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**Jenni Lou** · 09-05-08, 07:47 PM

Yeah, SJ, I like the category 3 idea. Dividing it into genres will get more entries than doing it by shows alone. Great thinking!

**Risa** · 09-05-08, 08:06 PM

I only have one suggestion that this moment. I think Best Comedy/Drama Series should be separated. It should be best comedy series wallpaper and a different one for best drama series wallpaper. Just a thought.

**BlasterBoy** · 09-05-08, 09:45 PM

I agree with Risa. Drama and comedy are such polar opposites, so I think it would be strange to have them only in one section.

About Twilight and Moonlight...I believe Moonlight has less pieces than Twilight, and Twilight has so much more. Even though a lot of artists don't art Twilight, I still think it should get a section.

**Zugma** · 12-05-08, 10:31 AM

I like the category 3 idea, too

However, I'm not sure about the idea to give "best depiction of death" a separate category - it seems to me that it would kind of dublicate the Drama and Tearjerker categories... No?
Just a thought

**slaycandy** · 12-05-08, 06:02 PM

Originally posted by Risa View Post

I only have one suggestion that this moment. I think Best Comedy/Drama Series should be separated. It should be best comedy series wallpaper and a different one for best drama series wallpaper. Just a thought.

There are fewer pieces art-ed for comedy series in general. I know Jenni-Lou arts How I Met Your Mother, but in general there aren't a lot of comedy shows out there that get art-ed frequently. Besides, there are some shows that are on the cusp of comedy and drama that it would be difficult to determine where they lie. I know that a lot of people art things like Gilmore Girls, or One Tree Hill - that have a lot of comedy aspects to them as well as drama, even Greys Anatomy and Private Practice have that same borderline comedy/drama theme.

I just wasn't sure a separate comedy category would gain a lot of entries. I can think of 3 artists and 2 shows off the top of my head that would draw in entries for those categories: Jenni-Lou (HIMYM), then JJ & Joe (Office).

The things I tend to see getting art-ed a lot more frequently are Sci-fi series, and Supernatural/Fantasy series.

Maybe that's just me. But I just felt like comedy wouldn't be able to hold a category all on its own. We have a category for Best Comedic Piece so if you have more than one piece, then it can still fall under that category instead. Last year the Best Comedic Piece got 17 entries, 7 were BtVS, 6 were Supernatural, and then 1 greys, 1 office, 1 sex and the city and 1 VM. There was an opportunity there for people to enter pieces from loads of comedy series, and we saw the same old series appearing instead.

Besides, I don't want to be adding in too many categories, there are a lot as it stands, and another category just to allow one or two artists another entry doesn't seem worth it to me.

Hope that makes sense,
SJ
xox

**slaycandy** · 12-05-08, 06:03 PM

Originally posted by Zugma View Post

I like the category 3 idea, too

However, I'm not sure about the idea to give "best depiction of death" a separate category - it seems to me that it would kind of dublicate the Drama and Tearjerker categories... No?
Just a thought

Good point,

I was looking at the entries last year and there were a lot of Death Scenes done, so I was thinking of giving it a separate category to allow for some other 'dramatic' scenes to be art-ed instead of the same-old death scenes. But at the end of the day, it is an unneccessary extra then it can easily be dropped, as we do have a fair few categories to choose from as it stands!

SJ
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**slaycandy** · 12-05-08, 06:16 PM

Originally posted by BlasterBoy View Post

I agree with Risa. Drama and comedy are such polar opposites, so I think it would be strange to have them only in one section.

About Twilight and Moonlight...I believe Moonlight has less pieces than Twilight, and Twilight has so much more. Even though a lot of artists don't art Twilight, I still think it should get a section.

Again, it is really difficult to tell at this early stage, I keep seeing more and more artists arting Moonlight, but to me it feels like the same artists arting Twilight all the time. If Moonlight isn't picked up (which we'll know very soon) then it's fair to say that it probably won't attract more artists to start arting for this series. But on the other hand, if it is picked up it could become very popular. I know Bre has only just caught up and already arted a hell of a lot of pieces for the series.

They are both quite popular for the moment, but it's trying to decide whether or not they will still be as popular by the end of the year and if they can hold a category of their own. Heroes did poorly last year with only 11 entries, and I would rather keep everything grouped together than creating new categories for the sake of it. As much as I would love to.

However, if there is a huge demand for Twilight, and I see more people arting it, I'll add in a separate Twilight category. But would need to look and see and what we could get rid of - as we do have a lot of categories on the list already.

Perhaps the Crime/Detective category could go? Swapped for a separate Vampire Series category? Moonlight, Twilight, Blood Ties, umm... I'm sure there's more.

It's just something worth thinking about.
SJ
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**Pandora's_Box** · 13-05-08, 08:27 AM

I agree aboyt the three categories (drama, tearjerker and depiction of death) beng too much, but I suggest we keep drama and depiction of death, cause i still think the line between drama and tearjerker is thin. Plus it would make more sense to have comedy/drama and love/death. What do you think?

**Jenni Lou** · 13-05-08, 07:41 PM

Comedy/drama does make sense to me, for the reasons SJ layed out earlier. There isn't a lot of comedy arted and a lot of shows walk a fine line between the two genres. SO I am good with that. I art some comedy but I don't see a lot of others posting it. SO a combined category seems appropriate to me.

**slaycandy** · 13-05-08, 08:41 PM

Originally posted by Pandora's_Box View Post

I agree aboyt the three categories (drama, tearjerker and depiction of death) beng too much, but I suggest we keep drama and depiction of death, cause i still think the line between drama and tearjerker is thin. Plus it would make more sense to have comedy/drama and love/death. What do you think?

The idea behind the Dramatic and Tearjerker categories, were not that those were what the scenes were, but what the wallpapers were.

I wanted to see a very dramatic wallpaper, with the drama element really amplified in the piece, something that really gave you the sense of drama behind the scene.

Whereas Tearjerker wallpapers, I wanted to see pieces that moved me to tears, and for the colours and tones to really push me to that edge.

I find that wallpapers like those are very different. I would classify my Fresh Blood wallpaper as a dramatic one, with the harsh red tones, and anger in the eyes, something really making the wallpaper itself dramatic... but my Dark Angel Hello/Goodbye piece as more of a tearjerker one from the soft colouring, composition as Joshua fades into the background, and the lyrics used.

So I have to disagree that there is a fine line between Drama and Tearjerker. To me, those categories were for Dramatic Wallpapers, Comedic Wallpapers, Tearjerking Wallpapers... not dramatic scenes, or tearjerker scenes which can be confused at times.

That was why I called the love one, depiction of a love scene, to differentiate it.

And I added in the depiction of a death scene, as it could be a dramatic death, a tearful death, a heroic death, there are many ways to depict it, and I thought it may have been nice to see that variety. But I do feel that the death scene pieces can fall under either drama or tearjerker categories. So it may be an idea to remove that one. Just to lower the number of categories slightly.

And now that Moonlight has been cancelled *is totally gutted* I am guessing that a category to itself is pretty pointless. But the Vampire Series category could still be an option to amalgamate the Twilight, and Moonlight art into one category.

SJ
xox

**little albatross** · 13-05-08, 08:46 PM

Erm, would I sound incredibly stupid to say that there being a "death scene" category at all kind of creeps me out? That's not to say I dislike any pieces having to do with death, but...in my head, I'd lump it with tearjerker or drama.

RE: Twilight/Moonlight...With everything Twilight coming out this year, I'd think it has a GREAT chance of picking up even more momentum. And with Moonlight apparently being cancelled, and as I don't watch it myself, I can't speak for that show. (On the bright side, if there are enough artists, there are enough artists right?!

)

Right now, both threads have the same amount of posters. I don't really follow Moonlight, so I'm not sure how much more Moonlight art there is outside of its own thread. But outside of the ten who have posted pieces in the Twilight thread, Joe, Katie (of midnight tears), Matilda, Marilyne and Stephanie have all made (awesome) Twilight pieces this year.

Also, question! With the current categories, where would a show such as Smallville go? Just wondering...

**~M@rie~** · 13-05-08, 09:10 PM

It doesn't matter to me what the categories will be. I'll deal with it the way it's done.

About the Twilight/Moonlight categories, I don't watch Moonlight (yet), so I can't speak for that show. As for Twilight, I would love for it to have a category of its own because it has become such a phenomenon (but Moonlight too), but with Moonlight being cancelled, I would understand if you merged the two of them in the same category.

**slaycandy** · 13-05-08, 09:44 PM

Originally posted by little albatross View Post

Erm, would I sound incredibly stupid to say that there being a "death scene" category at all kind of creeps me out? That's not to say I dislike any pieces having to do with death, but...in my head, I'd lump it with tearjerker or drama.

RE: Twilight/Moonlight...With everything Twilight coming out this year, I'd think it has a GREAT chance of picking up even more momentum. And with Moonlight apparently being cancelled, and as I don't watch it myself, I can't speak for that show. (On the bright side, if there are enough artists, there are enough artists right?!

)

Right now, both threads have the same amount of posters. I don't really follow Moonlight, so I'm not sure how much more Moonlight art there is outside of its own thread. But outside of the ten who have posted pieces in the Twilight thread, Joe, Katie (of midnight tears), Matilda, Marilyne and Stephanie have all made (awesome) Twilight pieces this year.

Also, question! With the current categories, where would a show such as Smallville go? Just wondering...

As mentioned above the cancellation of Moonlight has kind of put a damper on giving it it's own section, but the merging may work. As mentioned I may trade out the Crime/Detective category for a Vampire series one - the Twilight series, Moonlight, Blood Ties... and any others...Forever Knight? I have no idea, but I know there are other vampire-y type shows, any new ones coming out in the pilot season? I realise that Twilight is going to be a film series, but I think the merging may work.

As to Smallville, I am not sure where to put it. Sci-Fi I tend to link to outer space, aliens etc... and well... Clark is kind of from out there, so it could go under that category. However, at the same time, it could be more of a 'fantasy' thing, since it has the whole superhero thing. I'm not 100% on that one. So probably just wherever you feel it fits more appropriately. Sorry I couldn't be more help,

And also, the idea of giving the Death Scene a category of its own was because of the number of entries last year focussing on a death scene, I thought perhaps giving it a separate category would give more diversity in the pieces entered for Drama and Tearjerker, rather than just getting death scenes arted again.

But when it comes down to the cut, it's most likely the one to go.

SJ
xox

***Ehlwyen*** · 13-05-08, 11:48 PM

Originally posted by slaycandy View Post

The idea behind the Dramatic and Tearjerker categories, were not that those were what the scenes were, but what the wallpapers were.

I wanted to see a very dramatic wallpaper, with the drama element really amplified in the piece, something that really gave you the sense of drama behind the scene.

Whereas Tearjerker wallpapers, I wanted to see pieces that moved me to tears, and for the colours and tones to really push me to that edge.

I find that wallpapers like those are very different. I would classify my Fresh Blood wallpaper as a dramatic one, with the harsh red tones, and anger in the eyes, something really making the wallpaper itself dramatic... but my Dark Angel Hello/Goodbye piece as more of a tearjerker one from the soft colouring, composition as Joshua fades into the background, and the lyrics used.

So I have to disagree that there is a fine line between Drama and Tearjerker. To me, those categories were for Dramatic Wallpapers, Comedic Wallpapers, Tearjerking Wallpapers... not dramatic scenes, or tearjerker scenes which can be confused at times.

That was why I called the love one, depiction of a love scene, to differentiate it.

And I added in the depiction of a death scene, as it could be a dramatic death, a tearful death, a heroic death, there are many ways to depict it, and I thought it may have been nice to see that variety. But I do feel that the death scene pieces can fall under either drama or tearjerker categories. So it may be an idea to remove that one. Just to lower the number of categories slightly.

And now that Moonlight has been cancelled *is totally gutted* I am guessing that a category to itself is pretty pointless. But the Vampire Series category could still be an option to amalgamate the Twilight, and Moonlight art into one category.

SJ
xox

Perhaps we just see how much Moonlight art is done, before completely canning its category. It would be a nice tribute to it if it had still enough art for a category. *gets on knees and begs* (I can't stop the cancellation of the show, but maybe I save the category! Don't slam the second door on me in as many days, I can't handle it!)

Anyway, I know that I'm nowhere near done doing Moonlight art or hopefully inspiring new people to try the show out.

Without a question, I think Twilight needs its own Category (maybe even subsectioned). Off the top of my head, me, you, jj, line, joe, marie, wendy, beth, aldieb, signe are completely suckered into the Twilight art. Bre and Amber have bought the book, so soon teh_Dana will fall! Please forgive me those of you I forgot to mention.

I agree that dramatic and tear jerker are two different things. I don't know about the depiction of death category though, I would think that that would fall into either dramatic or tear jerker.

**slaycandy** · 14-05-08, 12:18 PM

Alright there has been a slight editting. Check out the categories above to see what has gone and what has been added.

Feedback on new list is welcomed!

SJ
xox

**Bre** · 14-05-08, 06:02 PM

I agree about Moonlight definitely keeping its own category, at least as a tribute as Lyn said. Come on! I'm with her, I seriously can't take the cancellation and the disappearance of its category! *begs* *pleads* I am in no way done arting this show, trust me with this. I'll art every freaking second if we don't at least get that damn 13-ep pick up...

I agree with the rest of the categories, as far as I'm concerned. I like that the Crime/Detective was let go because I don't feel like a lot of those shows are really being art-ed at this time, and plus a lot of them can easily fit into the comedy/drama category. And on that note, liking the combination because there really aren't a lot of comedy pieces done, it's all about the DRAMA man, so I agree with that as well.

As far as Twilight, definitely going to be checking it out, I'm a slow poke and in the middle of another book, so once that's done, the obsession will set in, I've been promised, so I can't wait to art that, so loving that it gets its own category. Definitely need to keep Moonlight and Twilight separate, because even if the show does disappear for good, there is still the art that we had earlier this year. *again, begs*

Also, agree with Supernatural. Despite the Writer's Strike, there are still excellent episodes coming out, and I'm sure the fourth season will rawk my socks off.

Enough randomness! But one last note: Moonlight must keep its category, even if I have to glue people's eyelids to their foreheads and make them watch the episodes. I'm obsessed, what can I say? (I am sooo not the only one, lol).

**LRae12** · 14-05-08, 06:14 PM

The one distinction I'd like to see made is that there be a separation between use of color and use of lighting. I know in judging, that was so hard to distinguish, because they are two completely different apects to the art IMO. Personally, I'd love to see two separate categories for those.

***Ehlwyen*** · 14-05-08, 06:28 PM

Oh I definitely want to second LRae! Heehee, I was actually coming in here to post that suggestion. Thanks for having already brought it up!

Coloring and lighting are such different things and sometimes the focus of one diminishes the use of the other. Judging was so difficult because I would give points on a piece towards fantastic coloring but then be disappointed in its lighting compared to another entry and then be back to square one on deciding placement. Not to mention the trouble deciding my own entries.

**Leloo** · 22-05-08, 01:21 AM

I have to agree with LRae and Lyn about the coloring/lighting. I also found it difficult to judge last time, and it was also difficult to submit to this category...

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