Vampires past life...Which one's is the most impressive one?

[spuffbeste]

Hello everybody!!
We have seen vampires' past life in episodes like Becoming Part 1, Fool For Love, Lies My Parents told me, Amends, ... My question is that which vampire's past life is the most impressive one and why?

[vampmogs]

Well given what we've seen of them on both Btvs and Ats I'll say that I find Angel(us) the most impressive, or at least the most interesting. I love everything about his story, how brutal and sadistic he was. I found it interesting seeing how he drank from the gypsy girl, how he taught Spike a harsh lesson, his and Darla's relationship, how he first saw Dru.. all of it just appeals to me. And then we have Angel's life if the 1950's and during the war which I also found very interesting. So I voted for Angel/us.

[selenspuffy]

I'd say Angel(us) When you watch Ats, it's even better to understand the past life..Flashbacks are great! His firstvamp years and the last human years..really impressive in my opinion

[Nina]

I voted for Angelus. But Darla is a close second.

First Darla;
Darla was a midclass or maybe lowclass woman who worked herself up to the upperclass more as 400 years ago. I don't think a lot of women had done that in her time. I think that this is a important part of Darla. First, she loved money and being important. This comes back when we find out that she loves power and rooms with a nice view. (Ats season 2) Second, she is strong and smart. I think Darla is one of the most strong women in the verse. She was never less as men and showed that. She had power over men, and she knew that ... and more important, she used that power. In a lot of scenes she looked like the woman behind the great Angelus, but she was the boss. We can see in Ats season 2 that Darla can control Angel, she can beat him. Better, she can play mindgames with him... and win. I don't know if she used the Master for power and played with him or that she really liked him. I like to think that she played with the Master. It makes the 'Darla is the big boss' view complete.

But Angelus;
Why is he impressive? He is a monster who looks like a man. Darla is strong, smart and dangerous, but she stays a upperclass woman all the time. She kills, but never destroys ... not like Angelus. Angelus acts and looks like a rich and normal man, but his lack of humanity and his love for mindgames makes him more dangerous and vicious as others. You don't get what you see.
Besides, if Angelus wants to destroy a girl ... there is some kind of madness in him. If you see him watch and smirk, he's is crazy, but not in the Drusilla kind of way. He is bright and knows what he is doing. In season 4 of Ats, he can control the complete AI-team. They know who he is, what he can ... and he can still play with them like puppets. The most scary part is, when he is singing in the cage, he has the power and he knows it. Which brings me to the other point of Angelus what impresses me everytime again, his intelligence. He knows it all. You can't fool him, not really. Like Wesley said in season 4.

Watch the monitor when I go down. Pay attention to everything he does, everything he says. He'll try to confuse you, to play on your emotions so you drop your guard. If he succeeds-even for an instant-we're all dead. I spent my life training for this, and I'm still not ready. He's smarter than I am, and a great deal more focused. He'll exploit everything Angel knows about me and go for the jugular. Whatever he's got, I'm not gonna see it coming.

You never know what his next step will be, but he knows your next step.

[Pandora's_Box]

Strangely enough I voted for Drusilla, it would be easy to vote for Angelus since is the one we've seen most of the past, but I can easily imagine they all had complex pasts, and for what's been told, I think Drusilla had the most one, I'm just picturing Angelus killing and torturing her all family and sired her the day she became a none, that last scene would have been a beautiful/awful one if it has been filmed. I think she had the most tortured past and probably the most complex one, so if that's what impressive means, I'm voting for her.

[basakbangel]

Angel(us).

I really think, It's obvious that, Angelus had the most different and the impressive past. He is the strong man and he was this monster and everybody was afraid of him. He had a huge difference then we see him right now. And, It's perfect to see the old days of him because normally, you get more curious when It's hidden and different and so on.

[Spuffy4l87]

You know my opinion is extremley strange. I love Angel(us) flashbacks everything he did with Dru and Darla, and everything about it BUT my vote is for Spike. We don't see many flashbacks, but when we do I like them more. Angel(us) are so twisted and entertaining, but I love looking back at the poet William, Spike first as a vampire, and seeing how he grew and changed throughout the course. Angel(us) simply stayed cruel and devious until the soul, but with Spike you watched him grow into the Master Vampire.

Plus, Spike had the sexy move with swinging the pole when he killed Nikki.

Brings up another point. I love watching him kill the slayers, Those are always entertaining.

[NileQT87]

i really want joss to do a vampire quartet comic series... fill out their past stories more completely... fill in all the blanks where we know there were stories.

(st. petersburg, angelus crying at the giselle ballet, the prima ballerina and stephan vs. count kurskov, drusilla's family getting slaughtered, a look at drusilla's family and seeing--her running off to our lady of lochenbee to become a nun, darla's human life--jamestown wasn't settled until 1607--so she had to have been born in england, angelus and darla meeting up in vienna after holtz tracks them down in arles, another trip to vienna through prussia where angelus met the beast, the budapest earthquake where angelus was particularly a bad boy, the sirings of james and elizabeth, angelus and darla in north africa--complete with holtz losing them there, darla's pre-liam time with the master--from virginia to galway--there's 140 years there!, the master's origins--where he started using the name heinrich joseph nest, holtz becoming a vampire hunter, liam and kathy, what halfreck/cecily was doing in london, anyanka and halfreck's past exploits, halfreck and the crimean war, halfreck's daddy issues, angel in missoula during the depression, angel's star-studded trips to vegas with elvis & priscilla, the rat pack and bugsy siegal, angel's barry manilow concerts, spike and dru!!! at woodstock--spike feeding on a flower person and watching his hands move, spike slaughtering an orphanage and meeting roger wyndham-pryce/the council, the master getting stuck in the 1926 sunnydale earthquake, mayor wilkins' backstory with edna may--he's actually shown founding sunnydale in "tales of the slayers", etc...)

there's enough there to make one kick-ass canon and fill out the lives of all the flashback characters. also, i'm dying for darla's real name, liam's last name, drusilla's family (the youngest sister is named anne) and last name, etc... we need more than just william pratt and cecily underwood/adams. how old the master is would be great (the 600 years old thing is bunk, but there's apparently a backstory where he was born without a soul like ryan from "i've got you under my skin").

(and i voted for liam/angel(us), btw. closely followed by darla.)

[ThePoet's<3]

I voted Other - because all 4 impress me.

Darla - a prostitute about to die from a venereal disease
Dru - a young girl with the Sight who watches her entire family be killed by Angelus and then is tortured and turned herself
Angelus - youthful Irish lad who rebels against his puritan father
And then Spike - my favorite - sweet, sensitive, poetic, creative, romantic, endearingly shy, William...

Oh - and BTW - I don't believe "William Pratt" is canon. It was originally given to him in a non-canononical comic called "Olde Times". Also Brian Lynch named Spike, William Pratt in Spike Asylum. But I don't believe I've read where Joss has given him a last name.

HHHmmm... I think Joss said it was okay for Faith to have the last name LaHane(?) after she was given that name in another comic... But I'm not sure of that.

[KingofCretins]

I can give you a pretty substantial indication, although very subtle, that Faith's last name is Lehane in canon, without question. When she goes undercover in Season 8's "No Future For You", she adopts the alias

Spoiler:

Hope "Lyonne". Say it out loud. Lehane, Lyonne.

Didn't they name Spike's mom in "Lies My Parents Told Me"? I've heard Pratt and Greeley.

[ThePoet's<3]

Yeah - I thought at one time "someone" asked Joss what Faith's last name was and he said, "LaHane". I have no proof of that information.

I'm not sure about the Spike's Mom - I would have to go back and watch the epi's again for any mention of a name.

I don't have a problem with Pratt being his last name - just "Googling" - William Henry Pratt is the name of Boris Karloff...

Well - Wiki documents Joss announcing that Faith's last name was LeHane in "2005" - but well - it is Wiki.

[KingofCretins]

I think she might have been given the name in the Buffy novel "Go Ask Malice", but I'm not sure, since I haven't read it. And Joss just went with it. The only name I think he ever made up on the spot that's canon is Kendra's last name; Kendra Young.

He then went on to declare that Dumbledore is gay

Anywho, Faith Lehane is canon *now*, however it got there.

As to the topic, I think Darla's story is the most compelling overall.

[ThePoet's<3]

I always thought Darla was pretty interesting as well... The other Vamps we know a little of who they were before becoming vamps. However, with Darla we never completely know who she was. And she goes from being a pariah to quite a lady in the vampire world.

[NileQT87]

joss had to name william, kendra and faith. so, yes. faith lehane, kendra young and william pratt. and william's mother is anne. halfreck's alias is said to be cecily adams ("fool for love" script) and cecily underwood ("lies my parents told me")--and we know she's been around since at least the 1850s (crimean war)--so she wasn't human when william knew her.

i'm really itching for liam's and drusilla's last names and darla's real name (com'on! we got aud!).

speaking of aud--here's the historical personage she is named after: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aud_the_Deep-Minded

i don't know how many of you are star wars fans, but that's a universe where pretty much every hunk of rubble in the distance has been named. i'd like to see joss start working on his universe for the nerds that like that stuff among us.

and nice catch about william henry pratt being the real name of boris karloff! fantastic. and of course, the hilarity of the name "pratt" for spike, the character known for his overuse of british slang.

one thing i always thought a tad ironic is that connor's adopted family's last name is irish (reilly). nice touch. i even wonder why cyvus vail might have chosen that particular family.

[KingofCretins]

Unless there's something I missed in a flashback, I've always assumed that Drusilla was an adopted name... just as Angelus, Spike, and Darla were.

She's my *favorite* of them, and the most intriguing over all, but I think Darla has the better *history*.

[kana]

As for Dru, it was never stated as far I know if it was a name given by Angelus and Darla.

I picked Angelus but to be honest all of them have an intriguing past. I'd say Darla and Angelus were my faves, because I tend to favour the f***ed up characters and they were, even before they were vamps and Darla's overall arc impressed me a lot.

[ThePoet's<3]

joss had to name william, kendra and faith. so, yes. faith lehane, kendra young and william pratt. and william's mother is anne. halfreck's alias is said to be cecily adams ("fool for love" script) and cecily underwood ("lies my parents told me")--and we know she's been around since at least the 1850s (crimean war)--so she wasn't human when william knew her.

i'm really itching for liam's and drusilla's last names and darla's real name (com'on! we got aud!).

Why did Joss have to name William, Kendra and Faith? The Olde Times comic tries to connect William and Cecily in the past - again - it's a non-canonical comic. I've not seen any information of Joss's acceptance of the last name. If you think about it - if Pratt is his last name - Spike will be the only one of the main 4 vamps who does have a last name.

[buffyholic]

I voted Spike. His past life as a poet sounds really interesting. William was a very sensitive man and the way he loved his mother and how he wrote poetry was endearing, although his poetry was really awful. And then, to see how he changed, how he slowly became Spike. Really amazing.

[DoughnutHole]

I went with spike. That whole thing with his mum was pretty crazy... and made for a good story!

[PattyCakes]

very close toss-up between Angel(us) and Spike. Although I'm more of a Spike girl, I'm going to go ahead and vote Angel. The whole "cursed by gypsies" thing/vampire with a soul is just too inherently drama-ridden (in a GOOD way, I mean). It made for great stories, only a few of which we saw (his terrible choice in "Are You Now, or Have You Ever Been", for instance- letting the monster kill all the folks in the hotel!!!) And, the pure pathos of Bangel love, is, admittedly, very hard to beat.

I always wanted Buffy to get over herself and just GIVE IN to her (imo) "true" love for Spike, but I don't think that she really could. Anyway, that's a discussion for another thread.

Ok, so, yeah- I vote Angel~