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    I was thinking about what would've happened with the characters if there were no supernatural powers/magic/demons etc. If their world was normal, what would they do by now?

    my guesses:

    Angel is of course dead, I hope for Liam that he had an epiphany before he destroyed his whole life and body ...

    If Angel lived somehow in our time, I think that he would be an psychologist or something with art or literature. He is from an upper middle class family, so there is money for good education. Maybe already a family of his own or living together ... ?

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    Spike is dead as well, maybe he did find a wife ... maybe he lived with his mother forever. He would probably stay a poet.

    Also for Spike; if he lived in our time. Also William was from a rich family, I guess that he would've studied literature ... maybe still a poet? I think that he won't live with his mother anymore ... but maybe still in the same street?

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    Buffy, she would probably end highschool with all the queen bee titles and maybe a football player as boyfriend. I think that she also went to a good university and I think that she would study psychology. She would probably have a rich but smart boyfriend and a good job.

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    Xander, after highschool he started working. And I think that he would do the same work as general contractor. And I like to think that he found a nice wife.

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    Willow went to Harvard and became one of the best students in the IT. And after that, she got a very good job. I don't think that she would be ready to settle down but she has a very nice girlfriend I think. Or she is still with Oz ... you never know.

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    Cordelia went to LA after highschool and we all know what would happened to her when Angel wasn't there as well. Cordelia becomes a superstar with superstar boyfriends and very expensive and nice clothes.

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    Giles is still in England and he could choose whatever he wanted to do. So I think that he traveled a year or two before going to Oxford. After Oxford he worked as a teacher/professor and he married and got kids.


  • #2
    Where Would They End Up:

    Here we go:

    Buffy: Buffy never would have come to Sunnydale, so no meeting of Willow or Xander there. SO...she's be a cheerleader, she'd still popular like she was pre-Sunnydale, and have no bad record, graduate with a scholarship possibly, and without giant snake demons or blowing up her school, then attend UCLA or another big university, most likely succeed there, then graduate (Once again without snake demons or the blowing up of things), find a guy, get married, yada yada...I think Buffy would probably live the American Dream.

    Willow: Willow would graduate highschool Valedictorian, go to UC Sunnydale where she would again graduate Valedictorian, then find a career in some sort of science, perhaps she'd like Fred and be a physicist, or maybe a surgeon of some sort. Willow would become renowned for her work among her peers in the science community. She'd make a difference. Unfortunately, unless Oz is still in the picture somewhere, I doubt she'd have time for much of a love life. I predict she's be really busy, but still keep in touch with childhood friend Xander. Or perhaps she'd marry him. I'm not too sure on what would happen there.

    Xander: Xander would graduate, then go into the work force right away. He'll most likely be a carpenter like he is in the series, or find some other career that he doesn't need a degree for. I can't see him going to college or university in non-vampiric-demonic-magical reality, but you never know, the fact that he nearly died in Highschool was probably a factor in him not going to college/university, so if he didn't have the same near-death experiences, he might just go to college, at least. Either way, he'd probably meet the girl of his dreams, marry, have a kid or two...and of course, still be great friends with Willow (Assuming they are still friends in non-supernatural world, which, since they were pre-Buffy, I'm sure they'd still be).

    Angel: Past Angel (Or rather, Liam) would have stayed the disgrace of his family, shunned by his father, and would try to drink his problems away. He would probably not marry, but die fairly young of either liver disease brought on from excessive alcoholism, alcohol poisoning, consumption, or be stabbed/shot in a tavern brawl, most likely killed fighting over some wench. Liam in OUR day and age would probably be not too different, except he'd probably last a bit longer with modern medicine, but I can't help but see him (as Liam) either get involved with some sort of gang, or just be a drunkard all his life. He might marry one some prostitute or drunkard/druggie girl, get her pregnant, have a reality check, then become a responsible, loving father. In past or future as Angel, however, he would be an artist, perhaps a scholar or writer, and be very successful in whatever he pursues. Plus his wit and charm would score him a wonderful wife, and he'd have a son who wasn't half-vampire and raised in a hell dimension.

    Spike: As William, poor William would probably have still been rejected by the woman he loved, still lived with his elderly mother until she died, then inherit whatever money and estate they had, then, assuming he was rich, some poor but beautiful girl would feign falling in love with him and his rubbish poetry so she could live a glamorous life. They'd get married, probably never have a kid because unless she got really bored, because she would be revolted even thinking about sleeping with William, then possibly have him killed off in some way so she'd inherit all of the money. Either way, I don't think William would like a terribly interesting or happy life. As William in present day, he would still have his elderly mother and the money, grow up and be a poet, and most likely run through a similar path like he would in the 19th century, but he would probably eventually meet a good girl who genuinely loved him, and he'd be happier. I still see him dying some tragic way, like in a drunk driving accident (William being the victim, not the drunk). As Spike, however, in present days, he would probably be a good boy to start with, going to the best private school his mum could afford, then become a rebel and then drop out of highschool. He'll be a guy who likes to party and get it on with girls, and live the wildlife. He'd be a struggling musician, because I can see William/Spike into the arts in some form in any reality, and possibly make it big. Like Liam, I think he might get his girl pregnant, possibly have a wakeup call, then become more responsible. But the whole musician thing, I think it would work for him. He could become the next Billy Idol, become a punk rock legend, then die rich, happy, and leave quite a legacy behind. Or he could just die a drunk. I really don't know.

    Faith: Faith would be the way she was pre-slayer: Impoverished, seemingly unloved, and lonely. Drunken mother, father who was never around, I could see Faith heading in one of two ways: She'd cope with her problems with either substances or crime, or be the strong girl we all know she can be and try to prove her mother wrong (Her idiot mother would probably say she's worthless and regret ever having her) and do well in school, even go to college and graduate, but to no avail: Her mother still won't care. So Faith and her mother will become estranged, never to speak again, and Faith would go into a career that helps others. Either way, I think Faith will end up content in life, even if she did turn to drugs/alcohol, because we know that she can roll with the punches and could recover from whatever life throws at her. If she can seek redemption as a slayer, can't she do the right thing as a normal girl? I believe she can.

    Dawn: Magic having never existed, Dawn would not have been created. So Buffy would have stayed an only child.

    Anya: In the past, Anya would have just stayed married to Olaf (wasn't that his name?), been bored, and lived a boring life. As Anya in present day, she would have been spunky but selfish, and would probably hit on every rich guy she could until she found one to manipulate. I don't think Anya would be too different from Anyanka. I also don't think she's manipulate to be bad, but because she'd be raised bratty and would want to be that way. She would eventually settle down with a millionaire, get divorced a few years later (but not before acquiring a great sum of money and valuables) and live happily ever after.

    Giles: Giles probably would have had his bad streak as Ripper with Ethan Rayne, but obviously without the demonic activities. They'd probably get into a lot of trouble, but always find a way out. Then Giles would eventually mature, Ethan won't, Giles would become a librarian or something, and Ethan would be in and out of jail.

    Cordelia: Ringleader of The Cordettes and head cheerleader, she'd still loose her money when her parents are busted for tax fraud, move to L.A. to pursue and acting career. She'd get small gigs at first, then slowly become famous like we saw in Angel when she was given the chance to live a "normal" Cordelia-approved life. Then, at the peak of her career, she'd get her sitcom, "Cordy", which would become a hit and run for several seasons, end, then she'd have many devoted followers who create a forum much like this to discuss "Cordy". Cordelia would become a Hollywood legend, but probably be lonely, as she'll find all men shallow, only wanting her to get a good image. Sure, she'll probably date plenty of actors, maybe even marry a couple, but it will end in divorce I think, and she'll die happy on the outside, but lonely on the inside.

    Oz: Oz, without his wolfishness, would be a musician, possibly still date Willow, but they would probably part ways when Oz meets a fellow musician that he falls in love with. The pair would take "Dingoes Ate My Baby" to L.A., perform for small gigs before becoming big in the underground scene, catch the attention of big record producers, then become big-time rockers, go on tour, then live fairly happily.

    Wesley: He'd still be a little pushover like he was in Buffy Season 3, find some job, probably be a librarian or even work with Giles after he concludes his "Ripper" days, then one day have a dose of reality, realize there's more to life than books and tea cozys, then become more like the man he was in Angel (Without the betrayal). He would finally charm a woman, they'd marry, he'd have a kid or two, then die a happy man.

    Fred: Fred would have never gone to Pylea, obviously, and just become a physicist. She would probably work with a project with Willow, and together, they would discover something big, then be world-renowned scientists, possibly both winning a Nobel Peace Prize. I think Fred would stay single only because she'd probably be too caught up in her work to really care about relationships.

    Gunn: He'd still have his sister and his gang of street kids, but they'd be fighting a different evil: Neighborhood Crime. He'd be a vigilante, trying to stop gangs from taking over his part of the city, and would probably die valiantly protecting his crew.

    Doyle: Would have just been the average joe he was before he found out about his demon heritage. He'd live a fairly bland life, never have too-high esteem for himself, but marry, have a family, etc. He'd just be a "normal" guy.

    I think that's all the main charries in the Buffyverse.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Raven View Post
      Here we go:

      Buffy: Buffy never would have come to Sunnydale, so no meeting of Willow or Xander there. SO...she's be a cheerleader, she'd still popular like she was pre-Sunnydale, and have no bad record, graduate with a scholarship possibly, and without giant snake demons or blowing up her school, then attend UCLA or another big university, most likely succeed there, then graduate (Once again without snake demons or the blowing up of things), find a guy, get married, yada yada...I think Buffy would probably live the American Dream.

      Willow: Willow would graduate highschool Valedictorian, go to UC Sunnydale where she would again graduate Valedictorian, then find a career in some sort of science, perhaps she'd like Fred and be a physicist, or maybe a surgeon of some sort. Willow would become renowned for her work among her peers in the science community. She'd make a difference. Unfortunately, unless Oz is still in the picture somewhere, I doubt she'd have time for much of a love life. I predict she's be really busy, but still keep in touch with childhood friend Xander. Or perhaps she'd marry him. I'm not too sure on what would happen there.

      Xander: Xander would graduate, then go into the work force right away. He'll most likely be a carpenter like he is in the series, or find some other career that he doesn't need a degree for. I can't see him going to college or university in non-vampiric-demonic-magical reality, but you never know, the fact that he nearly died in Highschool was probably a factor in him not going to college/university, so if he didn't have the same near-death experiences, he might just go to college, at least. Either way, he'd probably meet the girl of his dreams, marry, have a kid or two...and of course, still be great friends with Willow (Assuming they are still friends in non-supernatural world, which, since they were pre-Buffy, I'm sure they'd still be).

      Angel: Past Angel (Or rather, Liam) would have stayed the disgrace of his family, shunned by his father, and would try to drink his problems away. He would probably not marry, but die fairly young of either liver disease brought on from excessive alcoholism, alcohol poisoning, consumption, or be stabbed/shot in a tavern brawl, most likely killed fighting over some wench. Liam in OUR day and age would probably be not too different, except he'd probably last a bit longer with modern medicine, but I can't help but see him (as Liam) either get involved with some sort of gang, or just be a drunkard all his life. He might marry one some prostitute or drunkard/druggie girl, get her pregnant, have a reality check, then become a responsible, loving father. In past or future as Angel, however, he would be an artist, perhaps a scholar or writer, and be very successful in whatever he pursues. Plus his wit and charm would score him a wonderful wife, and he'd have a son who wasn't half-vampire and raised in a hell dimension.

      Spike: As William, poor William would probably have still been rejected by the woman he loved, still lived with his elderly mother until she died, then inherit whatever money and estate they had, then, assuming he was rich, some poor but beautiful girl would feign falling in love with him and his rubbish poetry so she could live a glamorous life. They'd get married, probably never have a kid because unless she got really bored, because she would be revolted even thinking about sleeping with William, then possibly have him killed off in some way so she'd inherit all of the money. Either way, I don't think William would like a terribly interesting or happy life. As William in present day, he would still have his elderly mother and the money, grow up and be a poet, and most likely run through a similar path like he would in the 19th century, but he would probably eventually meet a good girl who genuinely loved him, and he'd be happier. I still see him dying some tragic way, like in a drunk driving accident (William being the victim, not the drunk). As Spike, however, in present days, he would probably be a good boy to start with, going to the best private school his mum could afford, then become a rebel and then drop out of highschool. He'll be a guy who likes to party and get it on with girls, and live the wildlife. He'd be a struggling musician, because I can see William/Spike into the arts in some form in any reality, and possibly make it big. Like Liam, I think he might get his girl pregnant, possibly have a wakeup call, then become more responsible. But the whole musician thing, I think it would work for him. He could become the next Billy Idol, become a punk rock legend, then die rich, happy, and leave quite a legacy behind. Or he could just die a drunk. I really don't know.

      Faith: Faith would be the way she was pre-slayer: Impoverished, seemingly unloved, and lonely. Drunken mother, father who was never around, I could see Faith heading in one of two ways: She'd cope with her problems with either substances or crime, or be the strong girl we all know she can be and try to prove her mother wrong (Her idiot mother would probably say she's worthless and regret ever having her) and do well in school, even go to college and graduate, but to no avail: Her mother still won't care. So Faith and her mother will become estranged, never to speak again, and Faith would go into a career that helps others. Either way, I think Faith will end up content in life, even if she did turn to drugs/alcohol, because we know that she can roll with the punches and could recover from whatever life throws at her. If she can seek redemption as a slayer, can't she do the right thing as a normal girl? I believe she can.

      Dawn: Magic having never existed, Dawn would not have been created. So Buffy would have stayed an only child.

      Anya: In the past, Anya would have just stayed married to Olaf (wasn't that his name?), been bored, and lived a boring life. As Anya in present day, she would have been spunky but selfish, and would probably hit on every rich guy she could until she found one to manipulate. I don't think Anya would be too different from Anyanka. I also don't think she's manipulate to be bad, but because she'd be raised bratty and would want to be that way. She would eventually settle down with a millionaire, get divorced a few years later (but not before acquiring a great sum of money and valuables) and live happily ever after.

      Giles: Giles probably would have had his bad streak as Ripper with Ethan Rayne, but obviously without the demonic activities. They'd probably get into a lot of trouble, but always find a way out. Then Giles would eventually mature, Ethan won't, Giles would become a librarian or something, and Ethan would be in and out of jail.

      Cordelia: Ringleader of The Cordettes and head cheerleader, she'd still loose her money when her parents are busted for tax fraud, move to L.A. to pursue and acting career. She'd get small gigs at first, then slowly become famous like we saw in Angel when she was given the chance to live a "normal" Cordelia-approved life. Then, at the peak of her career, she'd get her sitcom, "Cordy", which would become a hit and run for several seasons, end, then she'd have many devoted followers who create a forum much like this to discuss "Cordy". Cordelia would become a Hollywood legend, but probably be lonely, as she'll find all men shallow, only wanting her to get a good image. Sure, she'll probably date plenty of actors, maybe even marry a couple, but it will end in divorce I think, and she'll die happy on the outside, but lonely on the inside.

      Oz: Oz, without his wolfishness, would be a musician, possibly still date Willow, but they would probably part ways when Oz meets a fellow musician that he falls in love with. The pair would take "Dingoes Ate My Baby" to L.A., perform for small gigs before becoming big in the underground scene, catch the attention of big record producers, then become big-time rockers, go on tour, then live fairly happily.

      Wesley: He'd still be a little pushover like he was in Buffy Season 3, find some job, probably be a librarian or even work with Giles after he concludes his "Ripper" days, then one day have a dose of reality, realize there's more to life than books and tea cozys, then become more like the man he was in Angel (Without the betrayal). He would finally charm a woman, they'd marry, he'd have a kid or two, then die a happy man.

      Fred: Fred would have never gone to Pylea, obviously, and just become a physicist. She would probably work with a project with Willow, and together, they would discover something big, then be world-renowned scientists, possibly both winning a Nobel Peace Prize. I think Fred would stay single only because she'd probably be too caught up in her work to really care about relationships.

      Gunn: He'd still have his sister and his gang of street kids, but they'd be fighting a different evil: Neighborhood Crime. He'd be a vigilante, trying to stop gangs from taking over his part of the city, and would probably die valiantly protecting his crew.

      Doyle: Would have just been the average joe he was before he found out about his demon heritage. He'd live a fairly bland life, never have too-high esteem for himself, but marry, have a family, etc. He'd just be a "normal" guy.

      I think that's all the main charries in the Buffyverse.
      Wow! Great Answer and Insight into the Topic! Can't agree more!

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      • #4
        This thread is a good and original idea because it raises future possibilities as well as what might have been.

        I like to imagine Buffy as an idealistic lawyer, a crusading District Attorney bringing to justice powerful and corrupt people who thought they were beyond the reach of the law. I like to see Angel and Faith as private eyes who , in addition to their regular work, help out Buffy with some "black bag" jobs against powerful criminals and maybe politicians. (A new version of Watergate?)

        A conflict could arise between Buffy's idealistic commitment to the law, and the use of extra legal methods of getting evidence, without which the guilty might escape justice. This is not judge,jury and executioner stuff, but a more reasonable way of pushing the envelope.

        Another sub plot might be a romantic triangle between the three of them.Buffy is so used to men dancing to her tune that she may not handle competition very well.

        Xander showed promise as a businessman in the construction industry in Season 7. He could well become a self made millionaire. In the event of Buffy moving up the political ladder he could be an important backer and confidant.

        Willow should go to a great university and become, in time, a Nobel Prize winning scientist.

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        • #5
          buffy wouldn't be a lawyer... in fact, we know what non-slayer buffy wanted to be--a buyer.

          Buffy: Or maybe you'll just get a job.
          Merrick: Oh, a job. I would have been a wonderful bootmaker.
          Buffy: That is so dull! I'm going to be a buyer.
          Merrick: Of what?
          Buffy: I don't know. It's just a job I heard of. Sounded pretty cool, you know? Buying. Buyer. To buy. I like that.
          remember buffy was "spordelia" before she was a slayer. she'd have probably gotten married to somebody rich and become a housewife, not unlike cordelia's dreams of her future back at sunnydale high. remember that buffy was never the most studious even then. she was a snobby cheerleader who wanted to marry christian slater and die.

          willow would probably have chosen a more prestigious college, had the scoobies not tied her to sunnydale. the harvard/yale/several in europe would have been the ones she'd have chosen from. she'd probably have become one of those ph.d professors who spend their whole lives just publishing papers.

          fred would have been the physicist--the kind that hangs out in labs a lot. willow strikes me more as the type to become part of the liberal university academia scene--which is not a far jump from her mother, really.

          xander wouldn't have ever gone to college. construction worker or carpenter, very probably... and perhaps in many years (like it takes normally), he'd have become a manager. it appears that his parent issues may have prevented him from having a family. something akin to the anya situation probably would have happened, minus the circus folk and vengeful past victims.
          NileQT87
          The Dark Avenger
          Last edited by NileQT87; 20-07-08, 01:04 AM.

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          • #6
            Cordelia grew up. So would Buffy have done, with or without the Slayer power and mission. Character is destiny, and it is character that makes heroes.

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            • #7
              cordelia didn't grow up the same way she would have if she had never come into contact with buffy or angel. and buffy wouldn't have grown up the same way if she hadn't been a slayer. ditto with all of the characters.

              liam wouldn't have suddenly become a wise protector of innocents if he hadn't had that angelus/gypsy curse phase. liam was intelligent ("i always wanted to see the world, but..."), but wouldn't have acted upon it if there hadn't been that kick in the tookus. angelus gave liam the means to see the world, learn languages (english, latin, greek, tibetan, french, romanian, german, russian, korean, italian, etc...), study and collect art (see angel's first sunnydale apartment and impromptu museum tour guiding of manet and baudelaire), ballet, history, geography, travel, poetry, sartre, othello and desdemona, a fine arts artist who zips out piles of photographic drawings, owner of occult books on slayer prophecy that were misplaced by the watchers' council in the 15th century (the pergamum codex), etc... wesley wasn't talking out of his ass when he said angel was smarter than him--and coming from wesley, that's saying something. giles also recognized angel as an intellectual source.

              liam probably was the owner of a first-rate mind and photographic memory, but it was going to waste trapped in a small town by his father (who probably wanted him to follow in his footsteps as an upper middle class linen merchant) and eventually turned towards booze, brawls and ladies of the night. all of angel's interests are pretty specific, and liam does hint at them when he talks to darla. angelus fulfilled many of liam's wishes for worldly knowledge, which were clearly also dear to the heart of angel--who is liam.

              and yet, i doubt liam would have ever acted on any of these abilities had he not met darla. he'd have probably, like the first evil and hamilton said, gone through an unremarkable life drinking and whoring, contracted syphilis and died. "...but fate stepped in and made you a vampire."

              the same with buffy and cordelia--these are not people who were destined for great things. they had all the personality traits and perhaps even wishes to do great things stuffed down deep inside, but meeting up in the supernatural world was what released all of their hidden heroism. if they hadn't been faced with epic tests of character, they wouldn't have been self-actualized. they'd have gone on the way they were going before they met their self-actualization catalysts.
              NileQT87
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              Last edited by NileQT87; 20-07-08, 02:48 AM.

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              "Nothing in the world is the way it ought to be. It's harsh and cruel. But that's why there's us. Champions."

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              • #8
                Everybody faces tests of character and the choices we make determine who we become. Buffy was always going to become a fighter of some kind, a woman with a mission. I like her as a DA, but I could see her as a union leader or a newspaper editor.

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                • #9
                  where would these supposed tests of character happen? buffy would have gone to the prom with jeffery, had she not been absent with merrick and acting weird--thus, he wouldn't have taken jennifer's virginity. that could have very well been buffy in jennifer's place, though jennifer was easier than buffy.

                  point is, hemery-buffy was not en route to doing something great. she was en route to being a popular cheerleader-come-housewife or with a regular non-high-education job. probably in sales, being a buyer, etc... education was not her forte. and no, buffy was not a fighter. she grew to love those things because she was good at them. she liked ice skating, cheerleading and gymnastics--so she was sports-minded, but that might have only presented itself later on with her becoming a soccer mom.

                  the whole original point of the buffy story was taking the archetype of a dumb blonde cheerleader and giving her a life-altering reason to be someone other than a flake--to not be the screaming dumb blonde in every horror movie.
                  NileQT87
                  The Dark Avenger
                  Last edited by NileQT87; 20-07-08, 05:56 AM.

                  "If there is no great glorious end to all this, if nothing we do matters, then all that matters is what we do."
                  "Nothing in the world is the way it ought to be. It's harsh and cruel. But that's why there's us. Champions."

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                  • #10
                    You have no warrant for making any disparaging assumptions about Buffy's future if she had not become a Slayer. We know from what her science teacher told her in Teachers Pet that she had "a first class mind." We know from her SAT scores in Season 3 that she could have got into one of the top colleges in the country.

                    Buffy would have been no good as a fighter if she had not the heart for it. She showed what she was made of in Helpless. On many other occasions she persisted against more powerful opponents until she found a way to beat them.

                    Her guts and intelligence would have given her an outstanding life.

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