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  • How would they like it if they had an evil twin? The ferula gemina question

    Scenario. Toth from "The Replacement" is waving his ferula gemina rod around. The one that split Xander into his stronger and weaker halves... what do you think would be the result if he hit all sorts of characters from Buffy and Angel? If Giles was hit, would he split into Ripper and a tweedy librarian? What would Andrew's better/stronger half be like? Willow's? Buffy's? Wesley's? Lorne's? Bueller...anyone...?


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  • #2
    I wonder what would have happened to Buffy. You know what would have been a *really* interesting way to go? Have Buffy basically be Buffy and have Senaya just appear beside her.

    But, leaving that aside, I think Slayer Buffy would be sort of... CaveBuffy + WishverseBuffy filtered through matching Sharon Ferguson's approach to playing Senaya.

    Human Buffy would be... Buffy, but sort of "Helpless" frustrated plus "Superstar" unassertive.

    I think Riley might be the more interesting to see. I'm going to have to think about what the farula gemina would do to Riley.

    I'm terrified of what it would do to Willow.
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    • #3
      Giles would probably be split into Watcher Giles and Showman Giles, as in Restless.

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      • #4
        Oh no, Willow should never split, sweet geeky Willow and super evil witch Willow ... *shudder*

        I think that Angel would split in the vampire demon we saw in Pylea and Liam. But I think they would go with Angelus and Liam if it would ever happen.
        The same with Spike,

        Cordelia would split in the bitch and in the saint. So you have the snapping, snarking queen C, and the lovable, sweet and motherly Cordelia.

        I think that Wesley and Giles both would split in the clean watchers and in the ass-kicking Ripper and super-scruffy!Wesley.

        Buffy would be 'sweet, girly and friends-first' Buffy and general Buffy.

        Gunn would be interesting, I've no idea how he would split.

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        • #5
          Just to be snarky, I'm going to say that Andrew wouldn't be split at all. He's still too entirely one-dimensional IMO. What's he going to split into, comic-book reading/sci-watching Andrew and Repressed!Closeted!Andrew?

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          • #6
            That's funny, I was thinking of Anya as being basically immune to the thing -- the different parts of her personality are so well integrated, at best she would be a clone.
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            • #7
              no, andrew would be split into a trekkie and a star wars fan. and then, they'd argue over which is better.

              buffy would be human spordelia-buffy or helpless-buffy and the more warrior and demon-like sineya (the first slayer).

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              • #8
                Originally posted by KingofCretins View Post
                That's funny, I was thinking of Anya as being basically immune to the thing -- the different parts of her personality are so well integrated, at best she would be a clone.

                Maybe she'd split into her demonic/man-hating side and a more human, money-loving side?

                Maybe Andrew (feels weird using my own name...) would split into his cowardly, weak half and his stronger, braver half. It's actually really hard figuring this one out... Actually harder than Anya's IMO.

                Maybe some of the Big Bads? Glory and The Mayor would be interesting... What about Jonathan, Dawn, Oz etc.?
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                • #9
                  Andrew, re villains, I'd be interested to see Ethan's stronger/weaker selves. I feel that it wouldn't necessarily be his good and bad halves, more like his incompetent and cowardly side plus a charming supervillainous side. Perhaps his stronger side wouldn't wear such awful shirts?


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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Andrew View Post
                    Maybe some of the Big Bads? Glory and The Mayor would be interesting... What about Jonathan, Dawn, Oz etc.?
                    I think The Mayor is kind of a difficult one, because apart from wanting to be a demon, he was just a genuinely normal, nice guy. So unless one of his halves can be the sodding huge snake thing, I'm not sure what he would split into. He didn't really have much of a dark side. Or his dark side wasn't that dark, it was kind of cheery. I'm just rambling now. But he's a tough one.

                    Faith would be very interesting. I'm really not sure if you could split her into two distinct halves, there's so much going on in there. Best I could come up with would be one half: raving sex fiend, party animal, recklessly impulsive, total slaying machine and the other: almost childlike, vulnerable, damaged, guilt-ridden type. Would be a sight to see, certainly.

                    Dawn's a hard one. Anybody got a view on that?

                    What about Kennedy?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Wolfie Gilmore View Post
                      Andrew, re villains, I'd be interested to see Ethan's stronger/weaker selves. I feel that it wouldn't necessarily be his good and bad halves, more like his incompetent and cowardly side plus a charming supervillainous side. Perhaps his stronger side wouldn't wear such awful shirts?
                      You definitely see both of these sides of Ethan. He's rather incompetent in A New Man and Band Candy, especially once he's caught.

                      Originally posted by OkinawanSteel View Post
                      I think The Mayor is kind of a difficult one, because apart from wanting to be a demon, he was just a genuinely normal, nice guy. So unless one of his halves can be the sodding huge snake thing, I'm not sure what he would split into. He didn't really have much of a dark side. Or his dark side wasn't that dark, it was kind of cheery. I'm just rambling now. But he's a tough one.
                      Maybe a less distinct difference? The ambitious, manipulative side and his loving, fatherly side. The real beauty of the Mayor's character was that while he was manipulating people (Buffy/Angel and Faith come to mind) he also had genuine feelings of concern for Buffy and love for Faith.

                      Originally posted by OkinawanSteel View Post
                      Dawn's a hard one. Anybody got a view on that?
                      Maybe it would split her into her strong, knowledgeable side (e.g. Grave, Beneath You and Get it Done) and her annoying, immature side (Real Me, Older and Far Away, Him)? I like the idea that her Key-ness wouldn't be separated and either block the spell or be transferred to one of the sides.

                      Originally posted by OkinawanSteel View Post
                      What about Kennedy?
                      It's rather difficult to separate a character we only knew for half a season... I can't really come up with one specific to her character.

                      I'd like to get some discussion about how the ferula gemina would affect people with dual natures or magical properties. Would Oz split into the Wolf and his calm side? Or would it split the Werewolf between the two copies?

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                      • #12
                        The thing about The Replacement is that I kind of liked geekyXander. He's the funny insecure guy who endeared me to him. Suave Xander was also the impulsive vampire hating Xander who may be prone to hypocrasy (debateable).

                        Buffy would be kind of interesting. I agree with the helplessBuffy/First Slayer deal.

                        It's difficult for me to comment on the others because it's difficult to know what is one's strengths and weaknesses. I wouldn't want SuaveXander without ZeppoXander. Both have different equally valuable attributes.

                        Willow's intellect and strength in magic seem to come to mind along side her cutesiness and her insecurity. The dichotomy is almost seen in Dopplegangland. Say what you like about vampWillow but unlike the human Willow at the time, she was able to get what she wants and rarely let people push her around if ever.

                        I guess the stronger half of Andrew is more subtle and a work in progress. It would be the same Andrew who stood up to Angel I guess. Not very tough yet but...

                        I'm pretty sure Wes would be geekywatcher Wes, the same Wes who none of the other kids wanted to sit with at lunch but also the same Wes who let Knox and Gunn move in on Fred because he was too gutless! Then we'd have hyperuthless Wes. Kind of like a young tough Quinten Travers with two semi automatics.

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                        • #13
                          I don't think Anya could be split. She doesn't seem to have a subconscious side that doesn't show to other people. She lets out whatever she is feeling and she does what she wants. I guess if she was to be split, we would see a softer quieter unsure side of Anya...if that could even exist.

                          If Wesley was split we would have pocket protector Wesley and suave every woman wants to jump him Wesley. That is what essential makes up Wesley anyway. He is intelligent and slightly geeky, but he is also capable of being tough, violent and very sexy.

                          Andrew...I think Andrew would split into a straight guy and a gay guy. The gay guy would probably be the one you could stand to get along with. He would mostly likely dress nice, be funny and smart, and very confident. The straight part would be the one in the basement, not getting a date, polishing his Star Wars collection and surfing for porn on the internet.

                          I could think of more but my episode of House is done loading so I must go watch it. Maybe I'll write more later.

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                          • #14
                            Hmm... well let's think about this;

                            Buffy's half could split two ways; one way would be her former self; the shoe and fashion-obsessed quiet and slightly immature new girl from the first season. However, she could also split into her meaner, holier-than-thou Cordelia-esque valley girl type persona that we also kind of get to see a bit in Seasons 1 and 2.

                            Willow's half would much likely be more like her doppelganger self; she's already kind of delicate and possibly a little weak in certain areas, so I have no doubt her "tougher" side would surface; same with Tara. Although I agree with another poster; considering all the changes she's gone through, Willow's split would be a little more frightening than the others.

                            We all know how Xander splits, so I can't go into that - just going by order of Scoobies in my head

                            As much as I despise Dawn, (most of the time) part of me believes she would be almost like Buffy. From the way she fights and tends to do what's right even if it kills her (ex: staking her date in As You Were) I see that her responsible, less immature side would probably surface.

                            Even though I semi-agree, I'm going to also have to slightly disagree with another poster who said Anya couldn't really be split; I believe I found a way that she could. When all that Hell's Bells business was over, you could tell she now felt remorse when killing/granting those harmful wishes. In this case, I believe Anya's human self and her compassion for others (despite her tendency to say what's on her mind when it's on her mind) would easily split with her demon half.

                            Giles isn't as complex and I think he'd probably split into Ripper, or his teenage-y-type self in Band Candy.

                            Wesley would split into his former self in Season 3, as well would Gunn's adult self and his "gang" self.

                            Much like Willow and Tara, I think Fred's dominant, maybe even Illyria-esque side would split with her sweet, quiet persona.

                            We all know how Angel would probably split, so I won't go into that one either

                            I think all 3 of the trio would split into their more "normal" selves. When they weren't being dorks, they seemed to have a lot of great ideas and theories to how certain things worked.

                            Spike's side - also not complex - would either be William (more than likely) or possibly even his 1970s self. In my opinion, William would probably be more likely.

                            Cordelia's self would also split into her former Sunnydale/early Angel persona.

                            Harmony, surprisingly enough, is a little more complex than what one might think; I think her "smarter" side (if possible ) would surface rather easily. If you notice in the later seasons of Angel, she does seem a little less... Harmonyish, for lack of a better word.

                            Lorne's a toughy; if anything, he'd probably split into someone more like Landok. That's probably not completely accurate, but I really can't think of anything else for him.

                            Connor irritates me as much as Dawn, but I say he'd probably split much like Dawn would, with one exception of him possibly being evil. I'm not really sure why, but he just kind of gives off an evil-y vibe to me.

                            And last, but not least, Faith would split into her tough girl self, and her weaker, more naive self. I'm not quite stable with using the word naive, however in some episodes I've seen her, she can be a little Buffy season 1ish when it comes/came to certain things, especially with her playful nature.

                            WHOO! That was a heck of a lot to type, but I think I just about covered all of them.

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                            • #15
                              Anya, Anya, Anya!

                              I think she'd end up being kind of half "The Wish" Anyanka and half happy 5th season Anya. Though now that she's no longer a vengance demon she might have no Anyanka left. She could just be money loving, literal interpretion Anya/ Getting married tra la la, I'll be his Mrs. Ayna
                              Heres a thought, half of her could go all Aud. I don't know what the other half would be.

                              Andrew, Andrew, Andrew! (Also yay Andrew!)

                              I think he might be super nerdy I'm going to videotape everybody, "Vumpyr" Andrew and half doing the right thing Andrew (And possibly getting the most out of your new microwave) Or one side could be the sort of evil Andrew that we saw at the end of season 6.

                              Ok....wait....Adam. Excuse me I have to burst out laughing now.

                              He would most likley split into three parts. A human, a demon, and a robot...
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                              • #16
                                What most people seem to have missed is that in the episode, the rod split Xander into his stronger and weaker qualities, as it was supposed to with Buffy, people here seem to be dividing personalities in a very different way.

                                For example it wouldn't split Willow into a techie and a witch. It would divide her into a strong powerful Willow, who had no fear of her use of magic, who was ready to take command of a situation using whatever skills she needed (magic or tech) and a scared, paraylsed by what she could do if she messed up, shy, naive and child-like Willow.

                                But I do have to say it would be interesting to see Giles split. Would his ability to do whatever it takes for the sake of the greater good (a strong trait) overwhelm his moral sense? Thus making him a remorseless killer (when necessary)? Which would be the stronger?

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by dev View Post
                                  What most people seem to have missed is that in the episode, the rod split Xander into his stronger and weaker qualities, as it was supposed to with Buffy, people here seem to be dividing personalities in a very different way.

                                  For example it wouldn't split Willow into a techie and a witch. It would divide her into a strong powerful Willow, who had no fear of her use of magic, who was ready to take command of a situation using whatever skills she needed (magic or tech) and a scared, paraylsed by what she could do if she messed up, shy, naive and child-like Willow.

                                  But I do have to say it would be interesting to see Giles split. Would his ability to do whatever it takes for the sake of the greater good (a strong trait) overwhelm his moral sense? Thus making him a remorseless killer (when necessary)? Which would be the stronger?
                                  I actually questioned this earlier in the thread. I actually think both Xanders contain qualities that I find admirable (Look above to see what I've written).

                                  Riley addresses this when he talks about wanting both Buffys.

                                  The misconception is that one Xander is bad and one is good. Both have admirable qualities and weaknesses.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by kana View Post
                                    I actually questioned this earlier in the thread. I actually think both Xanders contain qualities that I find admirable (Look above to see what I've written).

                                    Riley addresses this when he talks about wanting both Buffys.

                                    The misconception is that one Xander is bad and one is good. Both have admirable qualities and weaknesses.
                                    I do apologise kana, I manage to miss your comments. I do however question what admirable qualities you saw in the weaker Xander?

                                    The guy was fairly hopeless, utterly paranoid and he was only just managed to remember to be concerned for his friends after a fashion, and I think even then it was only because of his selfish concern for what he would lose should the other Xander do anything to harm them.

                                    The man was a weasel.

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