I Will Remember You

[basakbangel]

Hello

I figured this before.. I wanted to know what do you think about it. I will remember you is a very dramatic, romantic and paining episode. I cry everytime I wacth but this is not the point of course

What I want to say is; what if the episode hadn't finnished with everybody forgeting except Angel and with Angel human?

I think It'd probably be the end of the Angel Series and that's why they didn't make it like that. Because there would be no reason Angel to stay in LA. And everything would be changed, maybe Buffy'd never date Riley because Angel was going to be her lover. Whoa!

Maybe the whole story would change... just to think, yes!

I know you'll think that I'm going too further, you'll think I'm exaggerating. But If IWRY, had finnished without Buffy forgetting and with Angel human, she'd have been able to date with Angel. And also Angel.

I know some of you think that "no nothing woulb be changed, because nothing changed after The Prom". But this is different the reason they couldn't make it right after The Prom was because of Joyce. And Angel listened Joyce because he loved Buffy. Remember Buffy never knew the Joyce's talk. After that talk there was an empitness and they were desperate.
Things were different in IWRY, they knew that they couldn't have a relationship like they wanted but they accpeted risking everything then finally because Angel was human they thought now they'd be happy.. So things would be very much changed. And maybe there wouldn't be Spuffy.

[Jenni Lou]

Perhaps.

But I think the reason why it doesn't end that way is because it couldn't. Angel made his choice. The mission is what matters; that's really the whole point of the series. The characters continually sacrifice their own desires and selves for the sake of the world. Had Angel chosen to remain human...that would have gone against the very core of his character, imo.

And yeah, it would also end the show.

[vampmogs]

Perhaps.

But I think the reason why it doesn't end that way is because it couldn't. Angel made his choice. The mission is what matters; that's really the whole point of the series. The characters continually sacrifice their own desires and selves for the sake of the world. Had Angel chosen to remain human...that would have gone against the very core of his character, imo.

And yeah, it would also end the show.

I agree. Buffy and Angel have constantly given up or lost chances of being happy for the greater good, it seems to be a very strong theme throughout the course of both shows. The verse is a cruel place and Buffy and Angel, amongst other characters for sure, have experienced that completely. I think it would have been selfish of Angel to remain human, to abandon his cause with Doyle and Cordy and move back to Sunnydale to start a relationship with Buffy, after learning about the increasing darkness the Oracles spoke of.

Suppose it did happen though, well yeah I don't think Buffy would have ever dated Riley. It was rather interesting they were setting that ship up over on Btvs but suddenly she comes over to LA admits she wants to be with Angel is completely head over heels with him, then sleeps with him. Almost as if the writers completely ignored the whole Ruffy ship, and no wonder Riley has insecurities! But yeah I don't believe Ruffy would have ever happened if Angel had moved back to Sunnydale as a human, I don't believe Spuffy would have ever happened either. Then again, without Angel in LA the world would have ended anyway.. or at least stopped when that guy's time machine went all wonky so it is all kind of a moot point anyway.

[The_Narrator]

I think Angel wouldn't be very well suited to human existence either. He had so many issues, but at least fighting evil was one way to try and atone, and feel like he was making a difference. Would Angel have been able to handle being another Xander? Yes, he has experience, and could probably learn (Relearn? No, adapt is probably best) to become a decent fighter with his human body, but he would still be weaker than he was.

And as stated above, it would have gone against his core character, that he was willing to sacrifice everything to fight evil.

[NileQT87]

angel as a human would have been closer to being like wesley or giles than xander or riley. he wouldn't be humorous or light because he's human. he'd probably be still somewhat morally ambiguous, doing a lot of thinking and planning, etc... he might cut back on the physical fighting and direct his energies towards the mental. buffy, on the other hand, might be bothered more by her loss of powers, even though she's good at thinking on her feet; but she's not much of a planner, whereas that was always one of angel's strengths; he had a lot of patience for it.

however, yes. ats would be over if he had stayed human. also, being human wasn't what angel wanted. he wanted forgiveness for his past crimes. the turning point wasn't not being able to protect buffy/other people, but the fact that the ptbs had not forgiven him. he hadn't redeemed himself. he hadn't gone very far on his journey towards atonement. one of the questions he asked the oracles was if he was released from his duty, which he wasn't; it was just something the demon did to him. what this showed was that it wasn't about the reward of becoming human; it was being forgiven for his past sins.

again, i bring up angel's obsession with not wanting to go to hell (again), the catholic angle with god and religion, etc... i wonder if what he suffered in hell was so horrible (combined with angelus' reigns of terror, especially over those whom he loved) that it really got him to focus on his search for redemption to escape that ending. because he wasn't forgiven when he became human, it's likely that the sins still stand and he'd still be on a mortal path to hell, no matter if he spent the rest of his life relatively happy with buffy, feeling real love, had children, walked in the sunlight, still helped with the good fight, etc... the thing he wants most is "forgiveness" before he'd ever let himself consider the other things he would like; noticeably things he never had previously gotten to live when he had been human. buffy was, in fact, the person he had ever loved or was able to love; and that was after 270 years of existence (human and vampire).

that "forgiveness" part is why i think angel really turned back the day.

it was why he left buffy in the first place. the mayor's speech hit on it exactly: being with buffy (and putting her and many other people at risk) wasn't what the powers wanted him for. with her, he was helping her and taking a risk with her, but he was just in a standstill with his own destiny. in iwry, he still hadn't earned that redemption or done what he had been called to do.

[Jenni Lou]

Suppose it did happen though, well yeah I don't think Buffy would have ever dated Riley. It was rather interesting they were setting that ship up over on Btvs but suddenly she comes over to LA admits she wants to be with Angel is completely head over heels with him, then sleeps with him. Almost as if the writers completely ignored the whole Ruffy ship, and no wonder Riley has insecurities! But yeah I don't believe Ruffy would have ever happened if Angel had moved back to Sunnydale as a human, I don't believe Spuffy would have ever happened either. Then again, without Angel in LA the world would have ended anyway.. or at least stopped when that guy's time machine went all wonky so it is all kind of a moot point anyway.

Well, to be fair, that realtionship hadn't really been much of anything at that point. Although of course I do agree that the ship wouldn't have happened if Angel had remained human.

in iwry, he still hadn't earned that redemption or done what he had been called to do.

Wonderfully stated. I couldn't agree more.