Spike and Anya: Were They Scoobies?

[Sosa lola]

I'm gonna write an essay on how the Scoobies accepted Anya as a Scooby easier than Spike. In order to not be biased, I'd like if you guys answered these questions for me:

1- Why do you think the Scoobies had a hard time accepting Spike?

2- Do you think the Scoobies accepted Anya to the group? Why?

3- Why do you think it was easier to accept Anya than Spike?

[LRae12]

Well, that's seems fairly simple to me....Spike was soulless and a vampire. Even though he had a chip in his head it was like Buffy said "you're like a serial killer in prison."

Anya, on the other hand was made human. And I think they accepted her more readily because she had so much knowledge about demons and it aided them in their research.

Now once Spike became souled, I think they had a rough time at first accepting him because of the bad history between him and the scoobies...they didn't really have that with Anya, because none of them really remembered The Wish. Especially since Spike tried to rape Buffy, it would be hard for family and friends to forgive and forget that - with or without a soul.

[BlasterBoy]

I pretty much agree with LRae

I'm gonna just answer your questions by numbering them

1. It's simple, as said before. Spike = soulless, evil vampire. He had a chip but if he didn't, kill, kill, and more kill. They couldn't trust him simply because he was evil and he had hurt so many people including some of them. Remember, "Lover's Walk"?

2. I think they did, a little. Anya WAS a demon, but now she's good. That's why we see in "Selfless", that Buffy wanted to kill her. She was evil and killing people. Even though I don't agree with her, but that's a different subject At the end of Season 6, they didn't have time to argue. Willow was destroying the damn world! And I think Xander didn't want Buffy to kill Anya because he loved her but also because he realized why Anya became a demon. Because of him. But, again, that's a different subject. Bad me!

3. Anya was easier to accept than Spike because Spike was evil, Anya wasn't any more. That simple. Spike, evil. Anya, not.

Sorry for a little off topic.

[bishopcruz]

1. Evil Vampire who had tried to kill them all for months before coming back, nearly killing two of them then leaving, coming back again and being chipped and STILL trying to kill them. It really is a contrivance of the plot that he wasn't staked. After the soul, I think he had the whole AR, plus y'know eating folks, but he was more accepted, in S7 he seemed to remove himself from the group.

2. Anya never actually did anything to the group. Well, Dopplegangland, and Willow did have issues with her as a result. All the stuff she ever talked about doing was never a threat to the Scoobs as a whole. She was also not an actual threat to the gang until late s6. However, I think that she was still treated as Xander's Girlfriend first and foremost. I think Xander thought Anya was part of the group while I don't think Buffy and Willow really did.

3.Anya wasn't trying to kill them, she and Xander were attached at the hip. Spike was evil, and he really didn't like them much.

[ThePoet's<3]

Somehow I think with Spike - he was a vampire and would always be a vampire. No matter if he was chipped or souled he was still what he was. Spike also had a lot more negative history with the Scoobies. He persecuted them far longer than he was befriended them. Only in Seasons 5-7 did he begin to be around them more. Season 6 before Buffy returns he was helpful. In Season 7 it was strictly Buffy who kept him in the gang. But he was never a true Scoob.

But Anya become "mortal" did she not?

Also, Xander was in love with Anya. Xander was a beloved Scoobie and she was accepted as part of the Xanya package.

However, she still wasn't "in" the C4 ever. She and Willow tolerated each other for the most part. Buffy was "indifferent" to her. Even in Season 7 she asked Anya "why are you here"?

[BlasterBoy]

Somehow I think with Spike - he was a vampire and would always be a vampire. No matter if he was chipped or souled he was still what he was. Spike also had a lot more negative history with the Scoobies. He persecuted them far longer than he was befriended them. Only in Seasons 5-7 did he begin to be around them more. Season 6 before Buffy returns he was helpful. In Season 7 it was strictly Buffy who kept him in the gang. But he was never a true Scoob.

I completely agree with you here! Spike was always a vampire! Without a soul, he was just evil! With a chip, he was evil, he just couldn't do anything! And, imo, Buffy should've killed him And with a soul, he still killed people! I know, The First, but I still don't see why they didn't just kill him! I mean, sure, that one person dieing wasn't his fault. But, what about that one and a few HUNDRED others about 4 years ago! Just my opinion. And that's a little off-topic, anyways.

But Anya become "mortal" did she not?

A mortal she did become! She did become a mortal in Season 3, in "The Wish". She became evil again in "Hell's Bells", but who's fault was that?

Also, Xander was in love with Anya. Xander was a beloved Scoobie and she was accepted as part of the Xanya package.

Agreed! I forgot about that! They loved Xander. Xander loved Anya. They had to accept her. It was different with Spuffy because even Buffy was disgusted with herself and they had grown to hate Spike. They had only seen Anya do one terrible thing in "The Wish". That was it. They hadn't grown to hate her.

[omri]

1.well, he was evil... even when he had the chip. Anya was humen for a while. and her being Xander's girlfriend helped too.
2. They did... but after a while... they needed to get over the ex demon thing...
they accepted her because she was very helpful with her knowledge.. and she was Xan's girl.
3.Again... spike wasn't humen. anya was. she had a relationship with a member in the group and such.....