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  • Is Season Eight Doing the Show Justice?

    I was just wondering what everyone thought about how Season Eight is doing so far. I know it meets my approval, and hopefully everyone else's living in the Buffyverse, but do you think that we should have left the show with Season Seven, or even Season Five?

    I have to admit, Season Six and Season Seven were nowhere near as good as some of the previous seasons had been, and the S7 Finale left me a bit disapointed. But we take whatever we get right!

    Anyways, for me, i was a bit worried about the comics would play out after the show to me had seemed dust. I was ecstatic to hear the show would be resurrected again, but at the end of Chosen they made it seem to me like Omg Buffy everyone is a slayer now you can live a happy life! Yay! Not so much...

    Although I am very happy with another season of Buffy, she really could have retired. I mean yes, there would be hundreds of superpowered girls all over the world going crazy but Buffy didn't really have to be in charge of all of them. Throughout the show we learn of all the secret Goverment organizations and groups around the world that are aware of the monsters roaming the darkness, couldn't other people have handled it? I mean, I'm sure Buffy had some say in it to keep playing her role as the almighty Chosen but still, her story could have just ended their.

    I am always greatful for more doses of Buffy, as we're all Buffyholics here but part of me thinks they should have left it the way it was. But i dunno that is just my opinion.

    Anyways, I would love to here what they think about Season Eight and if it is doing the show justice, or if it should have remained buried.

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    I've to know the payoff, to decide if this season was a good one. (The first half of season 2 is also no indication of the second half, or what about Ats season 5; the second half redeemed the terrible start.). I can only hope that season 8 is better than season 7, because that one did the show no justice at all. Right now I still have to make up my mind about the season. There are things I really like, but also enough things that bother me.
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    • #3
      I have to agree with Nina, a lot of season 8 depends on the payoff. At the moment it has a lot of potential but that potential needs to be delivered upon before we can properly judge the season.

      AS for finishing at season 5 I say hell no! Season 6 is my favourite season (Dark Willow for the win.)
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      • #4
        Well as I personally can take of leave season 8, but I have to agree with the comments above in that folks can't really tell how this series will shape up until 'the fat lady sings' and we've read the entire thing.

        So far I'm just not loving it. It still reads like some kind of bad crackfic to me, but I know others are loving it, so there ya go.

        This will probably be lost on some, but Buffy season 8 seems to be turning out to be the Marmite of the Buffyverse, in that fans seem to either love it or hate it.

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        • #5
          I'm currently frustrated with the season - the time travel/dream stuff of the past arc and the latest issue has been a bit of an interruption to the forward movement for me. I was interested in what was going on in the here and now, and taking the arc away from that is just a little irritating really. But as people have been saying, it's hard to judge until it's all wrapped up. So perhaps it will prove part of a larger picture that will hold together in the end? I'm not sure, but there's definitely been some great stuff in the season so I suppose... wait and see? Mostly I'm enjoying it more than season 7 so far.


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          • #6
            "Crackfic" is a ready way to see "I don't like the way the story is going", mostly -- whatever Season 8 is, it's not "S&M pornfic" (Season 6) or "Speechfic" (Season 7). I think this season does a helluva lot more to capture the tone of the series in the first five seasons. Buffy, for instance, actually emotes. We get the benefit of getting her thoughts now, but even when she's having a rough time, it's nice to have an emotionally engaged, emotionally reflective Buffy again.
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            • #7
              I think this season does a helluva lot more to capture the tone of the series in the first five seasons.
              No, it doesn't for me by any stretch of the imagination. IMO If the first few seasons the show had been like that I would have stopped watching pretty darn quickly.

              "Crackfic" is a ready way to see "I don't like the way the story is going", mostly -- whatever Season 8 is, it's not "S&M pornfic"
              Oh yes, yes, please forgive me of course thats what I meant to write all long. How could I have missed typing that?!!

              Thank you so, so much for pointing that out hun. Once again I don't know where I'd be without you translating my posts for me.
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              • #8
                Long, long ago back in the beginning days of me joining BF I started a thread pretty similar to this one, minus the comics. I am one to think the show would have been perfect had it been left at season 5. It was wrapped up, complete, and made sense that the entire show would end on her death because that's all the show ever really talked about when it came to the slayer. Her journey ends with her death. The Gift was the perfect ending to the show, period. Granted, I love season 6 so if it had ended there we wouldn't have gotten the season which would've been disappointing. And frankly, I don't need to say anything about season 7. Craptastic. I like very few episodes from that season. Lesson's is probably the only one I can stand to watch multiple times. I despise Chosen, so yeah, season 5 would have been a great ending. I'm not a fan of season 8. For me it does sort of seem like a fanfic. I know that's not a popular opinion but it just doesn't do the show justice for me. I pretty much only hold season 8 with a grain of salt. I don't take it too seriously and I don't really consider it an actual season tbh. In my head, the series ended with Chosen. The comics are just a little bonus that don't make a lot of sense sometimes.
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                • #9
                  I think the comics are doing all sorts of justice to the show!
                  It's layered, complex, tightly written, tightly paced, and fun as hell.

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                  • #10
                    It's too soon for me to tell yet. I'm keen to find out the identity of 'Twilight' - I think that his/her role in the story may well be pivotal for me. The character of the big villain of the series has been important to the suspense and resonance of the story being told. So far, 'Twilight' seems pretty interesting, but will they be after the big reveal ?

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                    • #11
                      Oh yes, Twilight is a gigantic factor this season. If it's the wrong person with/or the wrong background story, the whole season is doomed. I'm still scared that they will go with the big shock reveal which would destroy a character just for the cheap moment of shock (I'm talking about characters like Giles, Xander, Angel ... ). Also the chance that it will be a gigantic anti-climax is there.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by XavierZane View Post
                        I think the comics are doing all sorts of justice to the show!
                        It's layered, complex, tightly written, tightly paced, and fun as hell.
                        I'm tempted to say are you reading the same comic as me then love?

                        The whole Twilight arc is the only thing that I'm even remotely still invested in, and so what/who he will turn out to be is a big factor for me too.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by sueworld View Post
                          Oh yes, yes, please forgive me of course thats what I meant to write all long. How could I have missed typing that?!
                          Not really anything else to make of it, when nobody that just labels it "crackfic" or the like deigns to explain exactly why it's "crackfic", what about it is so completely out of the Buffy idiom that it is nothing but a parody of it. We know Giant Dawn isn't, since Joss has *explicitly said* that is *exactly* what the Buffy idiom is when he has no budget limitations. By extension, we know Mecha-Dawn isn't, since it's *exactly* the sort of pop culture humor that laces nearly every single episode of the televised seasons.

                          What does it even take to be "crackfic"? Complete disregard for established events and characterization? Hmmm... but more than a few accusers of Season 8 as "crackfic" are slash fans. Nothing is "crackier" by that definition than slash. So what is the "crackfic" of Season 8? Joss himself and a look at his own work tells what's *not* "crack" about Season 8 -- Dawn's changes, the battle in Tokyo. So... what is the "crack"?

                          Holypotatoes, I disagree about "The Gift" -- it was just too dang down to end the entire series on. If there was a truly appropriate ending to "Buffy" that's already gone by, it was "Graduation, Part II".
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                          • #14
                            We know Giant Dawn isn't, since Joss has *explicitly said* that is *exactly* what the Buffy idiom is when he has no budget limitations.
                            Thank god for limited TV budgets then. As others have said before me, maybe another case of just because you can, doesn't mean you should?

                            What does it even take to be "crackfic"? Complete disregard for established events and characterization? Hmmm... but more than a few accusers of Season 8 as "crackfic" are slash fans. Nothing is "crackier" by that definition than slash
                            Now, now, you're doing it again hun. For your information many of the fans online who have 'issues' with season 8 are not slash fans (not that has anything to do with anything of course) but more to do with that they find the storylines too 'out there' for their tastes and that they find the characterization odd compared to the TV counterparts.

                            As one poster said on my lj today "I just don't recognize the characters in the comics as my beloved TV characters. Even after taking into account the difference of the medium"

                            But It's wonderful that many love this comic book, especially at a time when comic companies are trying to claw in more people into the medium, and that fans of the Buffyverse they have new adventures to follow.

                            It's also great that we as fans are free to follow the comic or to simply ignore it.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by sueworld View Post
                              As one poster said on my lj today "I just don't recognize the characters in the comics as my beloved TV characters. Even after taking into account the difference of the medium"

                              But It's wonderful that many love this comic book, especially at a time when companies are trying to claw in more people into the medium, and that they have new adventures to folow.

                              It's also great that we as fans are free to follow the comic or to simply ignore it.
                              No more or less free than they are to follow or to simply ignore Season 4, Season 6, Season 7, Season 1, or any of the 8 equally legitimate canon seasons thus far. It's not really the unexplained criticisms (your LJ poster providing yet another -- can't recognize the characters, but declines to explain where or how not) as much as its the medium specific attitude that amongst the eight seasons, *only* Season 8 can be specially ignored by the audience, but we're all just stuck with the UPN seasons or the post-high school seasons. They're either all "optional" or none of them are.

                              What I'd love is for anyone, if they really believe Season 8 doesn't "do justice" to the televised seasons, to walk me through their case. Is it the characters? If so, how? Is it the story arc so far? If so, how? We never get this. Nobody owes anybody that explanation, sure, as we all live in somewhat to mostly free countries, but, hey, are they even reading it? Do we know, if they don't offer some sort of detail?
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                              • #16
                                Nobody owes anybody that explanation, sure, as we all live in somewhat to mostly free countries
                                No they don't do they.

                                *ETA*

                                Here's the posters full comment to me

                                As much as I wanted to see the show carried on in the comics (even if it meant not in the way I wanted, ie Spuffy forever), this sadly has not happened. I just don't recognise the characters in the comics as my beloved TV characters. Even after taking into account the difference of the medium, they don't feel real to me... and since there are several fanfictions out there which have been much better at expressing the core personality of the characters as in the TV show I don't think the problem is in the different medium but rather in what Joss wanted to do with these characters and it seems to me that the answer is that he wanted to change them into something else, perhaps something that is more suited to the comics mode of storytelling, I don't know. I try to imagine how the stories in the comics would have appeared on the screen and the resulting image just does not match... as the aliens in that old film "The Invasion of the Body Snatchers", they look like the people in the Buffyverse but they are not. That said, I don't feel the same rupture between Angel and the AFT comics (although I find the plots excessively complicated...)and I'm much more inclined to see them as "canon", again on an emotional, personal level.
                                To be frank I think whatever anyone says you'd probaly 'poo poo it' so it would be pretty pointless exercise really and many online cant be arsed to spend any more time discussing the topic, apart from a very brief explanation of the whys and wherefores of what they don't like such as above.
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                                • #17
                                  But they can certainly be "arsed" to drop into virtually every Season Eight thread and just pop off a few airy dismissals as if those dismissals are supposed to be taken as some deep, well-thought-out critique. Sorry, but terms like "crackfic" and "daft" doesn't really inspire much confidence in those critics' opinions, particularly when those same critics offer genuine fanfic as their standard as to how the stories should read. If there's any fanfic out there that really captures the characters or the show better than Joss's own work, I'd certainly like to read some of them, because so far, I haven't seen any. I've certainly seen my share of such that captured what the fanfic writers thought the characters should be, but speaking of crackfic...
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                                  • #18
                                    Sorry love, I don't always think that you need a twenty eight page essay to explain somebody's own personal taste in writing. Just like art and humour we all have different tastes and see matters differently.

                                    Some are just going to have to learn to accept that fact and stop getting their knickers in a twist when not everyone subscribes to their view of the world.

                                    Oh and If you remember correctly the owner of this thread was asking for opinions on season 8,

                                    Anyways, I would love to here what they think about Season Eight and if it is doing the show justice, or if it should have remained buried.
                                    So I was responding to that. Okay?
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                                    • #19
                                      If you can accept that as soon as movie is on the way, S8 will be tossed like the rubbish/crackfic it is. Then I find it amusing to follow.

                                      Other then that... its the same stuff from previous JW failed projects in a packaged form that isn't as prone to falling apart and getting canned. But it might end up that way regardless.
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                                      • #20
                                        There is no movie in development. No talks between Joss and the studio. No talks between Joss and the cast. No script being written. No feelers going out to cast members. Nothing. At all. Anywhere. There is no movie. There is not *going* to be a movie. Season 8 would probably be complete before any serious discussion of a movie would even take place. By the time a movie could even seriously be discussed, you'd either have to recast and reset, or you'd need to set it post-Season 8 just to have the same actors play the parts.
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