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    Now i have seen contradictory reports but will the new angel series be canonical. I know there is the other series set in ww1 and i wont accept that as canon but will aftermath be canon?

    Im confused.

    help!!!!!!!!!!!

  • #2
    Does it really matter one way or another. Why let whether it's canon or not get in the way of enjoying a good tale?

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    • #3
      i'm all for reading anything buffy, i will probably get it if its not canon, its juts th fact that i find canon extremley important and i believe that there should be a line, an official story in the buffyverse and what is considered apocryphal.

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      • #4
        I'm undecided if it's canon or not. Either way I'm sure I'll enjoy it and in my head I might just consider it canon until something "heavier" comes along to contradict it. It deals with the aftermath of "After the Fall" so it makes sense that it would be canon. But you never know.

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        • #5
          I think it was stated somewhere that it was canon? I agree it makes sense for it to be as it's a direct continuation of 'After the Fall' which is canon.

          I'm with others, what is canon and what's not is extremely important to me. I'm all for a good tale but I'm never going to be as invested in something if I know it really has no official effect on the characters and their existence. Anything else is just another fan fic for me, a good story but with no real lasting deep impression on me in terms of the characters and their journey.

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          • #6
            Anything else is just another fan fic for me, a good story but with no real lasting deep impression on me in terms of the characters and their journey.
            Funny thing is Season 8 is canon, and to me half the time it reads like some fans fanfic, so for me at least it's about the tale, and whether it feels emotionally true to the characters and whetehr it's a rollicking good story that counts, rather then whether it's going to be sanctioned by Whedon, as weird as that may seem.

            Oh well. "Horses for course as they say".

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            • #7
              Originally posted by -beardo- View Post
              Now i have seen contradictory reports but will the new angel series be canonical. help!!!!!!!!!!!
              Beardo, do you mean After The Fall, the comic book series? If so then:

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel:_After_the_Fall

              This gives you the history of the comic book series, which I personally consider canon.

              Joss's own comments on After The Fall:

              "Season six-that is, the storyline we were planning to pursue-made much more epic and fleshed out quite a bit. We're looking at it as a 12-issue miniseries, to keep it tight and intense. Brian and I have been exchanging juicy ideas. And some that are more bran-y. For health."
              A Bear! You made a Bear! Undo IT!!!

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              • #8
                in joss' own words, "season 6", while originally only going to be a 12-issue series with 1 title, has expanded into 4 different canon titles and 27 projected issues thus far.

                first night - 3 issues
                spike: after the fall - 4 issues
                angel: after the fall - 14 issues
                aftermath - 6 issues
                = 27 issues

                what was once expected to be a movie-length maxiseries has expanded into a much larger "season" (or the comic equivalent) that is almost 3/4 the length of season 8 now. remember that season 8 was once only supposed to be about 20 issues and is now 40. both were greatly lengthened.

                we also know that brian lynch said that aftermath is going to continue the after the fall/first night numbering, if i recall.

                so we have both joss and the aftermath author saying it is season 6. case closed.
                Last edited by NileQT87; 02-09-08, 10:42 AM.

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                • #9
                  no i meant will aftermath be canon i know after the fall is. well if it continues with the same numbering then it pretty much must be canon, but i heard lynch was writing another series that follows on from after the fall, and it is contradictory to aftermath.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by -beardo- View Post
                    no i meant will aftermath be canon i know after the fall is. well if it continues with the same numbering then it pretty much must be canon, but i heard lynch was writing another series that follows on from after the fall, and it is contradictory to aftermath.
                    Nope, he is writing another series but it doesn't follow 'Aftermath.' I believe it's set in WWII?

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                    • #11
                      WWI, which is even cooler. Aftermath is inherently canon, being a direct continuation of After the Fall. Blood and Trenches ( i believe it's called) is trickier, but since it's written by Lynch I don't have a problem considering it canon.

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                      • #12
                        john byrne is the author and artist of blood and trenches.

                        if it fits snugly within the continuity, i have no problem canonizing it.

                        similarly, i'd LOVE a lot of the great year 1 comics to be canonized. some of that stuff is as good as what is in the show.

                        somebody really needs to rewrite the origin, however... it's a zillion times worse than the movie! YIKES. i'd rather have vampires with pointed ears who who fall over dead than idiotic green vampires with red eyes. i'd rather reimagine the movie with a few MINOR canon alterations. at least it had characterization and heart--things completely missing from that god awful comic. the comic is much campier than the movie was, imo. and joss does have problems with the comic, despite them fixing a few show events and merrick's suicide (the show changed things that were in the original script other than that ONE story element that made joss mad).

                        that comic makes the btvs unaired pilot look like cinematic gold (even with the alternate willow). it's BAD.

                        and kudos to the rest of the year 1 comics choosing to use luke perry's pike instead of the gray-haired weirdo.
                        Last edited by NileQT87; 01-09-08, 11:36 AM.

                        "If there is no great glorious end to all this, if nothing we do matters, then all that matters is what we do."
                        "Nothing in the world is the way it ought to be. It's harsh and cruel. But that's why there's us. Champions."

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                        • #13
                          To the best of my knowledge Brain isn't writing that one. John Byrne will in fact be handling both the art and the story for this series.

                          *ETA* I see you got there before me. I'll also add that he's very well known/respected in comic circles.
                          Last edited by sueworld; 01-09-08, 12:29 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Hmmm, alright. Either way, I have no problem accepting it as canon. Partially because the whole canon issue never seemed like a big deal to me and partially because any Angel background information is always a treat.

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                            • #15
                              I agree with you sueworld. Season 8 feels like fanfic a lot of the time. This Angel series is far better quality. So when it comes to canon, so long as they don't contradict each other, I'm going to say that ATF and anything that comes after will be canon. If Season 8 blatantly does something to contradict, in my mind, this IDW series will still be the canon and Season 8 will lose that.
                              "A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." - Winston Churchill

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                              • #16
                                What makes it feel like fanfic?

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