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    Hi

    I thought I'd post this thread again as it was on Buffyworld Forums and got quite a lot of discussion going. Who do you believe had the most potential for a spin off? It could be in terms of financial value, rating success, story-wise or acting ability?

    Now the potential spin offs that had been talked about definitely seemed to be centred around Faith, Spike and Giles but most fans believe characters like Illyria could have pulled it off as well, if not alone then at least as a pair. So feel free to talk about characters which had never any real plans of a spin off from the Whedon as well!

    Personally I think in terms of ratings and money-making, Spike would have a successful spin-off given the size of his fanbase. Though I'm not sure how they'd do it without making it Angel #2 as their characters and stories in later seasons began to become very similar. I think accompanied with Faith they could make it even more interesting- but again there is an issue of the show and its theme. Faith's whole redemption arc is very similar to Angel's as well, so I'm not sure if it'd feel like the same stuff happening all over again.

    I personally don't feel Illyria could have a spin off on her own but could work if paired with someone like Spike and think a Giles spinoff would be fantastic!

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    It would have been awesome to have a series based on Faith.... Same with Angel, we would learn more about Faith's life in the past before she came to Sunnydale.

    Would show flashbacks of her rough past life in the rough neighborhood of Soutth Boston from being born to becoming a potential slayer, how she became a potential slayer...what her reactions were when she found out about being a slayer, her training and so on, her watcher, etc.

    Since she went to prison, it would be interesting to see some flashbacks on what she has been doing during her time in prison for 2 years and 6 months before Wes got her out to help stop Angelus.

    The main characters for this spin off would have been:

    Faith
    Willow (we gotta have our red wiccan)
    Xander
    Dawn
    Kennedy
    Giles

    ...anyone else?

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    • #3
      That would be very cool! I'd love to see Lost-styled flashbacks to Faith's time in prison, her relationship with her first watcher and her life in Boston. However, the only difference I'd make is only having one Btvs character on the show and introducing new characters instead. Given how wonderful it is to see Faith/Giles interacting thus far in season eight, I'd say he'd be perfect to make regular cameos in the series if not becoming a regular all together. Though I apart from him I think I would have liked to see Faith meet new people and form her own group seeing that she always felt detatched from Buffy and her people. Perhaps a new slayer? Perhaps a ex con she went to prison with with extroadinary abilities.. ok a little too Heroes but a boy could dream! or someone from her past in Boston?

      Though I'd love cameos from all the characters you mentioned.. especially our red headed wiccan
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      • #4
        I think the only commercially viable spinoffs would have been Faith or Willow.

        Spike's marketability is limited because they've already done a show centered around a vampire with a soul -- mere distinctions in personality really don't give the audience something new or the network something new to put a show around.

        Xander could have made for an interesting spinoff, but honestly, it's hard to put the character on TV without being around Buffy and Dawn.

        Giles is awesome, and "Ripper" will probably be awesome, but, honestly, he is a middle-aged character and that wouldn't really be a great formula for a lead on a UPN/WB/CW type series.

        Faith and Willow are both young and sexy characters, both have broad and distinctive fanbases, and both have the charisma to carry a story that isn't told from behind Buffy.

        Also, a good spinoff would have needed fewer established characters, not more.
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        • #5
          Considering the end of BtVS and Ats, for me, only Willow could have her spin-of, because she's the strongest, what's the point of following the adventures of Faith for example while there's a thousand other slayers. A Willow Spin-of would be a magical show, not about slayers and vampires anymore because, what's the point. We know that Willow is more powerful than a Slayer, so the big bads would have to be other witches. I imagine maybe a Tara brought back to life, but it kinda upset when characters are brought to life because they are good guys, but I guess Amy could be the season 1 big bad, Xander would be a nice prescence to the show, like Kennedy maybe and for the witches, probably english ones she met between season 6 and 7 and maybe the one she met during "The Killer In Me" considering the actress starred in the 4400 it would be a knwn face for the show. Personnal taste but I'll find a place for Andrew. The show could be called "Wicca" for example and I think the idea of a lesbian lead character could really be a change...
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          • #6
            Originally posted by vampmogs View Post
            Hi

            I thought I'd post this thread again as it was on Buffyworld Forums and got quite a lot of discussion going. Who do you believe had the most potential for a spin off? It could be in terms of financial value, rating success, story-wise or acting ability?
            Interesting question....I'll just answer about one of your options first - the Spike spinoff.

            Though I'm not sure how they'd do it without making it Angel #2 as their characters and stories in later seasons began to become very similar.
            I think you answer your own question....

            I personally don't feel Illyria could have a spin off on her own but could work if paired with someone like Spike
            A Spike/Illyria spinoff would be comercially viable, I reckon. You've got the hot woman in tight clothing, you've got the hot man in a leather jacket, and you've got the "hilarious" comedy dynamic of an otherworldly (well, pre-worldly) being learning from her more worldly buddy how to deal with life as they travel together on the road "doing more violence." Cos, it would have to be on the road, right? Motorbike, leathers, kind of like Preacher on two wheels. ONly they wouldn't be chasing God, they'd be looking for a place in this kerayzee world.

            Whether or not it could be any good would depend on who they got to write the thing, and whether it was anyone with a better sense of how to write Spike than some of the mooks who did Angel season 5. I think it might be quite annoying - I'm not a fan of Illyria, and her not understanding the human world schtick was never as funny or interesting as when Anya did it. But...if they played more on her Fred-quotient (as I think they were going to in season 6, right?), I think there's potential.

            Ok, I've phrased it all rather sarcastically. I do think there's potential for it to be good, and a success...though, thinking about it, it's a bit tricky vis a vis the backstory. But I think perhaps you could get viewers into it without understanding too much of that...see above re leather and motorcycles and violence....and it would then just reward viewers of Buffy and Angel with extra layers. IF it had layers, obv. Other than layers of leather.

            Ok, think I'm getting a bit obsessed with the leather now. Moving on.

            A Faith spinoff has potential to do very well. Ready-made fanbase, but doesn't require you know too much backstory...."Hot chick with superpowers, used to be evil, less so now" would just about do it. She could be paired with a new character, as I think Faith's enough of a draw on her own, though there are a few Sunnydale alums I'd like to see her with...let's say the premise is the obvious one of Faith-in-Cleveland, minding the hellmouth there. You could have her heading up a team of newbies. Perhaps Rona and a couple completely new girls. But then Kennedy, having broken up with Willow, gets stationed there. There could be some interesting scope for personality clash, but also a chance for Faith to become a mentor figure - or some mutual mentoring, as they'd both have different strengths - Faith, more experience, more self-knowledge...Kennedy, more education. There'd be an interesting class/culture clash thing going on too, with the boarding school brat and the girl who never finished high school. Rona could be the chippy/sarky one (she always had the best lines of the potentials imo, apart from that ding dong witch one....eg the black chick always gets it first). Cos, with Faith and Kennedy, you'd definitely need some funny. Actually, you could have Andrew in the mix. With him thinking he's their watcher, but really, Buffy just sent him there to keep him out of trouble...

            This is a totally random thought, but....Faith joins Riley's jungle-going commandos. One way of getting out of the whole "she's an ex-con" thing...she could get off the charges in exchange for working with the military. Faith in the jungle with lots of gadgets...I think that pitch has legs. I'm thinking Wonderwoman meets Captain America with a hint of Apocalypse Now. In a way I'd find that more interesting than a "faith on the road and on the run but doing her slayer duties on the way". I've seen rebel faith...it woudl be interesting to see her in another context. The idea of Faith in league with Uncle Sam has a certain quirky appeal.

            Ripper would be a great spinoff, but what I'd really want wouldn't be a post-Chosen RIpper....I'd want it to be set in the 70s, with a young actor. Cillian Murphy plz! Life on Mars meets Withnail and I with a hint of Hunter S Thompson (only set in London). Might not work commercially, since pepople would want to see ASH though. For a Ripper using him, it would be interesting to see the "behind the scenes" stuff of the new world order - see Giles doing the non-slayer stuff for the slayer army. Shady backroom deals, greasing palms, chanting the right chants, appeasing the right demons...with cameos from slayers here and there.


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            • #7
              ripper
              faith the vampire slayer

              those are the two that work, and actually still could work. even better, put them together.

              illyria, connor, gwen, dawn, etc... characters that we don't know enough about, haven't had enough done with and would make good characters to do completely new things with.

              problems with spike and connor, though... vincent kartheiser has moved on and kind of got unhappy with the fan-reaction and got tired of what he was being asked to do. probably wouldn't do it. james is 45 years old--he can't go on playing a 30-year-old-looking vampire for long (or anymore). granted, fans don't mind suspending belief and probably never would, but it is likely a concern of the actor.

              which leaves me with amy acker and michelle trachtenberg. amy would certainly do it. michelle might if it was promised to her that dawn would grow up and start acting michelle's level of maturity/age.
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              • #8
                Maybe Faith..I really adore Spike but I dont think itd be great to see him on his own way, the Faith Series would have been great I think, b/c when she comes to a place, she knows how to be the center Faith, slay!
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                • #9
                  Well I'd want a Faith spin off if I could pick. Then Ripper of course... and both together would be awesome. I so hope they want to pick up Ripper for a full on tv series after (if) the 90min special airs. Spike is another great option... but for some reason I like him better when he's in the shadows somewhat.
                  But basically I'd be stoked with any tv series Joss starts up again. I can't see it being cancelled at this point.. there's a lot of Buffy/Angel/Firefly fans in the wilderness.
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                  • #10
                    Spike spin-off would be popular, but I just think it wouldn't be good. They have done so much with his character, it would be rather hard to take him and do something new with out feeling like Angel's ripoff series.

                    I don't think any of the characters could really pull off a spin-off. I just don't think the characters could ancher a series like Buffy and Angel were able to. They wouldn't feel right and I think would be alot of repeat of what we've already got.

                    I could maybe see Faith doing well, but I just don't know unless she started to go bad, that it'd work. Willow I think could pull it off. Though I think may have turned into something a little to similar to Charmed.

                    I think movie spin-offs would be best for Buffy/Angel. Cause I just don't see any of the characters being able to make a great show. Luckly for Angel he had Cordelia (and later Wesley) so there was the season 1 charisma that worked, but I dunno if he could have done it just Angel. Or even with any other characters.

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                    • #11
                      There's something about Dawn that makes me think she could be a great story carryer... Now she's hopefully over the 'get out, get out!' stage- I would interested in what direction a storyline takes if we can discover about her key-ness...

                      I love the idea that Mabus had- Illyria respects Dawn since she's all old worldy.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Veverka View Post
                        There's something about Dawn that makes me think she could be a great story carryer... Now she's hopefully over the 'get out, get out!' stage- I would interested in what direction a storyline takes if we can discover about her key-ness...

                        I love the idea that Mabus had- Illyria respects Dawn since she's all old worldy.
                        I totally agree, Dawn has something about her...perhaps it's the simple fact that she's not been explored as much as the other characters. But in terms of her character and position in the Jossverse, she's interesting too. Perhaps it could be a little like a Bones thing...having her a bit older as kind of an academic demon specialist, called in by all sorts of people to deal with their demony problems? Perhaps with a few slayers in tow?


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                        • #13
                          if a new series happened, i think separating it by avoiding the mass slayers would be smart. in both btvs and ats, they started off not as these huge operations. they let the characters have sort of humble starts on the shows. which is why i think faith would be ideal. also, she always was a character who came in for an episode or arc every once in a while and then we didn't see her for a long time. spike has had his biggest and most important arcs well behind him.

                          angel's importance to faith (THE most important person in her story of redemption) lately has been not given the respect he should, and its a shame. if there was a faith spin-off, i wouldn't want it to be playing up to the btvs-only audience, but one who also respects her time on ats. in fact, i'd rather the show be closer to ats in style than to btvs. perhaps bringing over illyria or someone would make it less like a btvs-related-crossovers-only zone. this is one problem with her btvs comic arc--it is very clear that her ats storylines are completely being ignored in favor of her lesser relationships on btvs.

                          as for how to fit illyria in... i guess the fact that faith and illyria both tie in to wesley's story.
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                          • #14
                            Giles would be my choice

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                            • #15
                              I think Pandora's_Box hit the nail on the head for me... a spin-off with Willow, which focuses around the wiccan aspect of the occult rather than the demonic/vampirical.
                              Which is strange for me to say, seeing as i don't really like Willow as a character, heh.

                              I would like to see a Spike spin-off, but again it'd sort of be like reitterating the Angel storyline. Same goes with Faith and Buffy.
                              It's sort of a case of 'been there done that.'

                              However, i'm quite excited about "Ripper", and i can't wait to see what they come up with. And i'm glad the BBC are doing the producing, as it's true to the character. And apparently, in the film perspective, it's nicer to shoot in England because of the air's moisture content

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                              • #16
                                I agree Faith probably works the best. Plus there seems to be a lot of possibilities storyline wise for Faith. I remember hearing I believe either David Fury or Doug Petrie talk about how he would have loved to do a Faith show where she rides her motorcycle from town to town as a rogue demon hunter.

                                Also I think Spike would just be kinda limited storyline wise, without several other characters in the buffyverse in the show. Plus the whole daylight thing made Angel hard enough to shoot(atleast until the last season), I don't know if anyone wants to take on that challenge again.

                                I think a Faith show also would work because it would combine different elements of both the Buffy and Angel shows. In Faith, you have the sex appeal and feminine strength Buffy brought to the screen, along with the dark brooding antihero that Angel brings. I think it definately could have been an intriguing show, as long as they didn't feel the need to flood the cast with former Buffy and Angel cast members.

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                                • #17
                                  Am I the first to mention Oz? Really?!

                                  For all the reasons mentioned above I think the only way for a spin-off to work is make it linked to BTVS and AtS but thematically different i.e no high school and beyond is hell and no redemption storylines.

                                  So my vote goes with Oz. We know little enough about him to build a convincing backstory that doesn't have to interfere with canon on BTVS and AtS, and he had "issues" (the werewolf thing) to deal with to add some gravitas. Also he's a bass player in a band, so there's your coolness factor.

                                  I also agree that including Buffy or Angel alum is a not so great idea. It worked on Angel because both Wes and Cordy were more side characters and the show had only been running for a few years at that point. If you were going to include any I would suggest someone without too much known about them - Electro Gwen, Nina (werewolf thing too so dunno), or Andrew. Oh god, Oz and Andrew could really work they'd be such an "odd couple" - one really cool and hardly talking, the other very geeky and talking way too much!

                                  How about a children's version (like they've done over here with Doctor Who and The Sarah-Jane Chronicles) to carry on the mythology but to a completely different audience - fronted by Clem of course!
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                                  • #18
                                    How about a children's version (like they've done over here with Doctor Who and The Sarah-Jane Chronicles) to carry on the mythology but to a completely different audience - fronted by Clem of course!
                                    That idea is just so cute I could die, love it! Could be like tales of the vampires, only with Clem as the "host", telling stories about the adventures of junior scoobies...Uncle Clem's Treehouse of Horror


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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by Wolfie Gilmore View Post
                                      That idea is just so cute I could die, love it! Could be like tales of the vampires, only with Clem as the "host", telling stories about the adventures of junior scoobies...Uncle Clem's Treehouse of Horror
                                      Maybe they could have Lorne come in now and again to have a sing-a-long episode. Tell you what, you write it and I'll take all the glory - deal?
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                                      • #20
                                        Well there is sort of a fath spin-off well in book form! Go Ask Malice is an awesome book! and if you guys like faith you HAVE to read it!

                                        and i heard rumours that the BBC were gonna do a spin-off with giles about his past... i heard it a little while ago... and i thought that sounded cool and wasnt there sposed to be a buffy cartoon at one point, well at least according to wiki it was discussed

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