Buffy Tarrot Cards

[vampmogs]

Hey

Another post today Apparently darkhorse is releasing a set of Buffy tarot cards, that do run alongside season 8, as well as the previous seven seasons of Btvs.

Here's the link;

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?p...ticle&id=16092

So far we know that the 'Lovers Card' is in relation to Buffy & Angel, the 'Death Card' looks a lot like Dawn bleeding on the sand, we have another card titled 'The Temperance Card' which is of what appears to be Angelus, with angel wings and drinking from a chalice filled with blood, and the 'Devil Card' which looks a bit like Buffy and Spike possibly.

Apparently the cards have clues to what to expect in season 8 and after looking back people will be able to understand what they mean.

Interesting stuff.

Vampmogs

[Thomas]

Very cool. I'll definitely buy these, they look pretty cool. Plus, the art is very nice.

I think the 'Death Card' could be foretelling the tell of the Slayer line, maybe? Or the death of many Slayers in the finale battles that are coming? It does look like Dawn, but I doubt it's her. Mainly because the girl looks like a Slayer.

Hopefully, they'll throw in some ANGEL characters, they've got Angel and Spike, but I'm sure Cordy or Illyria or Lorne could work on some of them. The others too, depending on what cards there are.

Does anyone have a list of the different types of Tarrot carts that appear in most decks? We can try to guess who'll appear on each card.

[smashed]

0 - The Fool
I - The Magician or Juggler
II - The High Priestess or Popess
III - The Empress
IV - The Emperor
V - The Hierophant or Pope
VI - The Lovers
VII - The Chariot
VIII - Strength
IX - The Hermit
X - Wheel of Fortune
XI - Justice
XII - The Hanged Man
XIII - Death
XIV - Temperance
XV - The Devil
XVI - The Tower
XVII - The Star
XVIII - The Moon
XIX - The Sun
XX - Judgement
XXI - The World

and if I understand correctly, there will also be

The 4 of Cups
The 4 of Wands
The 4 of Swords
The 4 of Pentacles

[NileQT87]

king of cups HAS to be spike (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_of_Cups).

angel is king of wands (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_of_Wands).

bonus points if they can possibly fit in perhaps the fallen angel card from drusilla's fake order of taraka deck.

wow, some of those cards are rather... lacking clothes... in a renaissance way.

this is what i'd put if i were making the cards:

0 - The Fool - Andrew
I - The Magician or Juggler - Willow
II - The High Priestess or Popess - Tara or Jenny
III - The Empress - Darla (pregnant) or Joyce
IV - The Emperor - Angel (W&H CEO)
V - The Hierophant or Pope - Giles
VI - The Lovers - Buffy/Angel
VII - The Chariot - Angel's '67 Plymouth
VIII - Strength - Buffy
IX - The Hermit - bum-Angel
X - Wheel of Fortune - something "the House always wins"-related.
XI - Justice - Wesley
XII - The Hanged Man - Angel "Are you now, or have you ever been?"
XIII - Death - The Master
XIV - Temperance - Angel and bloodlust
XV - The Devil - Buffy/Spike season 6
XVI - The Tower - Jasmine
XVII - The Star - Drusilla
XVIII - The Moon - Oz
XIX - The Sun - Buffy
XX - Judgment - PTBs/Shanshu
XXI - The World - a large group of Slayers

[Nina]

Oh, I want to do that to ...

0 - The Fool - Spike (experimenting, no rules, nobody is your boss)
I - The Magician or Juggler - Willow (perseverance, need to prove herself, using power the wrong way)
II - The High Priestess or Popess - Tara or Lorne (spiritual, doubt, fear for life)
III - The Empress - Cordelia (love, growth, being a mother, jealousy, greedy)
IV - The Emperor - Angel (leadership, courage, not enough intuition, realism, self-righteous)
V - The Hierophant or Pope - Giles (the teacher, searching for the truth, arrogant, believe)
VI - The Lovers - Angel and Buffy (being one, impossible, losing yourself)
VII - The Chariot - Shanshu (glory, holy grail, departure of a Hero)
VIII - Strength - the power of the slayer (energy, loneliness, power, weakness)
IX - The Hermit - Wesley (knowledge, being bitter and alone, truth, trying to be the perfect person)
X - Wheel of Fortune - Darla (two faced, accepting her destiny, good and evil, transformation to a higher being)
XI - Justice - Xander (honest, justice, hypocrisy)
XII - The Hanged Man - Faith after 5x5 (Surrender, new view on life, stagnation)
XIII - Death - The Vampire (dieing, place for something new, fear)
XIV - Temperance - Angelus/Angel (Biggest contrast in the 'verse)
XV - The Devil - Dark Willow, Angelus or W&H (black magic, fighting evil and good, ego transformation)
XVI - The Tower - Jasmine (change, eye of god, a new birth out of pain)
XVII - The Star - Powers that Be (Hope, insight in the perfect universe, rebirth)
XVIII - The Moon - Buffy or Angel (seeing the worst aspects of life, illusions, listening to her intuition, selfknowledge, confrontation)
XIX - The Sun - Connor, Angel or Buffy (great persona, making amends with his/her darker sides, all giving, a rising hero, arrogant)
XX - Judgement - Victory after the last apocalypse or Connor (Utopia, new life)
XXI - The World - Normal Life (finish, return, freedom)

[Fehmina]

oh wow, i can't wait!
-dances-

x

[Amber]

WOW! that is awesome news, and the images are amazing. I wonder who is doing the art.

Oh, and also. Tarot just has one r. I thought I'd throw that in there in case anyone was searching for more info and maybe having a hard time

[Thomas]

Lost hundreds of years ago, the Slayer's tarot is an important artifact from Slayer history that came into existence after a group of women shared a vision of a rogue Slayer who would love a vampire and who would be aided in her fight against evil by a group of mystical allies. The heretical prophecy led to the suppression of the deck by the Watcher's Council.

and HERE are three newly revealed cards.

If these cards are canon, I find it very interesting that the doings of Buffy and the Scoobies were prophosized hundreds of years ago.

I find the one with a blonde girl (Buffy?) falling from the crumbling tower very interesting. I wonder if this could be foreshadowing Buffy's fall from grace? It has been hinted at this season.

[alexa]

It reminded me of The Gift actually.
Can't wait for these, hear they'll be out in August?

[NileQT87]

Lost hundreds of years ago, the Slayer's tarot is an important artifact from Slayer history that came into existence after a group of women shared a vision of a rogue Slayer who would love a vampire and who would be aided in her fight against evil by a group of mystical allies. The heretical prophecy led to the suppression of the deck by the Watcher's Council.

what do you think of this? is it canon? what do you make of the singular "vampire" rather than the plural "vampires"? if it is canon, what do you think of buffy (and also her mystical allies and lovers) being prophesied?

these points have been talked about on whedonesque.

[Boltmaiden]

Amazing

what do you think of this? is it canon? what do you make of the singular "vampire" rather than the plural "vampires"? if it is canon, what do you think of buffy (and also her mystical allies and lovers) being prophesied?

these points have been talked about on whedonesque.

I personally think it is really interesting no matter if it is canon or not, however it would bring out more passion from certain ships if it is deemed canon by Joss due to certain things like saying Buffy is in love with a vampire instead of vampires. Actually putting my Bangalness aside (shocking I know) I think it would have been more effective to say will/would fall in love with a vampire with a soul..because though it still says a vampire instead of two it could be open to interpretation so it doesn't shoot down a ship. Because as far as I understand even Spuffy fans believe Buffy began to love Spike after he regained his soul, so that would work for both Bangal and Spuffy fans...err at least better than what is written, right?

Obviously as a Bangal fan the way it is worded makes me happy because though there is still an argument to be made on how deep Buffy's feeling are for Spike (love vs. in love) It is a fact that Buffy was in love with Angel..arguments can be made now if it is still as strong but Angel is her first love.

Did I do okay? I tried to be fair...well as fair as a Bangel girl can be

[Enisy]

What I make of it is that Scott Allie hates Spike, which, yeah, I didn't need this to convince me. The Spike hatefest in the published Season 8 letters, his treatment of Spike while he was DH's property and his comments about him in interviews more than suffice.

[vampmogs]

What I make of it is that Scott Allie hates Spike, which, yeah, I didn't need this to convince me. The Spike hatefest in the published Season 8 letters, his treatment of Spike while he was DH's property and his comments about him in interviews more than suffice.

If you actually read what the 'Devil Card' actually represents in tarot cards, I think you'll find people jumped the gun on that one. It doesn't mean Spike is 'the devil' at all.

[blue_peroxide]

So I looked up The Devil card on the net and it goes as follows:

Perhaps the most misunderstood of all the major arcana, the Devil is not really "Satan" at all, but Pan the half-goat nature god and/or Dionysius. These are gods of pleasure and abandon, of wild behavior and unbridled desires. With Capricorn as its ruling sign, this is a card about ambitions; it is also synonymous with temptation and addiction. On the flip side, however, the card can be a warning to someone who is too restrained, someone who never allows themselves to get passionate or messy or wild - or ambitious. This, too, is a form of enslavement. As a person, the Devil can stand for a man of money or erotic power, aggressive, controlling, or just persuasive. This is not to say a bad man, but certainly a powerful man who is hard to resist. The important thing is to remind the Querent that any chain is freely worn. In most cases, you are enslaved only because you allow it.

This card explores some very frightening things, things we are taught to view as evil or shameful. Like earthy materialism, sexual desire, valuables, food, drugs. Lack of control, excess, obsession and raw ambition. At its absolute worst, this is either the addict or the stalker, totally obsessed, enslaved. At its best, this is a card about giving into impulse, cutting lose, going for the gold, climbing every mountain. Among all the cards, this is one of the most complex. Interestingly because no other card is so one-sided. Most cards urge balance, unity, restraint, yin-yang. Not this card. Completely tilted toward the masculine, it is a card that revels in extremity. There is a convincing argument that this is the most powerful and dangerous card in the deck. Magically speaking, it is the one card in the deck that holds the secret of how to escape the material and temporal bonds of Earth. It is a very potent and fascinating card.

All right I see the point. This can represent one side of Spike-Buffy relationship. I just hope that the other cards cover other aspects of Spike's personality or Buffy&Spike too.
Btw, the jumping from tower card reminds me The Gift too.


PS. And I found out now why I'm so Spuffy:

With Capricorn as its ruling sign, this is a card about ambitions.

I'm Capricorn too!

[vampmogs]

All right I see the point. This can represent one side of Spike-Buffy relationship. I just hope that the other cards cover other aspects of Spike's personality or Buffy&Spike too.

I'm not sure it will. I remember reading that these tarot cards were supposed to represent different periods in Buffy's life, both past, and some clues about the future. Each 'ship' got their card, with Buffy/Angel as the 'Lovers Card' probably as a callback to the season 2 period, and Spike/Buffy got the callback to their season six period. I'm not sure either ship will get anything more than that.

Btw, the jumping from tower card reminds me The Gift too.

Is that what it's supposed to symbolise? Cause it certainly reminded me of that.

[Enisy]

If you actually read what the 'Devil Card' actually represents in tarot cards, I think you'll find people jumped the gun on that one. It doesn't mean Spike is 'the devil' at all.

Did I actually mention the Devil Card? Don't think I did. Allie's got plenty of charges even without that.

[vampmogs]

Did I actually mention the Devil Card? Don't think I did. Allie's got plenty of charges even without that.

I don't read up on Allie's comments, because frankly I don't care But you posted in the tarot card thread, so I just assumed your post was in relation to.. the tarot cards!

[blue_peroxide]

I'm not sure it will. I remember reading that these tarot cards were supposed to represent different periods in Buffy's life, both past, and some clues about the future. Each 'ship' got their card, with Buffy/Angel as the 'Lovers Card' probably as a callback to the season 2 period, and Spike/Buffy got the callback to their season six period. I'm not sure either ship will get anything more than that.

Well yeah, perhaps not the ship. But Spike certainly deserves another card. All to himself! I think King of Cups that NileQT87 suggested is perfect Spike. Now here's the abridgement of the Wikipedia article: King of Cups is a fair haired man who is "all heart" and who appreciates the finer things in life such as music and art. He can be warm-hearted and kind. His personality is combination of the positive nurturing energy and the active, outward focus. He is usually a giver of unselfish aid, albeit one who is easily angered. He heals with a gentle touch and a quiet word. He is usually tolerant of all points of view and shows patience in the most trying of circumstances. He can be tiresomely devious if you cross him, as he is usually big on emotionality.
I mean, if we leave darker Spike to The Devil card then King of Cups just must be his "lighter" self.

And from another tarot-page:

King of Cups
The decision to start a new relationship. May indicate a man deciding to propose or just finally motivating himself to approach a special someone. This is a new love, but it is a mature love, one that is determined. Can also indicate a man motivated to be a new and better provider, father and husband. You'll never meet a kinder, gentler, more loving man. His "kingdom" is his family, and his one dream is to be sitting at the head of a huge table filled with kin, kids, grand kids, serving up food to them all. His family comes first; for them he'll work, sacrifice, do just about anything; and, yes, like the "Godfather" he will consider doing terrible things to you if you cause grief to any member of that family.

OK, I really think The King of Cups has Spike/Spuffy written all over it

Is that what it's supposed to symbolise? Cause it certainly reminded me of that.

Really? Noooo....
I was actually answering to this:

I find the one with a blonde girl (Buffy?) falling from the crumbling tower very interesting. I wonder if this could be foreshadowing Buffy's fall from grace? It has been hinted at this season.