Should Spike & Anya have been a couple?

[holypotatoes]

This is the question. In the Buffyverse we've had every couple, yet how come they never decided to make Spike and Anya a couple? Being a couple!!!, not their sex fest in the Magic Box. They have great chemistry. We've seen the way they act around eachother when they aren't with the Scoobies and it seems like it would have worked, at least for a little while anyway. One good instance is in "Where the Wild Things Are" when Spike and Anya are depressed at the Bronze and missing their powers. They each wished they had appreciated it (their powers) more. Then they were going to kill their exes. Spike was gonna kill Dru, while Anya was going to get Xander. It seemed like at that point they should have made them a couple. It seemed right. They were both harmless at that point and had a bunch of things in common. What do you think? Would it have been a good idea to make these two a couple?

[Jenni Lou]

I have to admit I have always been a little bit of a SPike/Anya shipper, based mostly on that scene from WTWTA. There ended up being a few more good Spike/Anya moments.

I don't think they SHOULD have been, perhaps. But I always did fancy them together.

[ThePoet's<3]

Well I always say Spike could have chemistry with a fence post! But no - I wasn't completely crazy about Spanya. So no, not SHOULD have become. Which is funny because James and Emma dated a bit.

Now Spillow... Hmm...

[Chosen1]

Well I always say Spike could have chemistry with a fence post!

Haha, so very true. He's BEAUTIFUL!

I think they were cute together when it was just the two of them and it might have worked, but I really just wanted her and Xander to stay together.

[vampmogs]

Hell yeah!

I think this relationship would be exactly what Spike needed for him to make me like him again. Anya and Spike had always been in the same boat. Both missed the killing, both had a dark past and both couldn't act out on their urges. The both of them were put into a place where they didn't belong, had to interact with people they didn't particularly like and seemed to connect with eachother very well.

I liked how Anya turned into a vengeance demon again, I think her character would have been a great baddie. Hillarious but evil, turning her back on humanity and embracing the darkness. I have no problem enjoying a bad character if they are fun to watch, which is why I liked Spike during s2. I think she would have been great and would have been even greater if she had granted someone's wish to remove the chip from Spike's head and allowed him to try and kill again. They'd have been the perfect couple, Anya's hillarity I think would bring out Spike's best qualities again and make his loose all that patheticness he had in the sixth and seventh season.

I think it would have done great things for Spike, he always worked much better as a bad guy then a good one like he was in s7. Not only had we already got a vampire with a soul, not only had we already done that story line before- but Spike was pretty boring and loosed all his wit and charm he had in s2 and s4. I think if he had teamed up with Anya and become lovers it would have been just great.

Basically it would have been the new Spike and Dru.

[kana]

They both tend to be say and notice things that others don't. Yeah, I could see it.

[Goddess Guidance]

Definitely! I always thought Spike should have gotten his chipped removed, and become one of the big bads for season 7. I mean, they did say that season was supposed to go back to it's roots. Never thought about him and Anya being the new Spike and Dru, but that's a good idea!

Hell yeah!

I think this relationship would be exactly what Spike needed for him to make me like him again. Anya and Spike had always been in the same boat. Both missed the killing, both had a dark past and both couldn't act out on their urges. The both of them were put into a place where they didn't belong, had to interact with people they didn't particularly like and seemed to connect with eachother very well.

I liked how Anya turned into a vengeance demon again, I think her character would have been a great baddie. Hillarious but evil, turning her back on humanity and embracing the darkness. I have no problem enjoying a bad character if they are fun to watch, which is why I liked Spike during s2. I think she would have been great and would have been even greater if she had granted someone's wish to remove the chip from Spike's head and allowed him to try and kill again. They'd have been the perfect couple, Anya's hillarity I think would bring out Spike's best qualities again and make his loose all that patheticness he had in the sixth and seventh season.

I think it would have done great things for Spike, he always worked much better as a bad guy then a good one like he was in s7. Not only had we already got a vampire with a soul, not only had we already done that story line before- but Spike was pretty boring and loosed all his wit and charm he had in s2 and s4. I think if he had teamed up with Anya and become lovers it would have been just great.

Basically it would have been the new Spike and Dru.

[Valyssia]

*sigh*

Yeah to all that, but...

[adds a big pregnant pause]

You'd be pairing two 'people' that are both struggling with their humanity together. This is not very Joss... He tends to place the flawed human with the struggling demon or ex-demon. The one plays very nicely off the other. In subtle ways they teach each other something.

Xander/ Anya is perfect for this reason. Xander is so human he's occasionally scary... Anya is so backward, demony she literally doesn't understand what it means to be human. She just knows she likes the sweaty part, otherwise...clueless. Eventually, Anya gets it...the wheelchair fight scene in the hospital in S7 is one of the most beautiful moments in the season. In the show for that matter... It's a mark that something has seriously change for Anya. The catalyst for that change was Xander.

And they have no purpose that unites them, so they just drift around, blundering through life until they die...which they...they know is coming, yet every single one of them is surprised when it happens to them. They're incapable of thinking about what they want beyond the moment. They kill each other, which is clearly insane. And yet, here's the thing. When it's something that really matters, they fight. I mean, they're lame morons for fighting, but they do. They never... never quit. So I guess I will keep fighting, too.

She recognizes in this scene that she's staying to help, allowing Xander to run like she would have before. It's her moment of sacrifice...the moment it is verbally recognized... At that moment she gets what it means to be human. For Anya, because she is so literal, she describes it.

Spike has his moment like this in S7 with Buffy... The night they spend together just holding each other. It's no longer about the sweaty part. He's got it figured... And it's as a direct result of Buffy's influence on him.

If Joss/ Marti had tossed Anya and Spike together we would have been robbed. They would've gone straight for the self gratification and well... It would've become all about the sweaty part.

You need the human element to ground the demon...

Val

[vampmogs]

*sigh*

Yeah to all that, but...

[adds a big pregnant pause]

You'd be pairing two 'people' that are both struggling with their humanity together. This is not very Joss... He tends to place the flawed human with the struggling demon or ex-demon. The one plays very nicely off the other. In subtle ways they teach each other something.

Xander/ Anya is perfect for this reason. Xander is so human he's occasionally scary... Anya is so backward, demony she literally doesn't understand what it means to be human. She just knows she likes the sweaty part, otherwise...clueless. Eventually, Anya gets it...the wheelchair fight scene in the hospital in S7 is one of the most beautiful moments in the season. In the show for that matter... It's a mark that something has seriously change for Anya. The catalyst for that change was Xander.

She recognizes in this scene that she's staying to help, allowing Xander to run like she would have before. It's her moment of sacrifice...the moment it is verbally recognized... At that moment she gets what it means to be human. For Anya, because she is so literal, she describes it.

Spike has his moment like this in S7 with Buffy... The night they spend together just holding each other. It's no longer about the sweaty part. He's got it figured... And it's as a direct result of Buffy's influence on him.

If Joss/ Marti had tossed Anya and Spike together we would have been robbed. They would've gone straight for the self gratification and well... It would've become all about the sweaty part.

You need the human element to ground the demon...

Val

But I support the entire idea because I don't want this element to ground the demon. I enjoy Spike's character far more when he's evil, when he's "grounded" I think he becomes boring and looses the qualities that made him so entertaining and charming in the first place. As other members on the forums have cleverly stated, S7 Spike is like Spike- lite, he is missing the favourable qualities that made his character so popular in the first place. I also think Anya would be a great nemisis for the gang, especially with the history she has with them.

Sure their relationship would be a lot about the sweaty part but I think they could play off eachother well and get into all sorts of trouble. Why do we need them to be grounded? It'd be interesting for them to choose darkness over light instead of the good guy usually choosing to be redeemed.

[Valyssia]

But I support the entire idea because I don't want this element to ground the demon. I enjoy Spike's character far more when he's evil, when he's "grounded" I think he becomes boring and looses the qualities that made him so entertaining and charming in the first place. As other members on the forums have cleverly stated, S7 Spike is like Spike- lite, he is missing the favourable qualities that made his character so popular in the first place. I also think Anya would be a great nemisis for the gang, especially with the history she has with them.

Sure their relationship would be a lot about the sweaty part but I think they could play off eachother well and get into all sorts of trouble. Why do we need them to be grounded? It'd be interesting for them to choose darkness over light instead of the good guy usually choosing to be redeemed.

Fair enough... It would be the anti-Joss though. He's all about the redemption. I tend to agree with him...watching a character like Spike go from an evil meanie, sans many powers of higher reasoning, to a martyr for the greater good, is one of the more interesting pieces of character dev in the show.

As to actually enjoying Spike... He was at his most interesting right after the chip was installed. I love that whole bit where the Scoobies can't seem to get it through their head that he's not on their side. "When are you people going to remember that I hate you?"

I actually enjoyed watching him on Angel too. The relationship he develops with Fred is very interesting.

This thread isn't really about what we enjoyed though... It's about the coupling...and I told you why you didn't see it...

Valyssia

[vampmogs]

Fair enough... It would be the anti-Joss though. He's all about the redemption. I tend to agree with him...watching a character like Spike go from an evil meanie, sans many powers of higher reasoning, to a martyr for the greater good, is one of the more interesting pieces of character dev in the show.

Yeah but we had Faith try and redeem herself, Angel try and redeem himself as well as Andrew and Willow. I just think it'd be interesting for someone to embrace the darkness for a change. What was so scary about Angelus was that there was never any indication that he could be redeemed or ever would want to be.