8.06 "No Future For You", Part I Discussion thread

[KingofCretins]

Wanted to go ahead and get the discussion thread started, and I'll lead it off with something spoilery.

Brian K. Vaughan gave an interview to Wizard where he talked about the arc, and it included another new preview page from Issue #6.

Spoiler:

From the black border, we've learned that we can already assume this is probably a dream... but, yet again, it appears to be Buffy's. Anybody going to use Amy as an excuse this time?

Buffy's New Dream Panel

[vampmogs]

Holy Crap!

Ok well now I'm convinced Bander is happening, and from past experience we know that when Buffy gets a new love interest their shirts start coming off a lot more

Is it typical for the black border to be a dream though? I'm unfamiliar with comics in general but I didn't realise this. Is it possible this could be real?

As far as everything else, well I'm just glad to see a panel with Buffy and Xander on it. I know this is Faith's arc and I can't wait to see her again and deal with her own issues but I'm still really into the scoobies and don't want them to be ignored too much. I know the writers have said that the Twilight story will be advanced so that will be great.

[Wolfie Gilmore]

Holy Crap!

Ok well now I'm convinced Bander is happening, and from past experience we know that when Buffy gets a new love interest their shirts start coming off a lot more

And, damn, if Buffy doesn't want him...I'm happy to pick up the slack.

Is it typical for the black border to be a dream though? I'm unfamiliar with comics in general but I didn't realise this. Is it possible this could be real?

Not generally a dream signal, but I think KoC was saying that they've used it for that in the buffy comics.

[vampmogs]

And, damn, if Buffy doesn't want him...I'm happy to pick up the slack.

By her expression it appears she wants him, sorry for your loss What I actually like is that they are showing that Xander is working out, which explains why he is so buff. I like that they just didn't make him buff but chalk it up to it being a comic book because that'd be highly unrealistic, showing him working out indicates that he's been training since we've last seen him and who knows, is possibly a very good fighter now. I'd like to see Xander in action to see just how much he has changed.

Not generally a dream signal, but I think KoC was saying that they've used it for that in the buffy comics.

Oh I see, thanks, well that does make sense then. I wonder if this will be Buffy's dream or Xander's dream? I'm guessing Buffy's but if it happened to be Xander's that could be very telling about who really kissed her, though I think it is Buffys.

EDIT: I was also thinking about a while back when we were speculating whether or not Buffy may have actually been reffering to Xander when she said "Great Muppety Odin I must that sex!" Is it possible this is a dream she is having about a past encounter with Xander? Perhaps even their first and not just a day dream about something that hasn't happened?

[Impy]

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/23/nffugy1.jpg

[NileQT87]

shades of janus--the good slayer and the bad slayer. ironically, we just had ethan in the last arc (he had a bust of janus in halloween).

"chunky and creamy. oh, no, sorry, that's peanut butter."

[Sosa lola]

Ooooh I love that Buffy/Faith cover, and I especially love the Xander/Buffy scene For some reason I still don't believe Buffy will end up with Xander. Poor guy.

[Phoenix]

If i wasnt sitting down im fairly sure i would have fallen over after seeing that cover :| It is freaking amazing.

[some spykie ship]

I wonder if the janus cover is an indicator that Ethan might still be alive. As for the Buffy/Xander deal, this is actually the second dream that Buffy has had in which she was trying to get romantic with Xander. Judging by the shock in Xander's last speech bubble, if there's attraction, it's probably on Buffy's part, unless that page was only the beginning of another nightmare. A hot dream turning into a nightmare could have psychological indications that have little to do with attraction. Still, it would be interesting if Buffy is thinking about Xander that way because she's gone too long without that physical contact, or if Buffy really feels for Xander but he's moved on.

[Jenni Lou]

First, I gotta say, sooooooooooooo excited for the new issue!!

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/23/nffugy1.jpg

Seriously AWESOME cover and sorry to say, I had to change it to a link because we have forum rules that do not allow directly posted pics to exceed 500px in width.

I wonder if the janus cover is an indicator that Ethan might still be alive. As for the Buffy/Xander deal, this is actually the second dream that Buffy has had in which she was trying to get romantic with Xander. Judging by the shock in Xander's last speech bubble, if there's attraction, it's probably on Buffy's part, unless that page was only the beginning of another nightmare. A hot dream turning into a nightmare could have psychological indications that have little to do with attraction. Still, it would be interesting if Buffy is thinking about Xander that way because she's gone too long without that physical contact, or if Buffy really feels for Xander but he's moved on.

I'm not sure on any part of it but I have so enjoyed the Buffy/Xander scenes so much so far I am just happy we are going to get more soon.

[ThePoet's<3]

Really like that Chen Cover!!! Can't wait to see it and hold it in my hot little hands!

Brian K. Vaughn is a favorite writer of mine (LOST: The Brigg) and hopefully combined with one of my favorite characters we should have an awesome Faith arc!!

[some spykie ship]

Issue 6 comes out tomorrow! Yay!! I'm going to Borders on my way home from taking a test to pick up my copy, and I'll have all afternoon to catch up on Faith. Hopefully.

[NileQT87]

read it. MAJOR SPOILERS:

Spoiler:

my favorite part is when the only thing it appears faith has learned about acting british is a cockney accent--it sounded like she was channeling spike there. that dress reveal would have been amazing if it had been in the show. though, the scene is somewhat of a repeat between faith and the mayor, where he has her put on that pink dress. the exchanges between the father/daughter dynamic and the reluctant 'good daughter' faith seem very alike with the two relationships.

giles giving etiquette and high society lessons is a highlight of the issue--especially the bit about which fork faith stabbed him with. nice reference to giles' ripper days concerning faith's history.

my one whine about "gigi" savidge is her hair is a bit too butch. not a fan of her and her sorcerer watcher--meh, i'm not impressed with them as characters at all--which for me seems to be a major shortcoming of the comic book form--the new characters seem so much less fleshed out than even minor one-episode characters felt on the shows.

so, they're kidnapping people--slayers, it seems. and two big beasties do the clean-up. hmm, might faith when her identity is revealed or caught, will she get kidnapped, or get put in with all the other slayers being taken, where she'll get them all out?

and it looks like the buffy/xander workout thing isn't about them, but xander wanting to possibly impress ren?e.

i wonder how the alternate cover art for one of the following issues, which has buffy and satsu also going undercover with faith--i wonder how they'll tie-in to the lady savidge plot and how they'll be asked to get involved.

[bishopcruz]

How did you get it early?

[ThePoet's<3]

Well... I will tell you how I got it early last time... It wasn't supposed to go out on the shelves for sell until the release day posted by Dark Horse. However, my comic connection sold it to me earlier... He didn't mean too it just happened. So, probably a lot of stores have the comics a few days before they actually put it out on the shelf at release date.

A grateful OOPS but he's not making that mistake twice!!! So, I will wait till lunch tomorrow and read it in the HOT HOT car as soon as I can!!!

[vampmogs]

read it. MAJOR SPOILERS:

Spoiler:

my favorite part is when the only thing it appears faith has learned about acting british is a cockney accent--it sounded like she was channeling spike there. that dress reveal would have been amazing if it had been in the show. though, the scene is somewhat of a repeat between faith and the mayor, where he has her put on that pink dress. the exchanges between the father/daughter dynamic and the reluctant 'good daughter' faith seem very alike with the two relationships.

giles giving etiquette and high society lessons is a highlight of the issue--especially the bit about which fork faith stabbed him with. nice reference to giles' ripper days concerning faith's history.

my one whine about "gigi" savidge is her hair is a bit too butch. not a fan of her and her sorcerer watcher--meh, i'm not impressed with them as characters at all--which for me seems to be a major shortcoming of the comic book form--the new characters seem so much less fleshed out than even minor one-episode characters felt on the shows.

so, they're kidnapping people--slayers, it seems. and two big beasties do the clean-up. hmm, might faith when her identity is revealed or caught, will she get kidnapped, or get put in with all the other slayers being taken, where she'll get them all out?

and it looks like the buffy/xander workout thing isn't about them, but xander wanting to possibly impress ren?e.

i wonder how the alternate cover art for one of the following issues, which has buffy and satsu also going undercover with faith--i wonder how they'll tie-in to the lady savidge plot and how they'll be asked to get involved.

Firstly yeah how did you get it before everyone else, lucky thing!

Now;

Spoiler:

Okay so the workout thing wasn't about Buffy/Xander at all? Well there goes a lot of our theories, did it seem like Buffy was into Xander with the smirk but Xander was too busy concentrating on Renee or was there nothing to suggest anything between the two of them at all?

Spoiler:

Sorcerer Watcher? Does the book explain why she has a watcher, I thought the watchers council was pretty much all but destroyed. Was he a watcher who survived and decided to turn evil and enlist a slayer to help him? Or was he like Post, kicked out of the council years earlier for dabbling in black magics?

Spoiler:

I'm liking that you're drawing comparisons between the Giles/Faith relationship and the Mayor/Faith relationshio- lets hope Giles hasn't got anything nasty up his sleeve. There is speculation that 'retire' might actually mean kill. Though if Giles is forming a strong bond with Faith I wonder what this means for him and Buffy, because I'm dying to see them bond again.

Was Willow in this preview? And how often did the Scoobies appear? Did we hear anything about Voll or if they had taken him prisoner? Or what their reaction is to Warren's return and Amy?

[NileQT87]

Spoiler:

well, actually, it never says he's her watcher--an irish sorcerer is what we know. but he seemed awfully watcherly to me... definitely of the gwendolyn post variety if indeed he was.

it looks like gigi is a bit stronger than the usual slayer due possibly to all those black magicks being brandied about by her and the irish sorcerer guy.

i've noticed giles' hair is suddenly brown again. you'd think the comic color guy would at least put a little gray in there. he looks like a very young tony head in the comics.

also, ALY'S/WILLOW'S EYES ARE NOT BLUE!!! they're hazel.

every issue has a handful of drawings that scare me. in one of the last issues it was willow smiling like a smile time victim that disturbed me. in this one it is faith's angry face that makes her lips look huge or face look really weirdly distorted. i recall a few bizarre buffy frames as well several issues ago.

that dress reveal frame, however, is gorgeous and perfect.

as for how i got the comic so early (not really early--today was the release date)... darthscanner. not saying anything else.

[vampmogs]

Okay like Nile I managed to just get the comic..ah.. early

I liked it I thought it was pretty good but not a great deal happens in this one I'm afriad.

Spoiler:

Gigi most certainly is stronger than your average slayer and does she actually snap the neck of the other slayer with one punch? Ouch!

And don't worry Bander fans whilst Xander may be gearing up for Renee and a sparring session he makes a rambled and fumbly remark about no one in the room checking Buffy out (a room with only him and Buffy in it) after not choosing his words as carefully as he would have liked.

Also, Buffy is having some weird dreams about the queen being dead, very interesting and kinda looks like the demon that burns her body in her dream from Issue 2.

No word on their reaction to Warren being back, Voll or Amy and Willow isn't in the issue.

Also did anyone else spot what appears to be Dr Who coming out the telephone box in London with his sidekick by his side? Crossover between two shows.. mm not sure I liked this.

[NileQT87]

have fun with that... early... comic.

Spoiler:

what's up with the "the queen is dead" thing? is it that buffy's the queen of the slayers and she's technically dead, or not actually the current of the singularly chosen ones (that would be faith)?

we did get a portrait of queen elizabeth I in issue #2. same issue we got the big beastie that is haunting buffy's dreams. in fact, it is right after the page with the beastie that we get that portrait of elizabeth I as amy is about to stab buffy.

the only thing that i can think of for "the queen is dead" is the following (and speaking of which, brian over at ats season 6 keeps talking about queen lyrics... so perhaps this is a big joss thing for the comics:

http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/THE-QUEEN-IS-DEAD-lyrics-The-Smiths/91DED115D338333E482568AB002836A6

my guess? does it have something to do with buffy being lonely?

[vampmogs]

have fun with that... early... comic.

Spoiler:

what's up with the "the queen is dead" thing? is it that buffy's the queen of the slayers and she's technically dead, or not actually the current of the singularly chosen ones (that would be faith)?

we did get a portrait of queen elizabeth I in issue #2. same issue we got the big beastie that is haunting buffy's dreams. in fact, it is right after the page with the beastie that we get that portrait of elizabeth I as amy is about to stab buffy.

the only thing that i can think of for "the queen is dead" is the following (and speaking of which, brian over at ats season 6 keeps talking about queen lyrics... so perhaps this is a big joss thing for the comics:

http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/THE-QUEEN-IS-DEAD-lyrics-The-Smiths/91DED115D338333E482568AB002836A6

my guess? does it have something to do with buffy being lonely?

Haha yes I will.. as will Enderswrath now

Spoiler:

Well the arc's title, 'No Future For You' is actually from a Sex Pistols song about the Queen and her having no future in England. However, I'd think that the arc's title would have more to do with Faith than Buffy, given the arc focuses more on her. Though it is apparent we have some queen like imagery happening here. As you said in Buffy's bedroom there is a picture of Queen Elizabeth just before Amy attempts to murder Buffy, we have Buffy having dreams about a demon creature telling here the queen is dead and of course the arc's title which refers to a song about the Queen and her future; or lack of future. It all seems rather bleak for Buffy.