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An interesting article on the "storytelling engine" of AtS, and how it sets up "After the Fall". Thought you guys might like to read. Whaddya think?
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Interesting read but I can't say I agree with a lot of it. I think it was a little overly harsh on some points in the series, and I'm not sure how accurate either (Didn't Charisma officially deny that she chose to leave the show?).
I agree with a lot of the points it made early on. I know Joss' says it was his intention to kill Doyle off to fool the audience and make them realise that nobody is safe, but ultimately it kinda felt sloppy and I think it should have been important that the first season is all about establishing a solid base and premise before we begin killing off important characters. The introduction of Wes (who I love) felt like a substitute, and anyone who doesn't read interviews would have been probably left with the big feeling that something went wrong in production and they've had to replace a problem actor this early on into a series.
And I agree with Kate just fading away but I actually liked her more against Angel than I did when she was being played as a possible love interest.
The other stuff I thought was a tad unfair, although I didn't like Connor I don't think his inclusion ruined the series or was a shark jumping moment because they brought in a kid, I think they handled the child aspects well. And I didn't get the impression throughout season 5 that it was obvious this show wasn't going to last another year, it felt quite strong to me. Now a show like 'The OC' well that was fairly obvious, but I never got such impressions from Ats season 5 at all.
And I adore season 8 but I found the comments odd that 'Not Fade Away' was geared more as a "finale finale" then 'Chosen.' I'd say it was the opposite, one ended on a cliff-hanger, the other didn't. If anything I'd say 'Chosen' was more of a "finale, finale."
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I think what he meant about the finality was that AtS doesn't set up a new status quo, while Buffy does....like, season 7 ends with a premise, while AtS ends with a great big mess (from the character's point of view). So, the premise for After the Fall is created IN after the Fall - we don't see them going to hell at the end of the series. But I don't really think that's a problem for the comics. I'm enjoying the Angel comics a lot. I don't think they're really mindblowing or anything, but then, I've never been as into Angel anyway, so it's more "just entertainment" than the Buffy ones for me. Though some very fun entertainment. With dragons. Gotta love a good dragon.Originally posted by vampmogs View Post
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I thought the writer summed it all up very well! He even agrees with me about Season 4 - blech!
However, I disagree with his attitude towards After the Fall. It took courage to agree to "pick up the pieces" after the Not Fade Away episode. And so far I've been fairly satisfied with the story.
Absolutely!!With dragons. Gotta love a good dragon.
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Yes, and from what I did read in her interviews, she was fired and in a very bad way. I believe that she had to read it somewhere. And her return in You're Welcome was not fair to her either. She didn't want to come back to give ME a chance to kill of Cordelia because she loves Cordy too much. And ME promised her that Cordy wouldn't die and she came back for one episode to find out that Cordelia would die. Bad ME!Originally posted by vampmogs View Post
I don't really agree with the article because it has some points ... it was also missing the point especially about the last seasons.
I think that the writer is too negative about Connor. I know that bringing the baby into the show is an old trick. But where other characters can have childeren and (probably) have a family ... Angel didn't. Connor brought us some great storylines and it developed Angel in a way that no other character could do. It also brought Angel closer to the humans ...
Besides Connor was much more than the annoying teenager on the show. I was no fan of season 4 Connor, but the character had a good storyline and a great place in the show.
Season 4 had also much more then Cordy/Connor. It had a great storyline for Wesley, Angel;s feelings/psyche in episodes like Awakening or Home, Jasmine, Faith, Lilah ... the storytelling was amazing, season 4 had probably the most amazing episodes of all the seasons in the 'verse. To ignore all those points and fixate on the negative sides of Connor is a bit easy.
Also I'm not sure if the writer 'got' the series;
He took over W&H because he was blackmailed, it was the only chance to save his son. I don't think that Angel had the illusion that he could make W&H a good place. Maybe less bad ... the whole first part of season 5 is about Angel dealing with the fact that he is stuck in a big evil lawfirm ...Angel takes over Wolfram and Hart, trying to redeem it from within.
If you see it as Angel trying to redeem W&H, I can see why season 5 was a mess and no succes at all for the writer. Because in that case, it doesn't make sense.
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