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    Oh no...(looks down at Buffy's wound reflected on its body) ow! Mommy, this Mortal Wound is all...itchy. You pulled a nice trick. You came pretty close to smacking me down.

    Imagine season eight has not happened yet. The first says Its a "mortal wound" when buffy gets stabbed. Mortal by defintion would mean she died from it. There were many Different Views on this statement from above. Joss Whedon hadn't really told us what had happened. Some say that the ending is what really happened. (Which we know is what happened). Others had said that she dies and the ending of the episode from her seeing the first all the way to her smiling is her just dreaming and when it goes black, She dies. Please Tell Me What U think.
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    Well as you said, we know what happens so there isn't really much debate here We know that she did in fact survive and is still alive a year and a half on, and stronger than ever. There isn't really more to it than that, because in canon we know she survived.

    And as far as it being a mortal wound, why does that mean she died from it? In my opinion that doesn't mean you must die from it, a mortal would is just a wound we mortals can get? A wound things like Glory could not get because they aren't mortal? That is my definition of it anyway.

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    • #3
      Well, since Season 8 *is* happening, we can definitively dismiss the idea that there was a scenario where she didn't make it.

      I always assumed one of a few things -- the First, being non-corporeal, is really not an expert on these things, and is just as likely to be sarcastic than anything else. Then there's also Buffy's healing ability. There's also the possibility that whatever the amulet was doing, it was doing to Buffy when she stood with Spike.
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      • #4
        Mortal has several variations...just look at its definition:

        from thefreedictionary.com:
        mor?tal (m?rtl)
        adj.
        1. Liable or subject to death.
        2. Of or relating to humankind; human: the mortal limits of understanding.
        3. Of, relating to, or accompanying death: mortal throes.
        4. Causing death; fatal: a mortal wound. See Synonyms at fatal.
        5. Fighting or fought to the death; unrelenting: a mortal enemy; a mortal attack.
        6. Of great intensity or severity; dire: mortal terror.
        7. Conceivable: no mortal reason for us to go.
        8. Used as an intensive: a mortal fool.


        That line of dialogue refers to the bolded line above. That's the way I always saw it; it never meant anything else to me.
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        • #5
          I agree with those who said it happened, only partially because with season eight we know it happened because, you know, Joss messes around with the verse many times. Starting with dream sequences becoming reality in Nightmares, we soon see Joss isn't afraid to toy with his world. This is shown again in The Wish, and most strongly in Superstar and Normal Again... and, of course, Dawn... Having said this... I believe very strongly that Joss would not mess with the verse in the last television episode. He already killed Buffy off twice officially, and came close a few times... how many times can you kill Buffy without it being simply gratuitous?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Veverka View Post
            I agree with those who said it happened, only partially because with season eight we know it happened because, you know, Joss messes around with the verse many times. Starting with dream sequences becoming reality in Nightmares, we soon see Joss isn't afraid to toy with his world. This is shown again in The Wish, and most strongly in Superstar and Normal Again... and, of course, Dawn... Having said this... I believe very strongly that Joss would not mess with the verse in the last television episode. He already killed Buffy off twice officially, and came close a few times... how many times can you kill Buffy without it being simply gratuitous?
            Agreed. If Buffy had died in the finale it wouldn't have had a big empact, so many fans were actually expecting it and it was just kind of a "shrug" moment because after two times it had been done. Allowing her to live was so much emotional, giving her that option to choose her path was so much more powerful than having her die again. And it is great that she has chosen to continue saving the world.

            And I agree Jenny Lou, that is how I took the First's remark. Characters have always made specific mention about what it means to be mortal, particularly those who aren't or once weren't. Anya says it in 'The Body,' "It is stupid and mortal!" To someone like the First the idea of being mortal is weak, is stupid and it is something it taunts Buffy about because it wants to diminish who she was- in the First's eyes she was just a stupid mortal.

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            • #7
              I took the First's remark to mean it was a mortal wound in that it was going to kill her. But I also thought that the First isn't necessarily the most truthful person, and was just taunting Buffy, trying to get her to give up, to lie down and die.

              However, I did find it distinctly implausible that Buffy survived. Perhaps she somehow got power from the amulet when she touched hands with Spike? OR somehow the slayer spell left her with some extra healing power for a bit?


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              • #8
                Originally posted by Wolfie Gilmore View Post
                I took the First's remark to mean it was a mortal wound in that it was going to kill her. But I also thought that the First isn't necessarily the most truthful person, and was just taunting Buffy, trying to get her to give up, to lie down and die.

                However, I did find it distinctly implausible that Buffy survived. Perhaps she somehow got power from the amulet when she touched hands with Spike? OR somehow the slayer spell left her with some extra healing power for a bit?
                Agreed that the First was taunting, but I never found it implausible that Buffy survived. Partly, I think, because it was the last episode, and a little fluffiness didn't hurt. I mean, the uebervamps were initially hard to kill, then fell like itty bitty puppies... poetic license, I guess

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                • #9
                  Well those were just some of my thoughts just wondering thru my head and Thanks everyone for clearing that up for me.
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                  • #10
                    I actually never heard or think of that!. I think that without season 8 going out that will be some ending.. I think better then the corrent one cause, knowing buffy is still alive but not exactly to know what is going on with her is kind of blah. I'm just glad that they didn't tried to put all the charecter ever written on the show like Charmed did and then showing what's hapening afterwards..

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                    • #11
                      No, she didnt die- she shouldn't either. Remember, my spuffyness? Buffy says "I love you" to Spike, and they have a short but meaningful talk after that stab scene,which impresses me so much.They could talk b/c she was alive! I wouldnt accept that its not true..
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                      • #12
                        Well, some of us know she's still alive; I haven't read Season 8 LOL. I never actually thought about this, but it would make an interested fan fic or video idea

                        As for my analyzation, I think she was smiling because everything was done and over with - in that battle anyway. Now she felt strong and powerful, like she and her friends could stop any apocalyptic nightmare that came their way. In short, she lived and at that moment, she was on top of the world

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Wolfie Gilmore View Post
                          Perhaps she somehow got power from the amulet when she touched hands with Spike? OR somehow the slayer spell left her with some extra healing power for a bit?
                          There were some hints in the script but they never made it into the final cut.
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                          • #14
                            Well, actually, if you look at Chosen and that particular ending in context with the comic "Fray" (which I recommend to every Buffy Lover - because it's future history. ) you could say it "could" have been the end. Period.

                            Supposedly in the 21st Century there is a big battle in which all the demons and baddies are killed and they roam the world no longer. The Slayer is the one to do it - and no one knows if she survives the battle - and for a loooooong time no one is called again. Until Fray.

                            So, if Joss had wanted it, Chosen could have been the - The End.

                            However, Joss is aware of the fans who love Buffy and still wanted "something" - movie, one episode, cartoon, book - something to live on for a while. He loving comics the way he does said - Season 8 in comics - canon.

                            But yes - if he had wanted it - Chosen could have been the end of Buffy the Slayer.
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                            • #15
                              I had never heard the other view...that Buffy had actually died, but I guess I can see where it came from. However, I have always believed that the First taunting her like that is what gave her the strength to hop up and end the fight, once and for all. Plus, if you also watched S5 of AtS, we know that Buffy lived, regardless of the fact that there's a Season 8 in comics (which I didn't know until today...oblivious here). Angel & Spike dropped by her flat when they went to Europe...she and Dawn were out and she was dating the Immortal.

                              As far as the mortal wound comment...I believe it was a mortal wound, one that someone would die from if not taken to the hospital soon, if that person were not the Slayer. As the Slayer, Buffy had excellerated healing powers, which enabled her to continue to fight in spite of being wounded. And maybe the flowing adrenaline from fighting helped to heal it some. But, a mortal wound and a fatal wound are two different things, I guess.

                              I would have been really angry if she had died. It would have undermined the whole point of the story, IMO. I love the smile at the end...the fact that she is no longer only one of two slayers in the world and her whole life is ahead of her now.
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