Friends, Confidantes, Lovers: Cordy/Angel fans

[sherrilina]

Okay, since it seems that there were so many Cangels here that the anti-Cangel thread was turning into a Cangel fan thread , and since it's my favorite thread and I've been meaning to re-start it here anyway, here it is!

To start things off, I thought I'd re-post these two posts here from the other thread that summarizes a lot of why I adore Cangel so much:

Actually I think C/A was the most realistic, heart-warming and naturally progressed relationship in the whole Whedonverse. More often than not love isn't all about falling for each other on first sight and instant attraction but about steady and slow development. The progress from loose acquaintances, to co-workers, to friends and finally lovers was beautifully done.

Their relationship was about change and growth with each other and finding in that process that what used to separate them from each other became the thing that complements them. Like Angels broodiness brought out Cordelia's caring traits and Cordy's bubbling and sunny personality nudged Angel's human and dorky side to the surface. Angel and Cordelia high-lightened each other's positive character traits, they were both better people because of the influence of the other and I love that about them.

I have no idea how anybody can categorize them as brother and sister. Cordy's initial statement when she sees Angel for the first time refers to her being attracted to him. In 'City Of..' Angel calls Cordy a 'hottie' and the way he checks her out in that flimsy bathing suit in 'Belonging' is everything but brotherly.

Some people seem to think that just because there was no open sexual tension between them, they weren't physically attracted to each other. But you have to look into the nature of their relationship to understand its expression. It was based on friendship, trust, loyalty and closeness. They lived under the threat of the curse, denying that they had deeper feelings for each other, hence outward and open sexual tension wouldn't have fit with this couple. But that doesn't mean, that it wasn't there. You just have to look for it in the small gestures and gazes, it's subtle and more hidden, because physical attraction isn't only about aggressive sexual tension, it's also about intimacy and tenderness and Cordy and Angel had that in spades.

So no, their relationship didn't feel forced or unnatural to me, but rich, deep, layered and organic!

EXCELLENT post! And so very true--there was nothing "deja vu" about Cangel, unless you think that any relationship that Angel has as a vampire with a human is deja vu--and in that case, if Angel was only allowed to love Buffy and could never have his own love interest on his own show, it would be so boring....love interests are a major part of what makes a show tick, and you can have a whole show with no love interest present on the show for the lead character. And the relationship itself was nothing like Bangel--Bangel was much more fairy-tale like or epic, while Cangel is more realistic and down-to-earth. Bangel is more dramatic and angsty and over-emotional, with much more fighting and all-around drama-rama, while Cangel was more understated and subtle, more peaceful and content. And Cordy and Buffy have much different effects on Angel. Buffy mostly keeps Angel for herself, and is ok with him being in the shadows waiting for her and her alone (so jealously does she guard him that he's hardly able to talk to another woman without Buffy having a fit), encouraging him to brood and not encouraging him to hang out with her and her friends more. With Cordy it's the opposite--Cordy doesn't put up with Angel's brooding, she forces him to confront his feelings, draws him out into the human world, brings out a more human side of him, helps him feel more connected with the world rather than letting him continue to feel isolated from it (outside of his contact with Buffy). Also, for the most part Cordy is much more accepting of Angel's vampiric nature than Buffy is, I think. Though Cordy sometimes teases Angel about beign a vamp, she openly gives him blood in her kitchen glasses (even trying to prepare it in a new and special way), and when she brings it up is usually matter-of-fact--unlike Buffy, who, as Angel notes "always brings up the vampire thing every time we argue". On this note, Buffy is also always wishing for a normal life with Angel, that he could be a normal boyfriend and she a normal girl--her conversation with Angel at the beginning of The Prom is almost painful to watch. Cordy on the other hand, just accepts Angel as a vampire and makes the best of it--she doesn't try to pretend he's soemthing he's not.

I don't mean to completely dump on Bangel--I do love it in seasons 1-3 of Buffy. But I'm just pointing out that Cangel is a completely different relationship than Bangel, and is not "deja vu" in the slightest!

Anyway, just PM me if you want to join, and post why you like Cangel, some of your favorite quotes and moments, etc!

Shipper List:
1) sherrilina
2) galathea
3) bishopcruz
4) Francy
5) Cori
6) Epic
7) Cordelia Chase
8) ficbitch82
9) Paradise
10) Miela

[sherrilina]

Okay, let's try again...to get some Cangel-related discussion going, I read somewhere (I think it was a Wikipedia article for fun) that loving the person was necessary to passing on the visions--like with Doyle passing them onto Cordy, and Cordy passing them onto Angel. Now I know it's just a theory, but I think it's an interesting one. I'm not entirely convinced--what Skip says would contradict it, but then we don't really know, and can never fully know, how much of what Skip said in Birthday was the truth and how much was manipulation and deceit (though Jane Epenson said that Angel going crazy after getting the visions himself and having no one to comfort him after Doyle's death was accurate and hoe it would have played out--so that can be accepted as a Cangel moment, lol). It certainly would be oen potential explanation for why Cordy couldn't pass the visions on to anyone she kissed in PG, but then could in YW, since she wasn't in love with Angel yet--but on the other hand, it could have to do with being about to die, as both Cordy and Angel were. Either way, in both cases the visions were passed on to the person that the bearer of the visions loved, whcih could be a coincidence or not, and the visions were passed through a kiss--which to me would indicate that there's something to the love theory, since kissing is a part of love, and it'd be weird for people who don't love each other like that to kiss to pass the visions on. And there had to be soem reason Doyle passed the visions on to Cordy rather than Angel--I think love does play some role, but maybe isn't the only thing.

So what do you think--is love a factor? How much? If Cordy had not loved Angel in YW, could she have passed on the visions to him?

[galathea]

Okay, sign me up I am not very active in the Whedonverse anymore, but C/A will always be one of my favourite tv couples.

Personally I don't think that romantic love, being in love with the one you pass the visions to, is a trigger for passing the visions. Mainly I have two reasons for that assumption:

a) When Cordelia is in Pylea, it is prophesized that she would give her visions to the Groosalug by a mating ritual. There is no indication that they would need to be in love for that ritual, the priests made that perfectly clear or they wouldn't have tried to force it onto her.

b) If we assume that the reality created in 'Birthday' was a valid one, Doyle passed the visions to Angel, because Cordy wasn't there. And if we agree on the fact that Doyle wasn't suddenly madly in love with Angel in that reality I guess the passing of the visions wasn't triggered by romantic love.

My personal theory for the trigger that passes the vision is a different one. We know, no matter how much you might want to loose the visions via a kiss it doesn't simply work that way. Cordy proved that in 'Parting Gifts'. So it's very likely the intention with which you give/take the vision(s) that determine if they are passed. When Cordy tried to get rid of them, she was selfish and only thought about herself. When she took them from Angel with a kiss in Birthday, she was selfless and did it for the care of the people she loved and because she accepted them as part of who she was.

When Doyle gave Cordy the visions was a similar set-up. The visions might have been able to pass between them, because Doyle was giving his life seflessly for Angel and his mission in that moment. To pass the vision to Cordy made sure Angel wasn't fighting blind after his death and it gave Cordy her purpose in life. So passing the visions has to do with love, but not necessarily romantic love, but love for the mission and for the people in need.

While I am convinced that the way Cordy and Angel kissed showed very clearly that they were in love, it might have not been the reason why Cordy was able to pass the vision to him (and it was stressed that Cordy only gave him the one vision and not the visions), but the fact that it was a selfless act on her behalf, that she gave her life for and made sure Angel kept on fighting.

Passing the visions was always connected with making a selfless sacrifice than rather deep romantic love, because I think while Doyle admired Cordy and had a huge crush on her, they were not in love at that point. So I consider selfless sacrifice the only constant variable in all instances we see the visions pass from one to the other.

[sherrilina]

Passing the visions was always connected with making a selfless sacrifice than rather deep romantic love, because I think while Doyle admired Cordy and had a huge crush on her, they were not in love at that point. So I consider selfless sacrifice the only constant variable in all instances we see the visions pass from one to the other.

That makes sense--though I think love might also be a variable, even if not a constant one! I mean, if Skip was telling the truth as far as what the PTB intended Doyle to do, than love (or his "crush") led him to give the visions to Cordy rather than Angel, and I think it was love (unconsciously remembered perhaps) that partly led Cordy to accept the visions once more from Angel in Birthday (if Willow and Tara can remember their attraction for each other even with their memories gone in Tabula Rasa...). And I think that while Cordy knew she had to pass the visions on to Angel in YW, kissing him was also partly motivated by love. Plus, kissing is a pretty love-related thing, lol....it would be so weird to have Doyle kissing Angel! (But again, he don't know if we can trust Skip with that one--it's all very subjective). Why make kissing the mode of transferring visions if love/attraction/etc had nothing to do with it? Also, love was often behind self-sacrifice on Angel--for example, Cordy agreeing to become half-demon and keep the visions out of love for Angel.

Speaking of her transferral of visions in YW, something that I always wondered about was why Cordy started to walk out of the room, then turned around and went back to kiss him and give them to him? Was it for dramatic effect, to hide that there were visions to be passed on to the audience? Did Joss originally intend for her to pass on visions, or did that come with the Thorn plotline begun when they knew ATS would be cancelled? Or was it that Cordy only just got the vision as she was walking out, and in that split second decided to give it to Angel? What do you think?

[bishopcruz]

Well, I don't think love is a prerequesite to passing on the Visions, but it was never made clear exatctly how they move from one person to another. Doyle got them after the death of Lucas, so it's kinda hard to say.

Oh, and sign me up BTW.

Moving on to some more general Cangel stuff because well, don't have much to say there. Let me talk about why I loved the Cangel ship so much.

I think it was because I loved how neither Cordy, nor Angel were smothered by the relationship, and that is DAMN rare in the Buffyverse, when just about every ship tends to make the involved parties become defined solely in relationship to the other. I was a Cordy/Angel fan from S1 onwards (by around TSILA) because I loved how the she and Angel really brought out the best in eachother. Angel is a show that was in many ways about moving beyond one's past, and it was great to see Angel moving past his relationship with Buffy.

They were also great friends, and I have stated I loved the whole idea of relationships spriging out of friendships. They didn't have to be this whole dark firey doomed love thing. I thought that was great. It's a shame that there aren't more ships like this in the Buffyverse.

[Francy]

Add me to the list, please, Katharine!
I am not a hardcore Cangel shipper, I never got into it that much, because it's impossible for any other couple...my heart is consumed by Spuffy! LOL But I love their relationship. Like with Spuffy, I love the progression they went through...that's what I like to see, character development and changes. I love how they got from indifferent working partners, to friends, to confidants, to romantic interest... I love how both Angel and Cordy grew so much together in LA, how they got to know each other completely, and to understand each other without even having to talk. I love how Cordy keeps Angel grounded, and can give him a metaphorical kick in the ass when he needs it.

It always bugs me when people say that Angel and Cordy falling in love is not realistic or is forced...on the contrary, I find it the most natural thing in the world! Two great friends who know each other inside out, who care deeply for each other and would die for each other, who work together all the time and are all but bad-looking..what's not natural in them falling in love? Situations like that happen all the time...then, you may fall for someone, or not. Angel and Cordy did. There's nothing wrong about it...I get the impression that people who refuse the Cangel idea believe that falling in love ruins a friendship...it's not true! Friendship is the base on which every lasting relationship has to be built. Cordy and Angel falling in love with each other doesn't destroy their friendship, it adds more layers to it. And as it often happens with such a complicated thing like emotions, it's difficult to get a clear picture of your own feelings, especially when they develope and change. I have no doubt Angel and Cordy were in love, even though they were having troubles realizing it. Unfortunately, that love never had the chance to grow, because Joss is unnecessarily evil.

So, yeah....love Cangel! And look, I even posted here....I haven't posted in the Spuffy thread in months. Too bad I'm not into the Buffyverse anymore!

[sherrilina]

Well, I don't think love is a prerequesite to passing on the Visions, but it was never made clear exatctly how they move from one person to another. Doyle got them after the death of Lucas, so it's kinda hard to say.

I don't think he got them from Lucas though, or that Lucas ever necessarily had them--I think the idea was that the PTB gave the visions to Doyle in punishment and penance for having let his fellow half-demons die like that, for refusing to help--it was his path to redemption. Who knows who had the visions before Doyle, or if more than one person can have the visions at any one time? I wonder if it's like the slayer, where there's only one seer...but I digress!

I think it was because I loved how neither Cordy, nor Angel were smothered by the relationship, and that is DAMN rare in the Buffyverse, when just about every ship tends to make the involved parties become defined solely in relationship to the other. I was a Cordy/Angel fan from S1 onwards (by around TSILA) because I loved how the she and Angel really brought out the best in eachother.

I also think I was a Cangel fan for sure from TSILA onwards. Of course I knew it was going to happen or start to happen since I watched Angel on DVD after having begun to explore online, and I had seen the pics from Awakening on the TNT website, where they have the pic of them standing together, looking like at each other like they're about to kiss (awww! ). I actually remembered having a negative reaction at first--like wait, how can Angel be moving on to Cordy--what happened to his big love for Buffy? It kind of bothered me more than the idea of Buffy moving on (which I approved of, since I was a Spuffy from the beginning, having begun my Buffy experience with some of season 7). Then I watched the show, and fell in love with Cangel--once I saw it happening, I knew it was perfectly fine and natural for Angel to move on, and a wonderful thing! But it was by TSILA that I was sure, and I think it's in that moment that the foundations for Cangel also really begin--Angel realizing how much he needs her, and holding her hand like that when she wakes up is like the starting gun, IMO--after that moment, they grow much closer (with the little interim for crazy Darla obsession, lol), Cordy grows more concerned and selfless after having seen so much pain and suffering everywhere, and Angel has discovered that he does have something to live for, people he cares about and that connect him to the world.

I do definitely think they bring out the best in each other--from the beginning Doyle remarks that Angel chose well to hire Cordy, saying that "She can be your connection to the world. She has a very humanizing influence..." Sure, the latter comment wasn't entirely serious, but the first one was, and he turns out to be right--Cordy definitely has a humanizing influence on Angel, forcing him into the light, metaphorically speaking. In turn, through Angel's influence Cordy becomes a much more caring, concerned, and selfless--her love for him changes her so much--I mean, can you imagine her willingly giving up part of her humanity and life as a famous and wealthy TV actress so she can continue to live an anonymous life in a world of demons and monsters, and continue to help Angel fight the good fight back the way she was in Sunnydale? She would never do something like that for Xander, that's for sure! :eyeroll:

They were also great friends, and I have stated I loved the whole idea of relationships spriging out of friendships. They didn't have to be this whole dark firey doomed love thing. I thought that was great. It's a shame that there aren't more ships like this in the Buffyverse.

Exactly--IMO friendship-->something more is one of the best models of love, and I always enjoy them in TV, books, and movies (well, in most cases--for some reason I can't picture Buffy/Xander at all, though I was a Willow/Xander shipper initially--though B/X is a bit different perhaps because from the beginning of his friendship with Buffy he wanted something more...). For example, I love the idea of Holly/Artemis in Artemis Fowl, if anyone here reads those books, or of Harry/Hermione in Harry Potter (at least in the first 5 books). Or Fanny/Edmund in Mansfield Park, Emma/Mr. Knightley in Emma, etc. In the latter two cases epspecially the pairings were initially considered to supposedly be like "brother and sister"--something some Cangel bashers accuse Cangel of being--and they turned into fine romances (since they weren't really brother and sister like deep down, though it may have appeared that way to some on the surface)! So it definitely does happen, it's just as legit a model of love as the angsty epic melodramatic love Bangel follows, or the love/hate model Spuffy adheres to.

And just a lovely Cangel quote of the day, from THE ultimate Cangel epp, YW:

Cordy: I mean, I figured you'd be lost without me, but this--
Angel: I am lost without you.
Cordy (sighing): You just don't remember who you were.
Angel: Remind me!

Awww....! Just as he says in TSILA, That Vision Thing, Deep Down, and again in the end of YW, Angel needs Cordy--to confide in, to comfort and console him, uplift his spirits, make him laugh, make him feel confidant in himself, keep him from brooding and languishing too much--look at how he turns out in Birthday in the reality where she isn't part of his life! He goes insane without her there to comfort him and help him through his grief! This is another thing I love about Cangel....

[Cori]

Since Katharine has asked so nicely, I decided to post in here as well. So sign me up!

Like Francy, I do not feel as strongly about Cangel than I do about Spuffy. However, this does not mean that I did not thoroughly enjoy their relationship over the course of the Ats seasons.

I loved how Cordy and Angel grew as a couple, first they were only acquaintances, then they became really close friends and then they fell in love. It felt like a very natural process to me. I mean it was not that at the beginning of Ats season 1 they were friends and then at the end of Ats season 1 they were lovers. It was a very gradual thing and therefore also very realistic. For me as a viewer, it made total sense because gradually Cordy became the person who knew and understood Angel best and vice versa. When you are that close to someone, falling in love with that person is not so unthinkable, on the contrary it can be the next step in your relationship. This is also the reason why I like Spuffy so much, their relationship was also gradual, it always developed just like Cangel did.

I have so many favourite Cangel scenes, it's hard to choose. I adore the end of Provider with Cordy, Angel and baby Connor lying comfortably on a bed, they look like a loving family to me in that scene. You're Welcome of course has many lovely Cangel scenes and the end makes me cry every time I watch that episode. I also love Angel getting all protective of Cordy when she is shooting that commercial in a bikini in season 2. Oh and I like this particular scene a lot:

It's in "Dead End" when Angel forgets what kind of sandwich Cordelia likes so he buys a whole bunch for her:

Cordy: "Soup and salad, too? What is going on here?"
Angel: "I forgot what you liked."
Cordy: "Why didn't you ask me?"
Angel: "Well, you said, why is everyone asking you if they can get you anything, and-and I didn't wanna *do* that..."
Cordy: "So you did this - instead."
Angel: "Yup."
Cordy: "I love you."
[Angel smiles]
Cordy: "And you ought to do *that* more often."
Angel: "Buy you food?"
Cordy: "Smile."

Awwww!

[bishopcruz]

I don't think he got them from Lucas though, or that Lucas ever necessarily had them--I think the idea was that the PTB gave the visions to Doyle in punishment and penance for having let his fellow half-demons die like that, for refusing to help--it was his path to redemption. Who knows who had the visions before Doyle, or if more than one person can have the visions at any one time? I wonder if it's like the slayer, where there's only one seer...but I digress!

OT note before moving on, the visions were an interesting thing, and for some reason I always felt that Dru had had them also. It just kinda makes sense to me. As for the Lucas thing, I'll have to rewatch Hero. Moving on.

In the latter two cases epspecially the pairings were initially considered to supposedly be like "brother and sister"--something some Cangel bashers accuse Cangel of being--and they turned into fine romances (since they weren't really brother and sister like deep down, though it may have appeared that way to some on the surface)! So it definitely does happen, it's just as legit a model of love as the angsty epic melodramatic love Bangel follows, or the love/hate model Spuffy adheres to.

I always hated that argument, it is one of the main ones used against B/X (you dislike B/X, I dislaike Spuffy.) and C/A and as you said it rings false to me. I think the friendship model works ever so much better than the first sight "You are my destiny! My twu wuv forever! of Bangel."

The killing of Cordy almost ended Angel for me. If not for just how very damn good the last two episodes were, it probably would have. I mean, losing cordy really hurt Angel, because those two WERE the core of the show.

[sherrilina]

I loved how Cordy and Angel grew as a couple, first they were only acquaintances, then they became really close friends and then they fell in love. It felt like a very natural process to me. I mean it was not that at the beginning of Ats season 1 they were friends and then at the end of Ats season 1 they were lovers. It was a very gradual thing and therefore also very realistic. For me as a viewer, it made total sense because gradually Cordy became the person who knew and understood Angel best and vice versa. When you are that close to someone, falling in love with that person is not so unthinkable, on the contrary it can be the next step in your relationship. This is also the reason why I like Spuffy so much, their relationship was also gradual, it always developed just like Cangel did.

(Emphasis my own) Very true and well put! I was just watching Deep Down and Slouching Towards Bethlehem last night (speaking of which, I couldn't help thinking of ATS when that phrase STB was used on the Daily Show, lol!), and there were a couple of scenes in these episodes that really emphasize the great extent to which Angel is the one who understands Cordy best, and vice versa, as well as how close they used to be--I love how in Angel's dream/fantasy about meeting Cordy on the cliffs Cordy says, "You know me better than that. Better than anyone," and he says, smiling, "I don't know about that!" to which she replies, "Yes, you do." I know that this is Angel's fantasy about her (and the fact that he's sitting there dreaming about being with her is something I've always loved and squeed about as well! Obviously he had some pretty strong feelings for her if all he dreams about is kissing her! ), and that she's doing what he wishes deep down she would do--like tell him she loves him--I still think that it shows how close they were and how well they knew each other--it shows that Angel at least would like to think that he knew Cordy better than anyone else! It always makes me so sad, how happy he is at seeing her, only to realize it's not what happened! But then in STB when he first sees Cordy (which also breaks my heart, how he runs at her, smiling so hard and saying "Thank god you're back!", only to then stop smiling and look hurt and confused when she backs away), and she says, "So we know each other?" he says, "Yes, very well." It's beautiful for two people in love to know each other so completely! Even though it's not in DD and STB, I also love the quote in Spin the Bottle (also an STB I guess, lol!) when Angel says, "All I know is that you are my dearest friend! I want that back..." Awwww....what's wrong with your love interest being your dearest friend as well? And who could have imagined back on Buffy that Angel would ever say that to Cordy? Again, gotta love the gradual development!

[Epic]

Cangel has to be one of my favorite, favorite ships. the real reason is the love blossmed natrually, wasn't forced or automatic but right. It wasn't doped up or cheesy, its just these two characters grew, and fell in love together.

[Cordelia_Chase]

Sign me up for this one!

Im a huge CAngel shipper...

Yeah ok i know Buffy was mean to be 'the one' for him..and to start with yes i believe that...but as both Angel and Cordy grew as chacters, i truley beilieve such a dee meaning full yet complealty different, but complealty real and true love grew between them.

"We're we in Love?"
"We were"

But i think she really should have said..."we are!"
I mean ok i know she went through alot, but if she loved Angel...like i know she still did and was pretty much proven later in 'Your Welcome'

I just know Joss doent like many of his characters having 'happily ever afters'
*sigh* It would have been nice to see them have a glimmer of a chance...a glimmer of hope together.

[sherrilina]

Sign me up for this one!

Im a huge CAngel shipper...

Welcome! Always good to have more Cangel-shippers around!

Yeah ok i know Buffy was mean to be 'the one' for him..and to start with yes i believe that...but as both Angel and Cordy grew as chacters, i truley beilieve such a dee meaning full yet complealty different, but complealty real and true love grew between them.

"We're we in Love?"
"We were"

But i think she really should have said..."we are!"
I mean ok i know she went through alot, but if she loved Angel...like i know she still did and was pretty much proven later in 'Your Welcome'

Well that wasn't Cordy at the end of Spin the Bottle, though, that was Jasmine--though her words are confirmed by Cordy's "I'm in love with Angel" at the end of Tommorrow (so DUH they were in love! ), and her words in YW ("I always fall for the dumb ones!" "And that's the man I fell in--" (meant obviously to be finished "love with")).

That's another beautiful thing about Cangel--they don't need to say the words outright to one another, just actions and gestures are enough--their love is beyond words. Another example of this is Angel's "She's still the woman I--".

I also love the way Angel smiles at Cordelia--a smile I think of now as his special "Cordy smile"--a smile we see even back on BTVS, when he was in love with Buffy! For example, in SAB when he finds her in the dumpster, he smiles while saying "Cordelia...this is the last place I'd expect you to be!" And the way he smiles and *gasp* (for BTVS) LAUGHS in reaction to what she was saying--I mean, how often did we see Angel laugh on BTVS? Not very often...so the fact that she could make him laugh even back then, when he was much more of a "broodyboy," is pretty amazing.... Then there's how he smiles when she makes him waffles, when he buys her food in the scene mentioned by Cori, when she assures him that Connor will love him on the bed, when he's just watching her speak, smiling, his head propped on his hands, in The Bachelor Party (even back in season 1!). I just love how much he enjoys Cordy's presence and speech, and I think it helps lighten him up a lot and connect him to the world. No wonder he was so desperate to get her back in DD!

Here are my first two completed Cangel vids--hope you enjoy!

"Lucky"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kglyNTXAk3o

"Accidentally in Love"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L6J9bO5iEc

[Cordelia_Chase]

Aww...Angel Cordy.....

I really do think they were a vital part of the Joss Universe. And i vital part of everything Angel and Buffy.

From what you were saying Sherrilina, i think it could have possbile been ordained from the start...but he needed to be with Buffy before he got to the real love of his life. i mean it really is true, you have to kiss alot of frogs befor you find your prince.

[ficbitch82]

You can definitely sign me up over here!

I'm a C/A Shipper through and through (though I do dabble, occasionally, in moments of insanity with Cordy/Spike or Cordy/Dean from SPN). Heh.

I've been a sort of Hopeful Shipper since S1 - meaning I'd hoped they'd get together, but didn't really expect it. Then when it happened, I loved it (Character Assassination attempts not withstanding) and didn't find it forced at all, like some people often suggest.

I thought it was sweet how it developed from tentative friendship, into trusting each other with pretty much everything, into a mature, sweet kind of love that could have been so wonderful, had the writers (and Asshat) not been deadset against breaking away from the whole BangelImmortalTranscendent thing.

And y'know, that storyline ala S4. Which sucked beyond the telling of it. *shudders*

Some of my favourite moments (circa S1, because if I start doing them all I'll be here all week and you lot'll be extremely bored) include:

-- CORDELIA: Well, I got news for you, broody boy. We're all we've got now. You may not like sharing your grief with others, but that's the normal, healthy way people deal with loss. I'm not going anywhere, so get used to it. I'm staying right here! (her watch beeps) Oop! I gotta go. Commercial audition. If it wasn't a national, I'd blow it off. - S1, Parting Gifts.

-- CORDELIA: No! I don't care how many files you have on all the horrible things he that did back in the powdered wig days! He is good now. And he's my friend. And nothing you or anyone else can say will make me turn on a friend! - S1, Somnambulist

-- CORDELIA: Sure it's in you. We all have *something*. But it's not the only thing that's in you. You're not him, Angel. Not anymore. The name I got in my vision, the message didn't come for Angelus, it came for you. Angel. And you have to trust that whoever The Powers That Be be, -are, is... anyway, they know the difference.
ANGEL: Yeah.
CORDELIA: People really *do* change.
ANGEL: Yes they do. And sometimes they change back. If the day ever comes that I...
CORDELIA: Oh, I'll kill you dead!
ANGEL: (blinks) Thanks.
CORDELIA: What are friends for?-- Somnambulist

-- ANGEL: I'm gonna get you back, Cordy. I need you back. - S1, TSILA


Christie

[Paradise]

Hey! I'm a Cordie/Angel shipper, I'd like a number and to chat here with you all!

[Epic]

So when I rewatch telivison shows I rewatch them in order. (I had to watch all of buffy s1-3 to watch Angel) So now that I'm on s1-ep5 of Angel, I already can feel my Cangel shipper bones tingling.
Though I didn't really become a ship shipper I always thought there was something I really liked about Angel and Cordy, and I figured out when its first present for me at least, is IN THE DARK, after being tortued for hours, when Cordy and Doyle *and Oz, come to the rescue, how Angel says 'Cordelia?' is in such a humane manor a just want to tilt my head and sigh, 'ahh'.

More on that another time.

I have another question.... I'm trying to make request a banner on another site, and I was thinking of all people you could help me out and might be amusing for all of us---
What are your 3 favorite Cangel moments? ... in pictures?

[Miela]

Epic, totally agree. I was recently rewatching season 1 and that once scene totally struck me. I love the way Cordelia wants to rush to Angel's aide but Spike stops her and she shouts "Angel" in this really painfully expressive way. I also didn't notice that Angel shouted back "Cordelia." It was almost as if her being there awakened him and he wanted to reach her as much as she wanted to reach him.

Also, the way Cordelia shouted Angel also reminded me of her similar shout-out in the 100th episode when Angel is fighting Lindsey (You're Welcome)

[sherrilina]

Hi Miela! Welcome to the thread! Always nice to have another Cangel around...

And wow Epic, my 3 fave Cangel moments in pics...so hard! I guess that list wouldn't necessarily correspond to my 3 fave moments, as two of my fave moments, the YW kiss and Angel tenderly kissing Cordy's forehead in TMB don't really have good pics of them--what with the spinning in the YW kiss, and how dark it is in the TMB kiss.

So here's one list, though it could always change:

1) Cordy and Angel leaning towards one another, smiling, to kiss at the table in Angel's first fantasy in Deep Down--that's just such a great scene, and I'm so annoyed at stupid Connor that he had to stop them from kissing!

For a real moment, though, I love it when Angel gives Cordy the new clothes and she hugs him and they jump around, smiling--I don't think I've ever seen Angel smiling so broadly up to then as in that moment--and they both just look so happy together...

2) When they're lying on Angel's bed at the end of Provider, feeding Connor, and talking softly as they drift off to sleep....it's just such a wonderful, warm, real-feeling scene, and they look like such a nice, happy family together...stupid Holtz and Sahrjahn!

3) When Angel and Cordy are "trying out bedrooms," lol, in Tommorrow, and they're just sitting on the bed together, with Cordy reassuring Angel that Connor will have to love Angel b/c of who Angel is, and then they just smile broadly at each other again, looking so happy my heart breaks at the thought of what happens next! I think Cordy would have made Angel so happy, and it's such a shame they never had a moment of "being together" romantically...stupid writers, stupid Joss! I think this scene really sums up their relationship, especially the "Friends" and "Confidantes" part!

[Miela]

Fav moments - too many moments to mention

I'll just copy most of what I have recently said on another forum:

TSILA is brilliant. I just love the fact that Cordelia is so determined to make Angel feel alive and human - she refused to let his vampirism define him. I've highlighted the parts that I really love in this exchange with Wesley.

Wesley: "What connects us to life is the simple truth that we are part of it. - We live, we grow, we change. - But Angel..."
Cordy: "Can't do any of those things. - Well, what are you saying - that Angel has nothing to look forward to? That he going to go on forever, in the world, but always cut off from it?"
Wesley: "Yes."
Cordy: "Well, that sucks! We've got to do something. We've got to help him."
Wesley: "I'm not sure we can."
Cordy: "What is your deal? You go around boring everyone with your musty scrolls and then you say there is nothing we can do?"
Wesley: "He is what he is."
Cordy: "He's Angel. He's good. And he helps the helpless and now - he's one of them. - Well, he's gonna have to start wanting things from life, whether he wants to or not!"

Even when Wesley was quick to give up on him, Cordelia refused. She never gave up on Angel - EVER, EVER, EVER!!! When she says to Wesley that he is one of the helpless, it mirrors what she last said to Angel in the 100th episode - that he "made the list" as one of those that needed help. Her unwavering belief in Angel and her determination to humanize him, tugs at me old heartstrings b/c Cordelia is what brings him closer to human. Look how she tries here:

Angel: "Morning."
Cordy: "Morning. - Want some coffee?"
Angel: "No, thanks."
Cordy: "How about a doughnut? Chocolate..."
Angel looking through a book: "No."
Cordy: "Creamy fillings?"
Angel laughs a little as he looks at her: "No. I don't want anything. (Cordelia makes a sound and looks at Wesley) Am I supposed to know what this is about?"
Wesley: "We - were just discussing how - you don't - want that many things."
Cordy: "You're cut off. But don't worry, I'm gonna help you with that."

I love how she says that she will help him - not even Wesley. She made it her own little mission!!

Also, the bit about seeing the Oracles cracks me up - The little swivel she does with her body and the hand gestures she uses to encourage him to get out of the house!

Cordy: "Oracles. - Get out of the house. - Could be fun." LOL