Season 6 and 7 opinion

[major_buffy_fan]

I am just wondering what are peoples opinion on buffy season 6 and 7 because i have read alot of reviews people think season 6 was bad becasue of the villains i thought it was interesting to see some humans against buffy rather than a inhuman or god just humans. and people complained about season 7 that the charecters werent as good that giles seemed unhappy to be back and all he did was bring more slayers back and that willow jumped into a relantionship too soon after tara's death yet we don;t know how much time has passed but i think her relantionship with kennady isnt as good as with tara and that anya's death wasnt very heroic it was just she was lsiced in 2 and that xander only purpose in season 7 was to fix the house and cheer dawn up i don't agree with any of that but overall i enjoyed season 6 and 7

what do you all think of season 6 and 7 do you think it made buffy go downhill ??

i don't i thought they were 2 of the best seasons

[Enisy]

We already have a "Favourite Season" thread... Do we really need this?

[Nostalgia]

Season 6 is a very love/hate season. Some thought it was amazing and loved the darkness that it brought to the show.. others despised it (see Vampmogs). Season 7 is overall considered a weak season.. I'd say of popular opinion the seasons would rank:

Season 3
Season 2
Season 5
Season 6
Season 7
Season 4
Season 1

For me.. It goes

Season 2
Season 6
Season 3
Season 5
Season 7
Season 1
Season 4

[BlasterBoy]

I don't think these two seasons should be put together, at all

I loved Season 6. One of my favorites. So dark and so many amazing episodes. The real struggle with just life in general was a great thing. So many funny episodes (Life Serial, Tabula Rasa) and dramatic episodes (Seeing Red, Hell's Bell, Two To Go)! I love them all (mostly). I also think the Trio is amazing and everything just fits so perfectly.

Then comes Season 7. The first seven episodes show that a great season is coming. Lessons was a fine opener, one of the best to date! The last scene in Beneath You makes me gasp everytime. The loving of Willow and how far they will go in Buffy is shown in Same Time, Same Place. A fabulous one episode character comes and Buffy really loses in Help. Selfless is one of the best episodes of the series. Same with Conversations With Dead People. And, Him is hilarious. But when Sleeper comes, we go down. Suddenly, The First shows it's face....and....taunts people. Spike is a dull character that gets a hell of a lot of screentime. Important characters get wiped off the face of the earth for sake of plot, potentials, and Spike. "Get It Done" and "First Date" might just be the worst episodes of the series, falling below "Teacher's Pet" for me, maybe! "Chosen" pulled off an amazing score but had so many plot holes that I was tearing my hair out by the end of it. If only the second half lived up to the first.

[Nostalgia]

I disagree. The middle half was the worst.. the second half was excellent. You may not have enjoyed Chosen.. and I'll admit it's the worst of the last six episodes. However, Dirty Girls, Empty Places (I don't understand the hate for this episode), Touched, Empty Places, and Chosen were all good episodes. Dirty Girls being one of my top 20. As of you too Blasterboy.

[BlasterBoy]

I disagree. The middle half was the worst.. the second half was excellent. You may not have enjoyed Chosen.. and I'll admit it's the worst of the last six episodes. However, Dirty Girls, Empty Places (I don't understand the hate for this episode), Touched, Empty Places, and Chosen were all good episodes. Dirty Girls being one of my top 20. As of you too Blasterboy.

I admit, Dirty Girls, Selfless, Help, and Conversations With Dead People are all fabulous episodes.....but the first being because of Faith, Caleb, and the amazingly well choreographed fight. I do not enjoy Empty Places. I find it dull, especially after Dirty Girls, and I want to punch the Scoobies in the face. After all she's done for them..... Anyways, Touched was okay. It was the only episode I really enjoyed Spuffy and the Mayor being back was a nice touch. But that was all too it. And End of Days was good. But not amazing or something. So, End Of Days and Dirty Girls were the only good episodes in the last five, imo.

[Nostalgia]

Touched is brilliant. The acting of all of the characters I think is just overall great. I love seeing Anya and Xander at it again. I love watching the Faith-Go-Boom scene. I just think it was fantastic.

[BlasterBoy]

Touched is brilliant. The acting of all of the characters I think is just overall great. I love seeing Anya and Xander at it again. I love watching the Faith-Go-Boom scene. I just think it was fantastic.

I didn't think there was much to it, but I might need to rewatch it. The everyone having sex thing was pretty cheesy But I loved how everyone was having sex....EXCEPT Buffy And with Spike, nonetheless. The Faith-go-boom scene was really in "End of Days". You saw the explosions and people finding each other and the ubervamp in "End of Days".

[Nostalgia]

Yeah I just loved the ending to the episode.. and the Buffy vs Caleb (dodgey') was so fun to watch. She is so confident. I love Buffy

[vampmogs]

Season 6 is a very love/hate season. Some thought it was amazing and loved the darkness that it brought to the show.. others despised it (see Vampmogs).

I didn't despise season six, IMO the quality of the writing wasn't as good, but it definitly had parts of it I really enjoyed, I don't despise any Buffy. The only big problem I had with s6 was Spuffy

[Nostalgia]

I remember you saying you didn't like season six because how it brought down the characters to their lowest point.. Buffy's lowest point being wanting to die and trying to live by sleeping with Spike. So I got the suggestion that you didn't like the underlying themes either.

[Southpaw]

For me they both(especially s.6) had their moments and individual episodes that I enjoyed, but overall I didn't like the season arcs nearly as much as seasons 2 and 3.

[vampmogs]

I remember you saying you didn't like season six because how it brought down the characters to their lowest point.. Buffy's lowest point being wanting to die and trying to live by sleeping with Spike. So I got the suggestion that you didn't like the underlying themes either.

No I just think it was unnecessary to drag the characters through the dirt as long and as much as they did, I felt they were beginning to loose the point of the show and SMG and Whedon both had the same concerns by the end of it. Btvs became such a huge hit because it successfully blended so many things together, horror, action, drama, comedy ect. At time during the season the show did loose that, it focused so hard on being depressing it did loose some parts of what made the show such a hit with critics in the first place.

I didn't enjoy how Spuffy played out at all during that season, but then was anyone really supposed to? We weren't exactly supposed to be giddy at the idea of them using each other, it wasn't meant to be a celebrated thing in this season or a representation as a positive thing.

In saying all that there was still enjoyable parts, I actually really enjoyed the Willow arc, the idea of life being the big bad, and some of the dark aspects. I just think at times they lost their way.

Give me a dark season that is well written and tight like the previous seasons and I'll enjoy dark. Give me a dark season that means you have to compromise on some of the shows praised qualities in order to reach that place, and I'm not going to be overly excited about the idea. But I certainly don't despise anything about the show, it is an incredibly harsh word.

I remember Joss saying they wanted to make everything more literal in season six rather than metaphors. That is fine but what made Buffy so unique was how it told its stories through metaphors, taking that away and just giving us a show that explores its themes like many other shows out there isn't something I personally think was a great decision. You can still have life as the big bad through metaphors, which is probably why I liked Willows magic arc as a metaphor for drug addiction and Buffy's resurrection as a metaphor for depression the best parts of the season.

[major_buffy_fan]

i dnt remember the episode tocuhed well since i don't know how far it is from chosen but i agree all of them having sex is probebley rather odd but its prob coz they may never get the chance again or somthing lol

[Enisy]

I think Season 6 and 7 are suffering from "most recent season" syndrome. Fans complain that the show isn't the same as last year, the shark she has been jumped, they don't like it anymore etc... until the new season comes around, when they all turn their attentions to that and proceed to laud the season they had previously reproached. Season 6 and 7 were more extreme cases because the fans had been negatively prejudiced, due to Marti Noxon taking the "executive producer" title alongside Joss (never mind that Joss was as involved in story-breaking as ever, and Marti mainly dealt with the music and the technical stuff). However, the more time passes, the more objectively people can judge them (as can be seen by Season 6 winning "Best Season" in the Chosen Awards, to name an example).

Personally, I think Season 6 was among the best of the show's seasons, and Season 7 was no worse than Season 1 or Season 4. *shrugs*

[selenspuffy]

Season6 is my favourite season, I dont think that it's bad or something, also it's not just human vs. human stuff, willow's fight inside of herself between the magical willow and the "not-addicted-to-magic willow" and Buffy's hesitations, doesnt know what to do about Spike, being alive again..the dark side of the season is just perfect!!, I mean in this season it's different from the others b/c it's not Villain-centric(here, Trio)

[vampmogs]

I think Season 6 and 7 are suffering from "most recent season" syndrome. Fans complain that the show isn't the same as last year, the shark she has been jumped, they don't like it anymore etc... until the new season comes around, when they all turn their attentions to that and proceed to laud the season they had previously reproached.

I wouldn't nescesserily say that is the case, at least not for everybody. At least on this site there seems to be a strong dislike for s7 because quite frankly, there was so many plot holes, inconsistencys and OOC moments for there not to be. You also have to remember that people's dislike for s4 is still as strong as ever and that in no means was anywhere near the last season of the show.

Season 6 and 7 were more extreme cases because the fans had been negatively prejudiced, due to Marti Noxon taking the "executive producer" title alongside Joss (never mind that Joss was as involved in story-breaking as ever, and Marti mainly dealt with the music and the technical stuff). However, the more time passes, the more objectively people can judge them (as can be seen by Season 6 winning "Best Season" in the Chosen Awards, to name an example).

I think it had more to do than just Noxon. People found problems in the two seasons they came to their own conclusions that it musn't be a coincidence the problems started when Noxon got a bigger role. Not wanting to get into that again, but my point is that I don't think people had an automatic dislike for the seasons because they knew Noxon was going to be executive producer, they grew to dislike the season then blamed Noxon for this.

[Nina]

This topic was the reason why I stopped lurking and made an account.

I'm one of the people who really disliked both seasons. I take season 6 over season 7 anytime. But both seasons are my least favourite.

In season 6 there was a really interessing storyline (Life is evil) and the stand-alone's (Tabula Rasa, OMWF etc.) were pretty good. But I love the show for the interaction between the core four. And this season they were not really friends anymore. Giles left (I'll never forigive him for leaving Buffy on that moment in her life.), Willow was an addict, Buffy was depressive and Xander was just not really there. They were friends because they said so, not because they act like friends.
The writers wanted to make life for Buffy really bad, and it was to much for me. Life isn't always fun but Buffy had a terrible year. She was alone, she had to take care of everyone, she was depressed and none of her friends really cared. And than I didn't stared about Spuffy. That was often to painful to watch. I felt so dirty watching the scenes. I felt so bad for Buffy.
Willow and the magic!crack storyline was a little weird but I could take it. And Dark!Willow was fun to watch.
Xander was just lost in the story, he was there ... somewhere.

But season 7, that was the real disaster IMO. It started fine with the first episodes, not outstandig but fine. But it went downhill when the potentials came, when Spike became the greatest hero ever and Buffy's only true friend and the complete lack of a Willow-redemption-stoyline.
But the worst was Buffy. My hero changed from a fantastic and wonderful woman in a childish person. She was cold, arrogant, stupid and mean. I was so proud in the first 5 seasons, I cried with her in season 6 ... but in season 7 I didn't care about her anymore. The moment Faith came in, and she was the mature and calm slayer. I just felt bad, how could that happen?
Spike and his shiny new soul were not a plus either. And Andrew, gah! I like Andrew but there was just too much Andrew. Killow, no comment.

And no, I'm not done yet ... (sorry)
Chosen was a really bad closure for a great series like Buffy. It was one big plothole and the plan was just stupid. If the weird amulet didn't worked or wasn't there; The complete world would be lost. There were so much Turuk Han's (sp?) and so few slayers. I think that after 2 hours of fighting the whole team would be dead. And why did Buffy send Angel away, why not calling Oz, Riley and the whole team of Angel to fight with them? Because it was Buffy's fight? Well Spike saved the world, Buffy was just the genius behind the stupid plan.

All IMO ofcourse.

I think I sound a little bitter, I'm sorry for that.

[Enisy]

I wouldn't nescesserily say that is the case, at least not for everybody. At least on this site there seems to be a strong dislike for s7 because quite frankly, there was so many plot holes, inconsistencys and OOC moments for there not to be. You also have to remember that people's dislike for s4 is still as strong as ever and that in no means was anywhere near the last season of the show.

I remember that. I also remember that people claimed to hate Season 5 when it first aired, and it's now considered one of the best seasons they ever did.

I think it had more to do than just Noxon. People found problems in the two seasons they came to their own conclusions that it musn't be a coincidence the problems started when Noxon got a bigger role. Not wanting to get into that again, but my point is that I don't think people had an automatic dislike for the seasons because they knew Noxon was going to be executive producer, they grew to dislike the season then blamed Noxon for this.

You have too much faith in people. Prejudice abounds. For my part, I almost forced myself to dislike Season 6 the first time I watched it, just because Marti's name was in the credits; now I love it to bits. And it turns out that Joss conceived all the big events in the season, anyway: he came up with Spike and Buffy hooking up (he is quoted as telling James Marsters that "he's writing the show, and he has something a little more interesting than [one-sided Spike --> Buffy]"), with Spike and Buffy's sexual relationship (we know for a fact that he was behind the "Smashed" sex scene and the "Dead Things" balcony scene, at the very least), with Tara's death ("I killed Tara"), with Dark Willow etc.

Basically, I think the criticism for Season 7 is justified, but often blown out of proportion. For Season 6? Less justified. Much less.

[sueworld]

I didn't enjoy how Spuffy played out at all during that season, but then was anyone really supposed to?

Well obviously some people did.

Where's on the whole I dislike season seven for all the lapses in logic and plot, I like the underlying story arcs that they gave some of the characters. Trouble is I disliked the 'the canon fodder' (potentials) cluttering up the joint, and the so called Orcs, sorry Ubervamps, left me cold.

Also. lets face it what a pathetic big bad the First was. He wasn't even much cop in 'Amends'. And yes, the Chosen had so many plot holes in it you could have run a tank through them. Well done Joss! But being a Spike fan I'm glad that he at least found redemption and ended his life a hero, so for me it wasn't all bad. Trouble is it was so clumsily done. Buffy's plan made no sense, and in fact that whole last battle scene was a bit weak. CGI 'Orcs' just don't do it for me. Although I did love the collapse of the town into the hell mouth. Very nicely done.

I liked season six myself, although I love a touch of the dark, and we got that in spades during this period.

The scene with Spike under Buffy (as per) wearing the handcuffs was worth the 'price of the admission' alone for me. *snort*