. That's why I think that she is sitting on a regular plane, they also travel by train (I doubt that they have their own plane).
                    They definitely have their own private jet. In 'Time of Your Life' Xander says the helicopter will take them to the "air strip" and then we cut to Buffy/Willow on their private jet with Willow commenting on it. And in ‘Wolves At The Gate’ they have an aircraft bringing all the slayers to Tokyo for the showdown, so they have a pretty big jet by the looks of things. I dunno, I think the image of the plane could pass off as a private jet, Angel had one at Wolfram and Hart?

                    I don't know, if I was one of the most hated persons on earth and labeled asa terrorist, I wouldn't use public planes and trains. But maybe it's not all that bad yet.
                    Well it's very possible that she's using a fake passport and rail pass. I'm sure that's not hard for the organisation to do, Giles whipped one up for Faith in 'NFFY.'

                    Has Buffy being specifically pointed out in all this though? We have a lot of hate on for slayers in general but I don't think Buffy's been named specifically.. yet.

                    And I think this issue is more evidence that Andrew *is* useful, he's found Simone, he knows about Nisha, got to give him props for all this stuff.
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                    • #11
                      They might not *own* the private jet, it could have been chartered. Owning a Gulfstream V isn't something that's cheap, let alone crewing and maintaining it. Of course, it's just as likely that it's also piloted by Slayers and communicates with air-traffic towers staffed by Slayers...

                      Of course, the C-130 is harder to explain, but such a thing could be chartered as well, I guess, from the WHO, perhaps, or a private security firm like Blackwater, which probably has their own.

                      I think they're travelling commercially to keep a low profile, even if they have to use fake passports (and who can do a better job faking a passport than their witches?). It also tells us that Buffy probably won't have the Scythe in this issue, other than the cover -- she'd never check it through and declare it with customs.

                      We don't really know the "status" of the Slayers yet. I mean, actual terrorists in the actual world move about pretty freely, and it's one thing for Harmony or somebody on the news to call them terrorists and for them to officially be categorized as such (were they?). But I don't think Buffy's name would be a secret -- not only does Harmony know, but the organization itself has done plenty of work to shore up Buffy's very visible position through the decoy. Odds are, if "Buffy Summers" is ever arrested, it'll be the decoy in Rome that gets picked up.
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                      • #12
                        I think they're travelling commercially to keep a low profile, even if they have to use fake passports (and who can do a better job faking a passport than their witches?).
                        As you say, I'm not sure Buffy summers herself is widely known except by dodgy Twilighty government agencies. But I think that magicked passports should be easy, or Willow could pull that trick she did on the Sunnydale police, the jedi mind trick, to get them through customs.


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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by vampmogs View Post

                          Ok, they can't say this only happened a year and a half after 'Chosen' now because they are referencing things that are just un-referencable. Heath Ledgers death and Daniel Craig's role in Bond are very recent, especially the Heath Ledger reference. So we have to assume season eight has happened more than a year and a half later.
                          Makes the gap between the Angel and Buffy comics even huger... and that's sort of a problem for crossovers...
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                          • #14
                            Joss said long ago that he and his writers would play fast and loose with pop culture references. The references are for the readers in the present and don't have any impact on the time of the story. I think we should keep with the assumption that it's early 2005-ish in the story until we see a different date. Which we won't, because, as Joss said at the outset, Buffy is now on comic book time - all references to specific times and dates must be avoided.

                            As to the preview: So much Andrew goodness that it actually makes me scared. You've got Andrew being quality awesome (getting the lead, making the plan, saving a Count, getting a convertible, etc) and being quality geeky (Battlestar!, V for Vendetta, playing D&D with Giles, Mad Men, Superman vs. a Jedi) and seeming to get genuine friendship and sympathy from Buffy. This is the best Andrew has ever been (and he's always been great.)

                            So...that means that Joss is going to destroy him soon. Either he'll die, or he'll betray Buffy, or something.

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                            • #15
                              Pop culture reffrences have always been a huge part of Buffy, they're there for the audience to enjoy, not say anything about when a comic is "set". I mean seriously when are the Batman comics supposed to be "set"? They started in the 1930s and are still going strong today in 2008. That's a good seventy plus years, no doubt with refrences ranging from WWII to 9/11. That's a long time for Bruce Wayne to be in his mid-thirties. It works because like XavierZone said, it's comic book time. If the Buffy comics continue for another twenty years, the scoobies will stay in thier mid-twenties, but the setting and pop culture reffrences will stay current with the audiencs. So to try to nail down what year the comics are taking place in is pretty much impossible and kinda silly.

                              As for the preview, I can't wait to see Buffy's confrontation with Simone. I loved Andrew's geek moments, and like Nina said: it was pretty easy to see it coming. It was still awesome though. The James Bond references were a great callback to Anywhere but Here and also to season six. It looks like Daniel Craig has replaced Timothy Dalton as Andrew's favourite Bond. It would be awesome if they refrenced or parrodied Christian Bale's crybaby Terminator 4 rant.

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                              • #16
                                Actually it is possible that Buffy is set in his time. It was stated that it was a year and a half after chosen, but it is possible that it is set 4 years later. I mean it could be likely that Season 8 started in october 2007 and is now in march 2008.

                                I assure you that Buffy will never have a sliding timeline. It would ruin the years of Buffy that was on TV.

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                                • #17
                                  Just that is the problem I perceive there. Other than Batman, Buffy started out as a TV show with a very clear timeline.
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                                  • #18
                                    Yeah I think a timeline is needed to. Though I don't suspect the season will ever give us one, we'll have to work that one out for ourselves. But I do think it's important we have one.

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                                    • #19
                                      Maybe it gets clear when Angel or Spike shows up? It's less complicated to cross over now the series aren't happening in the same year anymore. But I guess that the Ats/Sts writers want to know when something happens.

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by Nina View Post
                                        Maybe it gets clear when Angel or Spike shows up? It's less complicated to cross over now the series aren't happening in the same year anymore. But I guess that the Ats/Sts writers want to know when something happens.
                                        I would think it'd be harder. We'd be seeing a future Angel/Spike then a present Angel/Spike in their own series which seems weird to me..

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