Hi everyone
Well I thought KingofCretins was going to open up this thread but he has yet to do so, so I thought I might as well!
Basically I want to discuss Becoming Part 2 and Xander's decision not to tell Buffy about Willow's spell to restore Angel's soul. Now basically there are usually two sides to this argument. One being of those who believe Xander had no right to lie to Buffy, the other who believes Xander did the right thing to save the world. I find myself stuck between both and basically I want everyone to discuss their view on the matter.
Now I am usually a pretty strong Xander supporter, mostly because I can't stand how some people view him as useless (even though season seven tried it's hardest late in the season to prove otherwise) just because he didn't have any superpowers. I'm not going to lie and suggest he can do no wrong, I find his hypercritical attitude in Selfless and his automatic hate of Angel before he had ever even lost his soul just because he was a vampire, particularly annoying. However, this is why I have such trouble with Becoming Part 2.
On the one hand I totally support Xander's decision not to tell Buffy. Basically Angelus was about to threaten the entire world, everyone was in a big danger. Buffy was finally at the place she needed to be at when he first turned and Xander saw how quickly she changed when for that very moment she believed there was hope with Willow. I'm a pretty big supporter of 'the big picture' and many believe that was all there was to the matter, Xander was doing it for the world and nothing else. Yet, I can't accept this and hence the problem.
We all know Xander has a big old hate for Angel, and I'm talking about Angel here and not Angelus (although he hates him as well.) Xander hates Angel because he was a vampire, because he was jealous of his relationship with Buffy and has said in Passions he was right all along about Angel and killing him, something I strongly disagree with. Are we supposed to believe none of this hate contributed to Xander failing to tell Buffy about Willow's spell? Has Xander ever remained impartial in the past? He certainly wasn't about Anya. If Xander's hate of Angel helped contribute to him disclosing this information from Buffy then I don't support his actions because his motives were tainted. I strongly believe that Angel was just as innocent as any human, by failing to tell Buffy about Willow's restoration spell Xander may have taken a part in murdering Angel a long with Angelus. Such a thing shouldn't be taken lightly, so we have to ask ourselves why did Xander really not tell Buffy?
I think there is also a general issue amongst the scoobies that they doubt Buffy's abilities and inner strength. I've heard many arguments which state Buffy wouldn't have killed Angelus if she thought there was any hope but I disagree. Buffy killed ended up killing Angel when she had to and had come to the state of mind a while back that Angelus needed to die. The prior episode indicated that Buffy was ready and willing to kill Angelus when she was sick of waiting for Willow's spell to kick in. Xander underestimated Buffy's inner strength.
So what are your thoughts? Do you agree with Xander's actions or are against them?
Vampmogs
Well I thought KingofCretins was going to open up this thread but he has yet to do so, so I thought I might as well!
Basically I want to discuss Becoming Part 2 and Xander's decision not to tell Buffy about Willow's spell to restore Angel's soul. Now basically there are usually two sides to this argument. One being of those who believe Xander had no right to lie to Buffy, the other who believes Xander did the right thing to save the world. I find myself stuck between both and basically I want everyone to discuss their view on the matter.
Now I am usually a pretty strong Xander supporter, mostly because I can't stand how some people view him as useless (even though season seven tried it's hardest late in the season to prove otherwise) just because he didn't have any superpowers. I'm not going to lie and suggest he can do no wrong, I find his hypercritical attitude in Selfless and his automatic hate of Angel before he had ever even lost his soul just because he was a vampire, particularly annoying. However, this is why I have such trouble with Becoming Part 2.
On the one hand I totally support Xander's decision not to tell Buffy. Basically Angelus was about to threaten the entire world, everyone was in a big danger. Buffy was finally at the place she needed to be at when he first turned and Xander saw how quickly she changed when for that very moment she believed there was hope with Willow. I'm a pretty big supporter of 'the big picture' and many believe that was all there was to the matter, Xander was doing it for the world and nothing else. Yet, I can't accept this and hence the problem.
We all know Xander has a big old hate for Angel, and I'm talking about Angel here and not Angelus (although he hates him as well.) Xander hates Angel because he was a vampire, because he was jealous of his relationship with Buffy and has said in Passions he was right all along about Angel and killing him, something I strongly disagree with. Are we supposed to believe none of this hate contributed to Xander failing to tell Buffy about Willow's spell? Has Xander ever remained impartial in the past? He certainly wasn't about Anya. If Xander's hate of Angel helped contribute to him disclosing this information from Buffy then I don't support his actions because his motives were tainted. I strongly believe that Angel was just as innocent as any human, by failing to tell Buffy about Willow's restoration spell Xander may have taken a part in murdering Angel a long with Angelus. Such a thing shouldn't be taken lightly, so we have to ask ourselves why did Xander really not tell Buffy?
I think there is also a general issue amongst the scoobies that they doubt Buffy's abilities and inner strength. I've heard many arguments which state Buffy wouldn't have killed Angelus if she thought there was any hope but I disagree. Buffy killed ended up killing Angel when she had to and had come to the state of mind a while back that Angelus needed to die. The prior episode indicated that Buffy was ready and willing to kill Angelus when she was sick of waiting for Willow's spell to kick in. Xander underestimated Buffy's inner strength.
So what are your thoughts? Do you agree with Xander's actions or are against them?
Vampmogs
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