Buffy Issue #17 Preview

[vampmogs]

Hey

We got a new preview for Issue #17 of 'Time of Your Life' and it drops hint at the woman who's waited 200 years in the future is. Firstly though, I find it....odd. We just finished Issue #16 and this is a preview for 'Part Two' and yet.. it feels as if Buffy and Fray have been hanging out for a while? Not what I expected? Here's the link;

http://community.livejournal.com/new...13.html#cutid1

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So I'm thinking it's most likely Dru, with the dark hair, living for 200 years, speaking in riddles and being called a 'mad woman' BUT it could possibly be a mis-direct given Jo Chen's cover of Dark Willow. Dark Willow also has dark hair, has 'great power' and it's possible she's had enough power to live for this long but it's made her insane. Who knows, maybe we're supposed to think it is Dru then WHAM, Dark Willow.

But anyone else feel it's odd that Buffy and Fray have been hanging out for a while?

Enjoy

Vampmogs

EDIT: Oh god. silly me, that's not Buffy who Fray is with God I'm dumb, I thought it looked quite different from Mollie's Buffy of the previous issue.. ok that explains a lot. God. I really need to re-read Fray

[ciderdrinker]

EDIT: Oh god. silly me, that's not Buffy who Fray is with God I'm dumb, I thought it looked quite different from Mollie's Buffy of the previous issue.. ok that explains a lot. God. I really need to re-read Fray

Yeah I think Fray calling the blonde woman 'sis' kinda clinched it for me!!

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I'm still thinking Dru, but maybe you're right there is a twist to come...

[vampmogs]

Yeah I think Fray calling the blonde woman 'sis' kinda clinched it for me!!

I re-read it and saw that and literally slapped myself on the forehead with a big "wow..you're a dumbass" And then frankly posted on here to correct myself to maintain any credibility whatsoever

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I'm still thinking Dru, but maybe you're right there is a twist to come...

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I was thinking that maybe Joss has organised the release for this preview and the Darth Rosenberg cover with his own intentions here. What if, now bare with me here- the mis-direct is that it really is Dru? The fans see this description think "too easy can't be Dru" look at Chen's stunning cover of Willow, and think it's Willow, but the mis-direct is that it isn't Willow but it is Dru. I mean why have a cover hiding the mysterious woman's face if you're going to reveal her identity with Chen's cover? It don't make sense.

But both work, it sounds a hell of a lot like Dru but also fit’s the description of Willow and with some creatively one could imagine that she could go insane.. That’s why it’s frustrating ‘cause I just want to know

[NileQT87]

some thoughts:

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giles is going to sacrifice himself while battling at starbucks? :'(

i'm backing the dru is the almost-3-and-a-half-century-old madwoman that would be found in the watchers' diaries--and especially since she's in with all the lurks/vampires like harth, it makes more sense.

i really wish it were angel and spike who were the ones to deal with drusilla, though. grr. honestly, buffy doesn't have much connection to dru other than they've both had the same guys. well, i guess that would be a connection. or just the fact that buffy actually knows SOMEBODY in the future. probably not the vampire she'd most like to run into, but a connection nevertheless.

wonder what fray is going to think when she reads further in giles' diaries--buffy, faith and fray are all unorthodox slayers, but buffy's the one known for her relationships with vampires. i'd imagine that fray, like gunn and xander, would have issues because of harth being a vampire. faith, while she hasn't, wouldn't have a problem with it ("you boinked the undead" aside) and was quite open for it ("i was thinking more like a long weekend"). fray probably has bigger issues with lurks than the other unorthodox slayers we've known.

it'll be interesting if fray has tension with buffy over family-turned-vampire issues.

[vampmogs]

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giles is going to sacrifice himself while battling at starbucks? :'

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Do you think that's who they were refereing to? Because.. damn, poor Giles

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i really wish it were angel and spike who were the ones to deal with drusilla, though. grr. honestly, buffy doesn't have much connection to dru other than they've both had the same guys. well, i guess that would be a connection. or just the fact that buffy actually knows SOMEBODY in the future. probably not the vampire she'd most like to run into, but a connection nevertheless.

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Personally, I'm glad Dru would show up in season eight instead of 'After the Fall.' I don't think they could make it work that Dru just happened to be in LA at the time it was sent to Hell. The same way Kate was, the same way Groo is there ect. Angel ran into Kate constantly when she was a character on the show, I ignore it because her story was great, but really it doesn't make sense she didn't create ripples or run into Angel again since her final appearance in 'Epiphany.' Same goes for Dru, especially after the commotion she caused last time she made an appearance in LA.

And really, I'm glad it'll be Buffy who she can form a connection with, although a bitter one. The only way they'll work on it is by giving it the opportunity to develop, after all nor Angel or Spike had a connection with Buffy until they were given the opportunities to have a story together, has to start at some time. And I've always been interested in fleshing out some interaction between Buffy/Darla and Buffy/Dru when Buffy/Angel and Buffy/Spike have been done to death. There's untapped potential there. Dru's had plenty of time on Ats, I wouldn't mind seeing a story revolved around Buffy VS Dru, the vamp who murdered Kendra, without Spike or Angel getting in the way.

[Wolfie Gilmore]

I'm loving the idea of

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Dru in season 8. I've long wanted her to have more facetime with Buffy. They're such a perfect antagonistic pair - quite a lot in common (visions, boyfriends, a quirky way of looking at the world, the odd bit of insanity...or lot of insanity) - and they'd just look so cool fighting. Really hope it is her.

Just struck me, and this isn't particularly spoilerish, who Fray reminds me of - Lyra in His Dark Materials. The thief who talks funny thing.

[Nina]

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I did never read Fray, but is Molly her sister or best friend? I hope that we will get more hints from Fray about what happens in our time.

I'm still not on the "it's Dru" bandwagon. Somehow it is too easy, he already used Amy, Warren, Ethan and Dracula ... how much familiar faces he is going to use in the first half of the season?

Of course, it sounds like Dru ... but somehow between our time and Fray's time will every demon, everything magical leave the world. And somehow I doubt that Dru will find a way to survive, besides ... how does she know that Buffy is there and why should she wait for all those time to kill her. I'm still betting on Willow who will probably find out about Buffy's trip to Fray, when Buffy returns. And if Willow survives whatever stops the magic and demons, she can get out of it as a lunatic ... just like Dalek Caan in DW who saw everything because he went trough a timelock. If Willow plays with time or portals, she can survive but become a complete nutcase.


And about the last great watcher, that must be Giles or Xander ... I doubt that they will talk about Wesley in BtVS in such words and that leaves us with the real watcher (Giles) and the man who is watching right now (Xander).

[sueworld]

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If it does turn out to be Dru I'll be disappointed. Mainly because it's not like Joss to be so blatant with the 'hints' as to who it's meant to be. I'm still in the camp that he's building the readership up towards thinking it's going to be Dru, only for them to discover it is in fact Willow who's gone 'grade A bonkers' for some reason.

[Breathless]

Uum, the watcher Fray is talking about is named Gates, not Giles. And also, it seems to me as she is saying to her sister: "You really set to share a flat with Gates?" when her sister askes her to move in with her, that the spider-monkey-thing is the last watcher she was referring to. Maybe he sacrificed himself and ended up in the shape of the monkey-thing?

[dinamo]

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What if its both Dru and Dark Willow. Dru is the one there, but she got help from Dark Willow or something to stay around so long, and maybe a bit more pwoerful.

[Wolfie Gilmore]

Uum, the watcher Fray is talking about is named Gates, not Giles. And also, it seems to me as she is saying to her sister: "You really set to share a flat with Gates?" when her sister askes her to move in with her, that the spider-monkey-thing is the last watcher she was referring to. Maybe he sacrificed himself and ended up in the shape of the monkey-thing?

I think the monkey is just named after a watcher named "Gates"... but assuming that the name is a corruption. Though, 200 years (is that the distance to Fray?) seems rather a short space of time for the Giles myth to be that altered, to the degree that his name is changed.

[NileQT87]

but we have terms like "'merican", "lurks" and "haddyn". fray hadn't even heard of vampires, i don't think. something obviously has happened where the language has morphed beyond what you'd assume to happen in 200 years. honestly, we can understand things today just fine that were written circa 1800. it's more flourished with some spelling and grammar changes, but pretty obvious english for the most part. fray's time has a lot more corrupted words than between us and 200 years ago, imo.

fray's sister, btw, is named erin. she's a police officer. her twin brother, the 15-year-old vampire, is harth. fray was 19 in her comic run. melaka fray has the slayer powers and harth got the slayer visions.

"gates" sounds like a fray-time corruption of "giles".

also... the watchers' diaries? notoriously BAD. giles' books were often the worst (and wesley seemed to get everything right--down to when angelus was in prussia off the top of his head). miss post's comment about giles' books probably was accurate. spike being 200 years old and angel being 18 and human in 1775 come to mind.

and for the non-giles records, one of the comics that has rather been retroactively made canon (the yuki makimura one), has a bit about how when the watchers' council removed yuki from the timeline, they just left the 2-year span blank without adjusting the timeline to hide the empty slot.

[-beardo-]

If they kill Drusilla of in this story they can still bring her back. This story is set in the future so there is nothing saying that drusilla won't appear in ny issues of after the fall or future seasons of buffy.

[stormwreath]

Given that the whole story is about temporal disturbances and time paradoxes and things, it's quite possible that this arc will have Buffy and Fray and Willow trying to find a way to reset time, so at the end of the arc everything will be restored back to the way it was at the beginning, and nothing will have changed.

Which means the missile will have yet to be fired at the castle, and there'll be time to take countermeasures or at least evacuate first... and if Drusilla or Dark Willow is killed in one timeline, they'll still be around in the other.

[Koos]

I think it is Dark Willow and not Druc. The vampire was referring to the dark haired one and manwoman, which can be both. But the vampire was also referring to Black Hope and I don't see any reason why they would call Dru the Black Hope, while I completely understand it for Dark Willow.

[CaptainOats]

I think it is Dark Willow and not Druc. The vampire was referring to the dark haired one and manwoman, which can be both. But the vampire was also referring to Black Hope and I don't see any reason why they would call Dru the Black Hope, while I completely understand it for Dark Willow.

I have to agree with Koos. I think Drusilla is to simple. And the information that is given, makes sense if they were talking about Dark Willow. We shall find out soon enough...

[ThePoet's<3]

Here's another vote for Dark Willow. I just don't think Drusilla has a place in Buffy anymore. If she were to come back it would probably be in Angel: ATF because of her connection to the two vamps. And seems she would be more interested in Spike's new soul and the damage she could cause there than Buffy and the Scoobies.

Nile - I like your conversation about whether Fray will have issues dealing with vampires. She does seem more "anti-vampire". However, as you mentioned she does have problems with her brother being a vampire. I would think it might actually serve as a connection between she and Buffy.

[lara]

Originally posted by ThePoet's<3
Here's another vote for Dark Willow. I just don't think Drusilla has a place in Buffy anymore. If she were to come back it would probably be in Angel: ATF because of her connection to the two vamps. And seems she would be more interested in Spike's new soul and the damage she could cause there than Buffy and the Scoobies.

Count my vote too, I totally agree with you poet. I love Dru, really, think she's a great character but I don't think she should be on Buffy, she should be making things difficult for Angel or Spike.

Plus Dark Willow would be far more interesting, that story can be so much more explored. I wonder though how is it that is would be possible for Willow to go back to the dark place, 'cause last time we saw in Chosen she was all pure and white and shiny. I thought that maybe she had been cleaned somehow by the power of the scythe.

[vampmogs]

I'm hearing a lot of people saying that Dru has a connection with Angel and Spike and therefore would be better suited to 'After the Fall' but I don't really get why? If the writers have that attitude they'd never expand any relationships. I mean the only reason Buffy has a connection with Angel or Spike is because the writers made it this way, why can't they do the same with Buffy/Dru? Wouldn't it be kinda neat to build a new connection rather than relying on the same ones? Buffy/Angel/Spike Dru/Angel/Spike ect.

[Sacred Knight]

Haha, fun easter egg here.

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Fray jumping out of the vehicle and Buffy looking over remarking "Does she always have to do that" is almost exactly like the scene in Attack of the Clones when Anakin leaps out of the car and Obi-Wan looks over the side muttering "I hate it when he does that."

As for the madwoman, it definitely sounds like Dru, but I'll wait and see. I won't be disappointed, though. If anything if it is Dru, it just makes Dark Willow's inclusion in this storyline all the more intriguing as no one would be able to guess where it fits in yet.