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**Revan** · 18-06-08, 08:46 AM

Originally posted by Revan View Post

Is willow your favorite character?, Why?

I like Willow for a few reasons. Fundamentally she is a good character but she has so many levels to her. She is shy, nice, and always looks out for others. She changes throughout the seasons. And her growth is beautiful to behold. She starts of as a wallflower in s1 as the typical nerd. Yet I liked her originally because I thought she was so cute especially with the "softer side of sears" outfit she wore in the 1st ep. She was so vunerable and when she was scared I could really feel for her. Joss quickly picked up on this and so decided to put her in danger as much as possible. We also wished for her to be able to hook up with Xander. Which is why many Found what happened in s3 so heartbreaking. It pretty much ended any hopes for a future proper Will/Xander ship'.

In s2 she became more hip and finally got herself a boyfriend in Oz. One of the reasons in my opinion behind the relationship was that her insecurities. Her biggest flaw led her to say yes. Cause she gets a boyfriend and the popularity points that go with it.

This is basicly why I started to like Willow. But I love her more now than I did then. I would go on to long listing everything

**vampmogs** · 18-06-08, 10:07 AM

Nice club

Willow (tied with Xander) is my second favourite character in the buffyverse. I have a soft spot for her, just like I do all the original characters and I enjoy her very much. She's changed dramatically from the girl we first met in 'Welcome to the Hellmouth' and her constant changes are always intriguing.

Aside from the magic/drug metaphor in season six, which I think screwed up her progression a little, I'd say her evolution has been most possibly the best and most thought out in the verse.

Now onto your questions;

What do you like about Willow?

I love her sense of humour. Like I said, I love Willow basically all the time, throughout all seven televised seasons, and still now in season 8. But I really enjoyed Willow in the high school years, particularly in the third season. She's extremely funny, I love her little quirks and funny facial expressions and I love how she rambles uncontrollably at times. She's very fun, particularly in those earlier years.

And I enjoy some of her flaws, it's interesting that her quest for knowledge ultimately leads her down the dark path. It's tragic really. And really, it's actually spelled out , rather flippantly, for us during 'Ted' which I hadn't noticed before. Willow reveals she kept some of the Ted robots parts, and Buffy and Willow say;

BUFFY: Will your supposed to use your powers for good
WILLOW: I just want to learn stuff

And that pretty much sets the course for Willow's character. By the end of that season when she's teaching Jenny's computer class she is reading up on paganism and witch craft and evidently, this leads her to performing the spell to return Angel's soul. Eventually she succumbs to the dark side, she enjoys being 'super Willow' and the power. Now in season 8 it appears she may have been seeking out knowledge yet again, this time with Vasuki (snake demon) which, as we've seen, has led her to do something potentially sinister.

As Willow even said herself she has a "thirst for knowledge" and that thirst has got her into trouble a lot of times and appears to be getting her into trouble again in season 8. That and her want for power of course.

Is willow your favorite character?, Why?

Not my favourite, but my second favourite (along with Xander.) Why? Because of the things I've mentioned above, the adorable little quirks, and her flaws which I find extremely interesting. And generally I have much nostalgia for Buffy/Willow/Xander/Giles. I loved when the show still focused on them and love that season 8 has come back to that after the awful season seven. I remember fondly watching the earlier episodes as a kid and being so excited to see them, and as result I have great love for the Sunnydale High Scooby gang.

What do you think of her relationships in general?

Mmm to tell you the truth this is the one area where Willow has often failed for me. Early on, I loved them. I really enjoyed Willow/Oz and was so sad to see Oz go, and I actually enjoy Willow/Xander as well. Willow/Tara wasn't bad, but I find Tara at times to be to saintly and I didn't really enjoy Willow's mannerisms and the way they changed. In the Willow/Oz relationship they seemed to shift the balance with who held more power in the relationship, and who was more dominant. It constantly changed, they interacted very differently. With Willow/Tara there was a lot of "baby this" and "baby that" from Willow, and I find that kinda talk cringe-worthy I gotta say, and Willow was definitely the more dominant. I liked the balance between Willow/Oz far more.

What is your fav relationship. Wish Oz would come back? Depressed cause her Tara died? Think she might do well with Kennedy? Or are you still hoping for the relationship of the show Will/Xander

For Willow, her relationship with Oz or Xander. Like I said, Willow/Tara was ok and I was very upset when Tara died but it didn't work for me as well as her prior relationships, and Kennedy is plain unnecessary. I look forward to seeing how season 8 deals with that relationship, so far it's impressed me immensely so hopefully it won't disappoint in this area either.

But generally I enjoyed her earlier relationships. I'm re-watching the entire series again in order (for about the 500th time, but still) and I've come to the conclusion that the group dynamics romantic-wise are far more complex in the high school years than anything the show managed from season 4 onwards. There's a lot of triangles going on there, and shared feelings.

You have Willow wanting Xander, Xander wanting Buffy, Willow falling for Oz but still liking Xander, Xander hooking up with Cordy but still wanting Buffy, Cordy complaining Xander only cares about Buffy and Willow and commenting on how Xander watches Buffy's butt, Buffy wanting Angel, Buffy having a few moments where she seemed to think romantically towards Xander "there may be hope for you yet," Willow/Xander having an affair, Willow being happy again with Oz but crying when she finds out Xander slept with Faith ect.

That's all very complex and so multi-layered, I find it extremely interesting. Whereas in later seasons it was strictly Xander/Anya, Willow/Tara and whoever Buffy was with at the time.

Is she Gay Bi Or even straight-because it was just Tara she loved and Kennedy is just a convinient rebound girl?

Who knows? I choose to think she is bisexual personally. I tend to look at how VampWillow acted for clarification on this. VampWillow really is all of Willow's subtle personality traits to the extreme, she's a raging force without holding back. And we see her capabilities of being evil, we see that she's completely into Xander one minute then liking the idea of making out with human Willow the next, her sexuality is fluid and forever changing.

**Revan** · 18-06-08, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by vampmogs View Post

Nice club

Aside from the magic/drug metaphor in season six, which I think screwed up her progression a little, I'd say her evolution has been most possibly the best and most thought out in the verse.

And I enjoy some of her flaws, it's interesting that her quest for knowledge ultimately leads her down the dark path. It's tragic really

And that pretty much sets the course for Willow's character. By the end of that season when she's teaching Jenny's computer class she is reading up on paganism and witch craft and evidently, this leads her to performing the spell to return Angel's soul. Eventually she succumbs to the dark side, she enjoys being 'super Willow' and the power. Now in season 8 it appears she may have been seeking out knowledge yet again, this time with Vasuki (snake demon) which, as we've seen, has led her to do something potentially sinister.

As Willow even said herself she has a "thirst for knowledge" and that thirst has got her into trouble a lot of times and appears to be getting her into trouble again in season 8. That and her want for power of course.

Who knows? I choose to think she is bisexual personally. I tend to look at how VampWillow acted for clarification on this. VampWillow really is all of Willow's subtle personality traits to the extreme, she's a raging force without holding back. And we see her capabilities of being evil, we see that she's completely into Xander one minute then liking the idea of making out with human Willow the next, her sexuality is fluid and forever changing.

All your points are interesting but these are something I really want to reply to now.

The first one is about the drug metaphor thing. I agree that was not a great twist although it does sort of make sense as Willow is insecure about herself and so turns to magic. I think that is her way of sustaining herself and boosting her self esteem which is very low. Because only through the magic can she help people. Her reliance on the magic increased when Oz left because she no longer had the "boyfriend in the band" coolness factor.

But I believe it's also to do with her hunger for power. Even more than knowledge. She enjoys power because through it her self esteem is boosted and she helps people out which she likes to do. She thinks people will like her more so she wants power. Where can she get power? Magic. Where can she get lots of it and fast? black magic that's where and that's where her problems in s6 come from.

I think Willow is Bi but thinks of herself as gay. Because it's cooler again back to the self esteem. Agree 100% with the Vamp Willow description it's perfect.
Also because actions speak louder than words and she acts bi. Eg finding Dracula hot.

**vampmogs** · 18-06-08, 10:37 AM

Originally posted by Revan View Post

The first one is about the drug metaphor thing. I agree that was not a great twist although it does sort of make sense as Willow is insecure about herself and so turns to magic. I think that is her way of sustaining herself and boosting her self esteem which is very low. Because only through the magic can she help people. Her reliance on the magic increased when Oz left because she no longer had the "boyfriend in the band" coolness factor.

But I believe it's also to do with her hunger for power. Even more than knowledge. She enjoys power because through it her self esteem is boosted and she helps people out which she likes to do. She thinks people will like her more so she wants power. Where can she get power? Magic. Where can she get lots of it and fast? black magic that's where and that's where her problems in s6 come from.

I agree that it all stems from Willow being insecure and wanting power. They actually save it a little here by having Willow state at the end of 'Wrecked' "who would you rather be, regular Willow or super Willow?" and in 'Two To Go' when she says "it's about power" and "six years as the side man now I get to be the slayer." And that's what I wanted to see because it's always been about power for her.

BUT the magic metaphor seemed like a lame cop-out early on. Kind of like, "oh Willow isn't thristy for knowledge and power, really it's just an addiction she can overcome" And I didn't like that. The whole addiction thing felt out of place for me, they screwed around with the mythology just to make it work, when they never needed to have it in the first place. They were setting up something very interesting when Willow tells Giles "your right the magics I use are very powerful, I'm very powerful and maybe it's not such a good idea for you to piss me off" because that's where it all stems from.

**Revan** · 18-06-08, 10:47 AM

There is a reason why people call her Darth Rosenberg she shares similar flaws to Anakin Skywalker in my opinion.

The magic metaphor does seem like a lame cop on. But it fits with her issues. It goes with her low self esteem perfectly. She went to far with the black magics. Maybe her hunger for power and knowledge led to the drug metaphor? which empasized her hunger for power and knowledge again?

In s8 she seems not to have learnt her lesson- that snake lady is a good example.
She is still playing around with powerful forces. Even more so than before, the only difference is the one person who understands ( Tara ) is dead and the others don't know enough about magic except Giles? but where is he these days.

I think her meddling with such strong forces is supposed to seem alright now since it fits with the whole female empowerment theme of Buffy.

**basakbangel** · 19-06-08, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by Revan View Post

1-What do you like about Willow?

2-Is willow your favorite character?, Why?

3-What do you think of her relationships in general?
4-What is your fav relationship. Wish Oz would come back? Depressed cause her Tara died? Think she might do well with Kennedy? Or are you still hoping for the relationship of the show Will/Xander

5-Is she Gay Bi Or even straight-because it was just Tara she loved and Kennedy is just a convinient rebound girl?

and Revan, PLEASE SIGN ME UP!!

1-I don't know where to start with. I love the way she looks to life, I love how sweet, helpful, funny and hardworking she is.

2-With counting Angel, yes. Honestly, I really prefer the S1,S2,S3 Willow. She was nerdy but sweet, helpful and caring. The needy and the cool girl.

3-Like I said, I really prefer her with Oz. I really can say that I'm a Willow/Oz shipper. They had more healthy relationship than Tara/Kennedy. I'm not saying that I dislike her with Tara/Kennedy but I just don't prefer. I respect her choice in her private life but things went pretty painy and she suffered a lot when she was with Tara.

4-I have no hope or will Xander to date her. I would really want Oz to be back, I think that could be the best way for things to settle. And they just suit perfectly. I of course was very sad with Tara's death. I have always loved her.

5-I think she is probably bi. Tara was a real love but Kennedy was just a lust, I think.

**skinless** · 19-06-08, 05:43 PM

Sign me up as I love willow, I have to go to work but I will answer your questions when I get back.

**Bittersweettwit** · 19-06-08, 11:52 PM

Sign me up

What do you like about Willow?

I love near enough everything about the character of Willow though my heart has to lie with the shy, bookworm Willow of the high school years though I do have certain affection for the confidence developing Willow of Season 4. I love the way that in High School Willow was just another girl, not the prettiest or most popular whether openly like Cordelia or with the potential as shown several times like Buffy. Instead she is a computer "geek" with a heart of gold and one of the most loyal friends anyone could imagine.

I also have to say I love Willow's habit of (especially in the earlier years) expressing disapproval of her actions through cute facial expressions, or the way that she rambles uncontrollably when nervous or excited. I also love her relationship with Xander the way in which she moved from an uncontrollable crush which she buried while maintaining a friendship to completely moving on and reaching a level of true friendship between her, Xander and Buffy never reached before. It is this friendship I want to see of more in Season 8 with Buffy/Xander/Willow conversations rather than mostly Willow/Buffy or Xander/Buffy conversations.

I do however love to see the butt kicking that Willow gives out in the later years. Though I am also glad the writers are in Season 8 allowing for her to be defeated rather than a Mary Sue.

Is willow your favourite character?, Why?

No though she would be up there?. The main reason being that I feel at times more emotionally invested with the character of Buffy who is my favourite.

What do you think of her relationships in general?

Hmm tough question. I have to say that I love most of Willow's relationships. I loved the one wayness of her feelings for Xander in Seasons 1 and 2 or the awkwardness they felt after their kiss in "Lovers Walk" I especially love the conversation between them in The Wish. It amuses me every time

Xander: (jerks back his hand) Oops! Sorry. But why 'oops'? I mean, we always touch digits. It's a friend thing. Comfort. Like chocolate.

Willow: (shrugs) Maybe it used to be, but since we... It's different. (Xander looks away) I-I'm sorry. But if I wanna make things right with Oz, my hands, (Xander looks back) my -- all my stuff -- has to be for him only.

I also love the relationship of Willow/Oz. I just find it to be so cute and the way that Willow and Oz appear to instantly connect to one another from the moment that they meet. I just feel that the dynamics of the relationship worked so well. They balanced each other out well without anyone in particular being dominant. I also enjoyed her relationship with Tara feeling that she really helped the character of Willow grow in confidence. However I also feel that her protectiveness of Tara brought out the worst in the character. For instance it was her attack on Glory that made Willow dabble with the dark arts fully for the first time and it was her death that caused the creation of Darth Rosenburg. Don't worry Tara fans I don't say I blame her?. But I do think that Willow protectiveness of her brought out the worst in her.

As for Willow and Kennedy I think it is just horrible and unnecessary.

What is your fav relationship. Wish Oz would come back? Depressed cause her Tara died? Think she might do well with Kennedy? Or are you still hoping for the relationship of the show Will/Xander

I think that Willow/Oz was the best in the show though Tara and Willow might have had what it takes to go the distance. However the main reason I vote for Oz is as mentioned previously I think he brings out the best in Willow whereas Tara unknowingly at times brought out the worst. I also feel that Willow/Oz shared a much more balanced relationship than the one she had with Tara.

Is she Gay Bi Or even straight-because it was just Tara she loved and Kennedy is just a convinient rebound girl?

Personally I think Willow is Bi with a tendency towards females.

**Revan** · 20-06-08, 12:40 AM

Hi and Welcome! basakbangel,skinless and vampmaster. I won't answer all of the questions yet. But I'll answer this because a few people have posted now. See what you think.

What is your fav relationship. Wish Oz would come back? Depressed cause her Tara died? Think she might do well with Kennedy? Or are you still hoping for the relationship of the show Will/Xander
My Favorite relationship of all time is Tillow. And my Favorite characters are Willow 1-4 and Tara 5-6. In my opinion Willow and Tara loved each other more than anyone else on the show. And possibly ever in TV and movies. Why are they My Favorite Characters?
Well to me Willow 1-3 has the same has the same situation as Tara until s6. Or specifically till Tabula Rasa.

Willow's biggest flaw is her need to make herself happy. Because she has such a low self-esteem and that was the flaw in the relationship. I really fell in love with buffy in "Once more with feeling" or specifically the Song "Under your spell" I have to leave the room if people sing it cause it might make me cry. They were just so beautiful together and the only problem was Willow's need to make sure Tara never left her. Which of course made Tara leave her because of the disgusting mind-rape. But I don't think the relationship is flawed in any way becasue Joss had to kill Tara of to make sure that no-one remained in a stable caring relationship because that is the bane of the show

**Michael** · 20-06-08, 02:15 AM

I love Willow's intellectual curiosity . In that sense she is the most interesting character in BtVS. Buffy is actually just as smart as Willow but her interests veer away from the academic. Their relationship is more important than any other. In some ways it has been bad for Willow. Willow should be working on the frontier of human knowledge, pushing it back and back and bucking for a Nobel Prize. For a person of her caliber witchcraft strikes me as second rate and a dead end.

Yet Buffy saved her life in the first episode, and more than that , gave her a purpose in life which rescued her from the horrors of social exclusion and low self esteem. Willow has been a vital factor in Buffy's survival and success, and she has helped to change the course of history.

Looking to the future, after the age of magic has come to an end, I can see Buffy as a great trial lawyer fighting against miscarriages of justice, and Willow as a distinguished college professor collecting the Nobel Prize after all.

**Revan** · 21-06-08, 07:30 AM

Bi, everyone says that Willow is bi. Why? Because she admits that she is Gay. She goes on about being gay. And she only truly fell in love with a woman. And since she discovered that she was gay she hasn't looked back. People have gone their entire life without realising that they are gay. The relationship with OZ is debatable. Just because she enjoyed being in a relationship with Oz does not necessarily mean that she really likes men. She would have been flattered in the first place. And You might say she enjoyed the relationship. Well in that case everyone is gay because if you had a relationship with someone opposite your prefered tastes don't tell me that you would not enjoy it. The comfort you would enjoy. And it really does not matter not going into detail here but you would do the same things pretty much anyway. And it would feel quite similar. Basicly I am saying that everyone is bisexual in that they would enjoy either. It's just the one they mainly prefer that relates to what one would call oneself. A investigation was done. And it was agreed that all people can be put on a scale from 1 (completely hetro) to 7 (completely homo) most people are 3. If one was at either extreme then they would not be able to relate at all with the non-prefered gender.
If you can have a friendship with one then it could, given the circumstances and desire evolve into love. A point of this is that it's not men and women but people. It just depends on what you prefer in general.

Therefore my point is that if one prefers the opposite gender then they are straight and if they prefer there own they are gay. This is my arguement for Willow being a lesbian. Because she obviously prefers women. But would be open to men and was in the past. That makes her open minded not bisexual.

Looking forward to your answers.

Some more questions.

Do you like her more before she discovered magic

Do you think her road to redemption was long enough? And has she truly learnt her lesson?

Favorite Quote?

Favorite Moment?

What moment made up your mind that you liked Willow?

**Dipstick** · 26-06-08, 11:03 PM

I just love Willow. My favorite character of the show. And while I think that Wesley was the "best" character in the Buffyverse because he was complex and consistently well=written (while Willow faltered along with BtVS in S6-7), Willow remains my favorite. Because she's not pretentious and makes me giggle and smile like a loon on endless repeats and has possibly the most unique dialog on television and is totally real, while being all kinds of exciting and special.

What do you like about Willow?

I kind of covered it in the first paragraph. But my top five reasons for loving Willow in no particular order.

1. Her intelligence. I always love a smart female character and Willow's not only a registered genius, but is a non-pretentious genius with a completely original way of thinking.
2. Her compassion. The Scoobies are great compassionate group, but Willow was always the one I would count on most to not judge, but rather come up with tea, sympathy, and genuine solutions for problems.
3. Her hilarious, quirky personality. She has this sunny, fun air about her that's really great on reruns.
4. Her relationships with other Scoobies. Whether it's best-gal pallness with Buffy, old friendship with Xander, friendly animosity with Anya and Cordy, or respect and adulation for Giles and Jenny- Willow comes up with vibrant friendships all around.
5. That despite her great qualities, she's ultimately compex and flawed many times because of her great qualities. It's really something that here's a cutsey girl-next-door who everyone feels protective of and has a roster of fantastic qualities and unexpectedly develops magical powers, but hardly a person would call her a Mary Sue. Because Willow is self-righteous, sometimes selfish, way needy, and sometimes has a temper to match her hair ;-), she's fabulous- definitely not perfect.

What is your fav relationship. Wish Oz would come back? Depressed cause her Tara died? Think she might do well with Kennedy? Or are you still hoping for the relationship of the show Will/Xander

Willow/Oz is definitely my favorite. Cute, sweet, and unexpectedly deep with magical chemistry between SG and AH. I'm not fond of Willow/Tara. I thought that Tara ran down Willow way too much and never really showed her any trust or affection. I thought that Willow loved Tara, and Tara loved being loved by Willow. Plus, since Tara actually is a Mary Sue, I thought the relationship wasn't balanced. I did like Kennedy, but the relationship was abruptly written and created at a bad time for Willow. I did like Willow/Xander and I could definitely get behind pairing the two. But I do think that Buffy/Xander would work even better in post-BtVS. Although I was rooting for Willow/Xander more than Buffy/Xander in S1-3.

Do you like her more before she discovered magic

Well, this is my order of favorite seasons for Willow from most beloved to least.

S3
S2
S4
S1
S5
GAP
S7
S6

So Magic!Willow in S3 and 4 definitely rate high for me. And I still love her in S5. I even still like her in S6-7, but it's much harder for me- like most every character. It wasn't really magic that hurt Willow per se. Rather it was a) limiting her skills to only magic and ignoring her more interesting brain power and role as a friend and comfortador and b) the writers trashing her reputation to use her as a cheap Big Bad.

Favorite Quote?

One is too hard. I can't even really make a top ten. I'll just spit out five of my faves and make them come from many different episodes.

1. "I'm eating this banana. Lunchtime be damned!"- Dopplegangland

2. Her whole rant in Reptile Boy. Well, why do you think she went to that party? Because you gave her the brush-off! (to Giles) And you never let her do anything except work and patrol! And I know she's the Chosen One, but you're killing her with the pressure! I mean, she's sixteen going on forty! (to Angel) And you! I mean, you're gonna live forever! You don't have time for a cup of coffee?!"

3. "Ours is a forbidden love"- Lie to Me

4. It's just in High School, knowledge was pretty much frowned upon. You really had to work to learn anything. But here, the energy, the collective intelligence, it's like this force, this penetrating force, and I can just feel my mind opening up--you know?--and letting this place thrust into and spurt knowledge into... That sentence ended up in a different place than it started out in."- The Freshman

5. "You really need to find the fun B (Buffy glares)....uffy."- Faith, Hope and Trick

Oh I lied, I need more quotes.

6. "Alternate universes don't stay put. Trying to send him to a specific place is sort of like, like... trying to hit a puppy by throwing a live bee at it. Which is a weird image and you should all just forget it."- Triangle

7. "A bunch of wanna-be-blessed bees."- Hush

**Maru Nui** · 10-07-08, 10:51 PM

Is Willow you're favorite character? Why?
I don't know! hehe I just love her. She's funny and smart and for some reason I put a lot more emotional investment in her than anyone else.

What do you think of her relationships in general?
Xander was good, Oz was better, Tara was a groanfest, but decent, and I wish we could burn Kennedy at the stake (That'd be kind of ironic though, but I don't care! HAHAHA!

)
What is your fave relationship?
OOOZ!!! Bring back Oz! Since they moved on to comics, screw Seth Green and bring back Oz!

'Kay, I'm done.

Cheers,
~MARU~

**Retrograde** · 11-07-08, 08:03 AM

Sign me up please! Willow = love

I'll come back and answer the questions in an edit when my mind starts functioning properly

**stormwreath** · 11-07-08, 02:12 PM

What do you like about Willow?
I (over-) identify with her. If I were Joss, she'd totally be my Mary Sue.

Is willow your favorite character?, Why?
Yes. See above.

What do you think of her relationships in general?
Her pining for Xander was cute. I liked her with Oz at first, but feel a bit leery of it now on second glance; he could be too cold and controlling sometimes, and she was basically with him as much for the social status it gave her and because she didn't want to be alone as for anything else. With Tara, there were problems with the power dynamic; they were too co-dependent and clingy. But by the end of S6 all that seemed to be changing and they were well on their way to a relationship of equals, just as Tara got herself shot. Kennedy is in many ways the most healthy relationship Willow has ever had, although her messing around with Saga Vasuki may be about to change that.

And for completeness - Willow totally had a huge crush on Buffy which Buffy was oblivious to. I also think she has a complex attitude to Faith mingled with hate, jealousy and desire.

What is your fav relationship. Wish Oz would come back? Depressed cause her Tara died? Think she might do well with Kennedy? Or are you still hoping for the relationship of the show Will/Xander
Willow/Kennedy.

Is she Gay Bi Or even straight-because it was just Tara she loved and Kennedy is just a convinient rebound girl?
Gay. Not completely gay - somewhere between 4 and 5 on the Kinsey scale - but she prefers women, and can't really see herself wanting to get together with a man again.

Do you like her more before she discovered magic
No.

Do you think her road to redemption was long enough? And has she truly learnt her lesson?
I think she's still on that road. Redemption is a process, not a prize - just ask Angel. And yes, she's truly learned her lesson - but that doesn't mean she can't make exciting new mistakes again in the future, because "it's different this time".

Favorite Quote?
"Bored now".

"I brought marshmallows! Occasionally I'm callous and strange."

"Giles, I-I just talked to Buffy and, yeah, I think she's feeling a little... insane. No, n-not bitchy crazy, more like 'homicidal maniac' crazy. So I told her to come to you. 'Kay?"

"Nisi mort, nisi al finitei. Te invoc, spirit al trecerii.
Te implor Doamne, nu ignora accasta rugaminte! Lasa orbita
sa fie vasul care - I va transporta sufletul la el!
Este scris, aceasta putere este dreptul
poporuil meu de a conduce.
Asa sa fie! Asa sa fie! Acum! Acum!"

Favorite Moment?
"Oh. My. Goddess." et seq.

What moment made up your mind that you liked Willow?
Not sure. It was a gradual process.

**Wolfie Gilmore** · 11-07-08, 02:51 PM

What do you like about Willow?

Her highly digressive mind. I sympathise. But also, the way she won't take any crap, even when she doesn't feel she's that confident or powerful. I loved her "get the hell out of my library" bit?even though I can't remember where it's from. Season 2? Also, she can make knives fly across the room.

Is willow your favorite character?, Why?
No. I don't really have one I think. Unless it's Buffy. Or maybe Andrew? Am I still qualified to join?

What do you think of her relationships in general?

I don't know about in general, as all her relationships seem quite different to me. With Oz, she seemed grateful for his interest, and sweetly fond of him, but a lot of her attitude was based on fear and insecurity ? she kept wanting things because she thought he'd want her to want them, or that he'd want her because of them. IE it was about what HE wanted, not what she wanted.

I think that's pretty typical of teenage relationships though, especially on the part of someone very analytical and nervous. I think she did love him, and he, her. But I didn't like him very much as a character, so that colours my view of their relationship. His fcking monkey pants speech makes me so inexplicably cross. I think it's the cutesy nature of it. It's so?I dunno. Like a speech someone would make in a Romance Manga. Also, as Stormwreath says:

I liked her with Oz at first, but feel a bit leery of it now on second glance; he could be too cold and controlling sometimes, and she was basically with him as much for the social status it gave her and because she didn't want to be alone as for anything else.

I totally agree re cold and controlling. Someone that aggressively rational is a pain in the arse as a boyfriend. Painfully literal minded about emotions ? when he tells Willow off for trying to make herself feel better about cheating with Xander?gah, that's good advice if you're her guru-slash-father?but boyfriend? Cold. I don't trust people that deadpan. They've either got no soul or no imagination.

Yup. I really don't like Oz, it seems.

Tara/Willow was sweet in places, but often unhealthy, even to the point of abusive in season 6. As with Oz, my enjoyment of the relationship was somewhat spoiled by not being that into Tara as a character. She was a bit of a wet blanket, and rather earnest a lot of the time. Against the Scooby backdrop of quips and sarcasm, that doesn't work so well for me. Though I loved her when she mocked Spike for the cramp in his pants?and the "can you just be kissing me now" moment. On the whole, I want to see Willow with someone who's just as funny and spiky as she is.

So, now that Kennedy is getting more funny lines, I can see that working better.

What is your fav relationship. Wish Oz would come back? Depressed cause her Tara died? Think she might do well with Kennedy? Or are you still hoping for the relationship of the show Will/Xander

I agree with Stormwreath? so far, Willow/Kennedy is the most healthy. I'm not sure she's "the one" for Willow, or whether Willow is ready to focus on another person enough. But she seems good for where Willow's at now. Their intro as a couple was a bit lame ? the "seduction" scene didn't really wash. I didn't get the sense that Willow was that attracted, more surprised. But it's believable now. Loved the "didn't miss you" scene in the latest comic.

Is she Gay Bi Or even straight-because it was just Tara she loved and Kennedy is just a convinient rebound girl?

Mostly gay? maybe the reverse picture of Buffy? Maybe a bit less gay than Buffy is straight though. But it's hard to say, do you count someone's life as a totality, or what they feel like NOW? Because, on average, Willow's bi, if you go on past feelings as well as present ones. But maybe that's the thing?she's Bi then, gay later. Or in other words, hello, gay now. I don't really see her going for another guy? but you never know.

Do you like her more before she discovered magic

No. Though I did like her a little less when she was a crack ho. But love her current magical persona?snakes and all.

Do you think her road to redemption was long enough? And has she truly learnt her lesson?

Depends on the lesson. I'm not sure there's an objective standard to this? Willow's in a new place. I'm not sure if it's entirely a good place, morally or emotionally, but it seems it?for now.

Favorite Quote?

"I think this line's mostly filler"

Favorite Moment?

Her facial expression in "Him" when she realises she can change RJ's sex. Oh Alison Hannigan, you can act but good!

What moment made up your mind that you liked Willow?

Not sure. But definitely liked her in Choices. Oh yes. Bad. Ass.

**stormwreath** · 12-07-08, 12:57 AM

Originally posted by Wolfie Gilmore View Post

I agree with Stormwreath? so far, Willow/Kennedy is the most healthy. I'm not sure she's "the one" for Willow, or whether Willow is ready to focus on another person enough. But she seems good for where Willow's at now. Their intro as a couple was a bit lame ? the "seduction" scene didn't really wash. I didn't get the sense that Willow was that attracted, more surprised. But it's believable now. Loved the "didn't miss you" scene in the latest comic.

This is getting spooky. Are you sure you're not me?

But I agree (see! see!) that Willow was mostly surprised, overwhelmed and even irritated in the scene in 'The Killer In Me' - but there are two more words we need to describe her feelings there: "flattered" and "intrigued". Willow still has her geek-infested roots, and Tara was even more shy and insecure than her, if that's possible. Kennedy is both cool and hot, rich and self-confident and utterly gorgeous, and someone Willow would probably think (but never admit) was totally out of her league. And yet here she is blatantly coming on to her. It's no wonder Willow's initial reaction was suspicion...

If anything, I think it was the fact Kennedy refused to give up on her when all the other Scoobies just shrugged and let her sort out her own mess - and then Kennedy actually solved the problem and saved her life - that convinced Willow to give it a try. Oh, not to mention the catharsis of finally being able to let go of Tara's ghost.

I love the way that episode starts with Willow making tea for Kennedy, and ends with Kennedy making tea for Willow. It shows a balance and equality in their dealings with each other.

**Dipstick** · 13-07-08, 05:13 PM

I liked her with Oz at first, but feel a bit leery of it now on second glance; he could be too cold and controlling sometimes, and she was basically with him as much for the social status it gave her and because she didn't want to be alone as for anything else.

I have to defend my Willow/Oz ship. I agree that one part of Oz's attraction for Willow was social status. But ultimately, Willow fell in love with Oz for his Oz-ness. For the way he treated her, his kindness, his intelligence and his sense of humor. Yes, Oz's social status was a superficial draw for Willow. Just like Xander's stability was a draw for Anya or Angel's hunk of night status was a draw for Buffy or Cordelia's status and beauty was a draw for Xander. The presence of a superficial attracting aspect doesn't mitigate the relationship.

As for Oz, I never saw him as controlling. He never made decisions on what Willow can and can't do- unlike Tara who regulated and controlled Willow's opinions and use of spells up the wazoo. Yes, he rejected Willow's physical advances on two on screen occasions. But that was just as much or more about his decision to have a physical relationship. Oz's point in Innocence was that his whole fantasy of making out with Willow would be sacrificed if he kissed her for the first time when he knew Willow was trying to make Xander jealous. Oz's point in Amends is that their first time having sex together would be empty and unenjoyable if it was just about her proving herself to him. In both cases, Oz is controlling his own sexuality and autonomy- which he has the complete right to do.

Other than those sexual instances, Oz doesn't control anything that Willow does. Willow does her own thing with academics, computers, her friends, and magic- independent of Oz. Oz makes friends with Willow's friends, but doesn't force her to be his groupie or make friends with band-mates. He encourages Willow to speak her mind and be herself.

Although, I am with you in liking Kennedy. I don't flove the Willedy ship, but it has potential, no pun intended. There are actually a bunch of similarities between Willow/Oz and Willow/Kennedy. Both Oz and Kennedy are very self-confident and are absolutely great romantic partners on paper. Oz is cool, smart, witty, and sexy. Kennedy is gorgeous, rich, and strong. Both Ozlow and Willedy aren't about magic. Willow/Tara was founded on the basis of magic. Willow's and Tara's sex life was mainly magic. Magic was the ultimate focus of their conversations together. Willow/Oz and Willow/Kennedy are interesting in that Oz and Kennedy don't know or care about magic. Kennedy is intrigued by Willow's power, but Oz and Kennedy love Willow for non-magic reasons. Tara, on the other hand, was into Willow for her power, until she started being afraid of it.

In the Ozlow and Willedy relationships, Willow is definitely the more feminine one. In Tallow, while there's no clear "butch" one, if questioned I'd pick Willow as being the more "masculine" of the two. Willow's relationship with Oz and Kennedy is also much more physical. Oz and Kennedy make it super-clear that they're very attracted to Willow physically from the get-go. From cute ("You have the sweetest smile I've ever seen") to brash ("Have you seen you?"). Willow doesn't make her physical attraction to Oz and Kennedy as clear, but it's definitely there considering how Oz and Kennedy are sold as sexy and desirable. However Tara never makes it clear that she wants Willow physically. Willow has her "breast girl" comment, but Willow puts Tara too much on a pedestal to really want her in a sexy, desiring sort of way.

**Bittersweettwit** · 14-07-08, 10:58 AM

Do you like her more before she discovered magic?

Hmm this is a tough question for me. You see as I said before I am more old school when it comes to the character of Willow and as of such yeah I would be inclined to say yes to this question, but at the same time I don’t want to completely rule out the latter half of Season 2 or Season 3 which were great years for the character. So my answer is that I like pre magic Willow, or new to magic Willow than the all powerful white Wicca goddess of later seasons for the reasons I stated earlier on.

Do you think her road to redemption was long enough? And has she truly learnt her lesson?

Honestly I think Willow is still on her road to redemption. True she has been making a lot of progress and her visit to the coven in the summer between Season 6 and Season 7. But lately I think she has started to regress when it comes to the magicks. In season 7 she was cautious with the magicks only ever using it when it is absolutely needed. Now in Season 8 she seems to be falling back into using the magicks more and more. We have even seen that she is apparently unconcerned now about the dark roots which grow in her hair when she taps into the most powerful of magicks.

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Favourite Quote?

Willow: (with dignity) Occasionally, I'm callous and strange. (The Zeppo)
Willow: (takes and closes it) A doodle. I do doodle. You, too. You do doodle, too. (Gingerbread)
Willow: You two are the two who are the two. (Yoko Factor)
Willow: I owe you pain (Tough Love)
Willow: Six years as a side man and now I get to be the slayer (Two to go)

Favourite Moment?

Oh there are so many great moments for Willow, but I think my favourite ones are when she takes charge when no one else is there to do so. One in particular is in the hospital in Becoming when she insists on casting the spell to restore Angel’s soul. The girls mind is made up and there is nothing anyone is going to be able to do to change her mind. I loved her line “Do you see my resolve face? You've seen it before. You know what it means.”

What moment made up your mind that you liked Willow?

Honestly I can’t really remember I think I pretty much liked her from when I started watching Buffy.

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