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    What if Angel hadn’t gone to Los Angeles, but somewhere else entirely - maybe not even in the United States? If you had been the show runner and were told to locate it somewhere different, where would that be? And how would it change the show?

    After reading OffYourBird 's wonderful fan fiction The Darkling, I'm in a New York state of mind right now. So I'd love to have seen what would happen if Angel had moved to the Big Apple. Cordelia could have been auditioning for Broadway plays/musicals, Gunn could be chasing vampires in the Lower East Side and Wolfram & Hart could be in Rockefeller Center or on Wall Street - perhaps where Goldman Sachs is located!

    Of course, Angel would lose it's LA Noir feel, but it would gain a kind of Gotham/Metropolis vibe if you know what I mean. It'd be fun to watch him walk by the Daily News Building near Grand Central Station - which is a kind of stand-in for the Daily Planet.

    I'd hope, of course, that Angel's mysterious Hotel would turn into some abandoned dive in Hell's Kitchen, my natural stomping grounds.
    Last edited by American Aurora; 03-06-21, 06:04 AM.

  • #2
    Originally posted by American Aurora View Post
    What if Angel hadn’t gone to Los Angeles, but somewhere else entirely - maybe not even in the United States? If you had been the show runner and were told to locate it somewhere different, where would that be? And how would it change the show?

    After reading OffYourBird's wonderful fan fiction The Darkling, I'm in a New York state of mind right now. So I'd love to have seen what would happen if Angel had moved to the Big Apple. Cordelia could have been auditioning for Broadway plays/musicals, Gunn could be chasing vampires in the Lower East Side and Wolfram & Hart could be in Rockefeller Center or on Wall Street - perhaps where Goldman Sachs is located!

    Of course, Angel would lose it's LA Noir feel, but it would gain a kind of Gotham/Metropolis vibe if you know what I mean. It'd be fun to watch him walk by the Daily News Building near Grand Central Station - which is a kind of stand-in for the Daily Planet.

    I'd hope, of course, that Angel's mysterious Hotel would turn into some abandoned dive in Hell's Kitchen, my natural stomping grounds.
    Prague would be an interesting one with its gothic look and feel.

    Another would be Chester UK with its Ancient Roman Walls and its buildings some of which go that far back

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    • #3
      I would have loved to see Angel in Ireland, maybe Dublin, but travelling around the country investigating his roots. There's a hell of a lot of Irish history to get involved in and who knows, he might meet a distant cousin or two. He could pop over the the UK now and again too.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Priceless View Post
        I would have loved to see Angel in Ireland, maybe Dublin, but travelling around the country investigating his roots. There's a hell of a lot of Irish history to get involved in and who knows, he might meet a distant cousin or two. He could pop over the the UK now and again too.

        Yes, I think I would like this as well.


        It would change the show, but it would be super interesting for the character Angel to see him back in Ireland. And the myths and legends of Ireland could be the inspiration for new demons. And most characters could easily end up in Ireland.

        Doyle is Irish. Wes probably went back to the UK after Grad Day, so he would be in Europe already. Nothing holds Cordy back from moving to Europe either since she cut nearly all ties with her old life. Fred wasn't tied to LA after Pylea and Connor could be born anywhere. Gunn and Lorne are the only ones who might not fit in. There could be a Gunn-like character though, but Irish instead of American. Lorne is possibly the only one who really needs a bigger city (unless Dublin has a gigantic demon population like Sunnydale has).


        And I like the idea of them going to the UK as well, seeing different settings from time to time.


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        • #5
          I visited Chester many, many years ago. I remember the Roman walls.

          The Irish setting holds a lot of potential. One can imagine that the after-effects of Angel's reign of terror still might be felt hundreds of years later. Alternatively, you could do the sitcom version where he hooks up with his last remaining human relatives to help keep the family business afloat.

          There's always Toronto. I could imagine a crossover between Angel, Nick Knight of the Forever Knight TV series and Henry Fitzroy of Tanya Huff's novels. (Two guilt-ridden vampires on a quest for redemption and one illegitimate son of a king who now makes his living writing romance novels under a female pen name.) Vicky Nelson (the cop-turned-PI from Tanya Huff's novels) could probably teach Angel how to be a really good private detective.

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          • #6
            I cannot see Angel returning to
            Ireland—

            Cannot for precisely the reasons
            Priceless lists, reasons I. too,
            find, on one level, compelling:

            Wounds still far too raw, the
            uncertainty over who—what—he
            was, his destiny too, too clouded...

            And Angel, too, given the sliver of time,
            from his perspective, that had passed
            since S2 and the eruptions of Amends:

            To be on his home soil, his Father's soil,
            a soil so saturated. as were the urban
            facades, with history, with the blood
            spilt by England's first experiment in
            colonization*—

            With, too, the taste of the blood Angelus
            had shed, a shedding that Angel's so
            recent return had and looming threat
            had left him so tormented, so convinced
            of his eventual submission to that
            he verged on suicide, would
            have, had Buffy, had her love not—

            That he would risk Ireland—or any place
            on Europe—immediately the wake of
            his tearing himself away from the grounding
            Buffy's love provided...


            My first thought:

            New Orleans—

            Think all the haunts born of centuries of
            Spanish & French colonization, followed
            by American Slavery and the state terrorism
            of Jim Crow; mix in the Haitian Voodoo, the
            vast mix of races and histories of passing, the
            lesser—but still significant—discrimination
            faced by the Cajun population...

            Think the levees breaking...**


            And Cordy, Gunn, and Wes at Mardi Gras:

            Better than Muppets—!***


            *With apologies to my British comrades here...
            I hold nothing against... But my father—whose
            father, having stolen some money and lied about
            his age, fled Gallaway at 15, never made the
            slightest attempt, after, to touch his family—fed
            me with certain truths about the world, insisted I
            recite them as if they were my Catechism...

            And while I have shed those aspects of his
            teachings, a spasm does, randomly run through—

            **With Spike Lee documenting.... That would be
            a most strange hoot—

            •••And much as I love Toronto—my ex- and I spent
            much time there during the long snowiness that
            was Buffalo—but, well, it is just, well, too nice...



            Last edited by StateOfSiege97; 06-06-21, 02:44 PM.

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            • #7
              I can't really see Angel taking place outside of the US mostly because it is a US tv-series. I can't actually think of any famous US tv-series that has been taking place outside the US (or in fictional settings like Westeros and Essos). Even Outlander moved over to America after the first season.

              And I think that's not even surprising. German tv series are usually set in Germany (if not in fictional settings). It makes sense because everyone who is involved in the show has a certain cultural knowledge of the setting that would lack if a German tv producer suddenly wants to depict the everyday life of a vampire who lives in L.A..

              If we are talking about an alternative location for Angel in the US of course New York comes to mind first. It is probably the city most people outside the US would come up with if asked to name a US city.

              I can't really see Angel in New Orleans. It's simply a city I don't associate with brooding

              But in the end, I actually think L.A. was a good choice.

              flow



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              • DeepBlueJoy
                DeepBlueJoy commented
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                I dont know. It is full of dives and intrigue and old evil. He could do his creature of the night tging and no one would notice.

            • #8
              I vote for vegas - or some small western town where he has to figure clever ways to buy blood without people talking. No he would have to move on, maybe like that guy from Kung fu who went from town to town rescuing people. Kung fu meets Supernatural?

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              • #9
                Originally posted by flow View Post
                I can't really see Angel taking place outside of the US mostly because it is a US tv-series.
                I can't really see Angel in New Orleans. It's simply a city I don't associate with brooding

                But in the end, I actually think L.A. was a good choice
                I do agree that no country but the
                US would have made sense, although
                not quite for the same reasons—

                And that LA, infused with noirishness by
                countless brilliant movies, made it the
                best setting, a place that best reflected
                Angel's spirit, the contours of his
                mission...

                NYC strikes me as too easy a choice...

                Strikes me, too, as a place too complex,
                too multifarious in its cinematic affect,
                its historicity, to offer a compelling background:
                TV-wise, it has been reduced to the
                place of police procedurals, untinged
                by LA's noir; beyond TV, filmically, its
                aura so shifts, shows itself a creation
                of innumerable differancing forces...

                Besides, I cannot see Angel returning to
                the scene of his pathetic Rat Phase, to
                the alleys he so readily, so desperately
                fled—

                Also—

                Those unfamiliar with its history associate
                New Orleans with but Mardi Gras, perhaps...

                But the mad indulgence, the submission to
                all ones impulses bespeak a desire to flee—
                for some few days each each, rhythmically,
                its history as a scene for the unrestrained
                expression of far darker forces:

                As the one major American city besides DC—

                Whose status as the capital forced it
                to partition and muffle its death-born
                genesis (all those impressive monuments,
                in their white purity, bear witness to the
                slaves—those Constitutionally, as but
                3/5ths of a person excluded from the
                freedom, the personhood, the human
                status these structures were designed
                to embody—forced to their making)—

                Located in what was at once a slave
                state yet not properly at one with the
                South, one whose its non-slave residents
                had more complicated, less completely
                "White" bloodlines than those in other
                slave-holding states: Spanish, French,
                African, African American all coming
                together to create its Creole identity;
                its culture mixing all the cruelest institutions
                of a Slave State and its descendents,
                such as Slave Markets and lynching,
                to those—Placage, the Quadroon
                Ballrooms—that the more
                straight-laced (but no less given to
                the sexual exploitation of Black
                women, enslaved or free), more
                Protestant South would have never
                imagined....

                Mix that in with its legendary government
                corruption, its Hurricanes, its mysterious
                swamps....


                It is far from "simply a city"—


                Anne Rice and the creator of the True Blood
                serious set them in New Orleans not by
                accident: its ethos calls to vampires—

                It is a city of death, of haunts....

                Angel, however would have done something
                very different from either series, a compelling,
                complex something I would have loved to watch—






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