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    Quote Originally Posted by GoSpuffy View Post
    We need a new poll that allows us to choose S12 in it's entirety as "Worst Trash" ever.
    Good idea. As requested!
    You keep waiting for the dust to settle and then you realize it; the dust is your life going on. If happy comes along - that weird unbearable delight that's actual happy - I think you have to grab it while you can. You take what you can get, 'cause it's here, and then...gone.

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    S12 makes anything else look good. People might not like elements of other storylines but S12 has no redeeming qualities to it at all. I still wake up thinking a police officer? She's joined the patriarchy? Noooo!!!!

    Thanks for creating the poll.


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    Season 12 is terrible, awful, poorly written and quite upsetting . . . but Buffy and Angel having spacesex will always be worse. They were f***ing a world into existence. Their orgasm bought forth a new reality. I hated it then and I hate it now. I can live with Season 12 because I don't believe it.

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    I hated the space sex mostly because it was stupid. I hated that Angel was twighlight more. I could have accepted Angelus as the big bad, but Angel? That's character assassination at its worst.

    S12 was the big finale. The thing we're all supposed to remember and the franchise conclusion. Just the the memory of it makes me throw up a little.


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    All caught up.

    All said regarding writers, producers, actors, directors, viewers, readers, etc. are what I remember, my opinions, etc.




    * I'm not sure how Season 12 is somehow worse than Season 10 and especially Season 11. Buffy and Spike broke up? We STILL don't know what from IDW is canon. Spike is possibly alive in the time of flying cars. It's possible Spike has Spider and Co. back. Buffy can still be with Spike in Heaven. She can have children and such before then. And Spike still has: Drusille Keeble, Harmony Kendall, Beck (if canon), Maria Harley aka Spider (if canon), and Morgan. And Beck's the only one of those who is possibly not an unaging immortal.

    Buffy was a diner waitress in a poor part of Los Angeles.

    Buffy was a fast food worker.

    Buffy was a coffee waitress.

    I'm not sure how being a police officer in a specialized unit in a very nice part of California is somehow worse.

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    Buffy being a police officer was a long running joke, like a world without shrimp.

    Andrew, ANDREW!, has a better career now than Buffy at the watchers council.

    Buffy is handing out speeding tickets and filling out reports and paying her dues until she earns placement within the supernatural division. Are you effing kidding me?

    Anything would have been better. She could have been a highly paid and respected consultant to the police force, better yet she could be running the watchers council with Andrew and Giles reporting to her.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GoSpuffy View Post
    Buffy being a police officer was a long running joke, like a world without shrimp.

    Andrew, ANDREW!, has a better career now than Buffy at the watchers council.

    Buffy is handing out speeding tickets and filling out reports and paying her dues until she earns placement within the supernatural division. Are you effing kidding me?

    Anything would have been better. She could have been a highly paid and respected consultant to the police force, better yet she could be running the watchers council with Andrew and Giles reporting to her.
    Putting it like that GoSpuffy you've made me think how realistic and feminist it is. A mediocre man gets a better job than the superior woman

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    They were f***ing a world into existence. Their orgasm bought forth a new reality.
    Hmmm...the Big Bang? Though I'm not sure the actual singularity that brought the real universe into existence involved actual curled toes - I still shudder at that.

    It's S12 for me. For all the reasons GoSpuffy lists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TriBel View Post
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    Hmmm...the Big Bang? Though I'm not sure the actual singularity that brought the real universe into existence involved actual curled toes - I still shudder at that.

    It's S12 for me. For all the reasons GoSpuffy lists.
    Season 12, although horrible, is not worse than curled-toed-literal-big-bang

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    Big Bang was excruciatingly bad...but funny. Did you know they were doing the reverse cow girl - according to this: https://whatculture.com/comics/10-le...-scenes?page=5

    Confirmed by this at 4.53 (you're welcome ) also 8.26. You can thank me for watching it later.



    S12 was excruciatingly bad but NOT funny. I rest my case.
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    I'm not sure I want to watch that video

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoSpuffy View Post
    I hated the space sex mostly because it was stupid. I hated that Angel was twighlight more. I could have accepted Angelus as the big bad, but Angel? That's character assassination at its worst.
    What gets me is how their's no build up to Angel being Twilight.

    Read "Angel After the Fall" then read "Buffy Season 8". It's like night and day in terms of characterization.

    "Buffy Season 12" really doesn't bother me cause I stopped caring after the one-two punch of "Angel & Faith Season 10", and "Angel Season 11" which pointlessly resurrected Fred/destroyed Illyria's character development.

    Voted space sex again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lostsoul666 View Post
    What gets me is how their's no build up to Angel being Twilight.

    Read "Angel After the Fall" then read "Buffy Season 8". It's like night and day in terms of characterization.

    "Buffy Season 12" really doesn't bother me cause I stopped caring after the one-two punch of "Angel & Faith Season 10", and "Angel Season 11" which pointlessly resurrected Fred/destroyed Illyria's character development.

    Voted space sex again.
    So much agreed. I never managed to care as much about the DH comics as the IDW ones, and Twilight is not "my" Angel. I hate what DH did to both Angel and Illyria!

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    Season 12 is far from perfect - it's messy, it's derivative and the fact that Buffy ends up being a cop is completely insulting, it's, like, opposite to what the franchise stands for ideologically, philosophically and whatnot and-

    BUFFY SHOULD'VE BEEN A FIREFIGHTER!!!

    However, space sex is still the worst. Space sex will always be the worst. It's like this fewer dream of coked-out 50-something turbo-nerd, like, a porn parody except an actual porn parody would never pull off something this garbage. I mean, I've read some demented, bottom of the barrel, obviously-mentally-ill-author-using-google-translate pwp trash and space sex is still worse. It shouldn't exist! It should not exist, seriously! And it doesn't even make sense, lore-wise, continuity and whatnot but most importantly, it doesn't make sense psychologically. Humans don't act like that Joss, what is wrong with you?

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    The space sex is easily worse. Season 12 has issues and it would have been so sweet if Buffy had been a firefighter, they clearly were trying to keep everyone happy, but there is scope there to picture whatever you want following and the overall message about being able to carve the future is a positive one that is in keeping with the show for me. I prefer to think their lives are ongoing rather than to have seen them end, so I can work with it.

    I have to say it's been a lot of years since I read AtF and S8 but I don't think it is totally out of left field for Angel to be pulled into believing he has a greater destiny and to make decisions for the greater good regardless of others. The hubris that was needed for agreeing to Twilight isn't new characterisation. But I can't remember exactly what I felt about his blinkered behaviour once the plan started and the idea of victimising Buffy didn't create enough of a blaring warning foghorn for him that this wasn't turning out to be the sort of plan the good guys have. Probably to do with the vague 'sometimes' possession, I don't remember. Anyway, S12 has issues but a great deal of those I can label as it not being what I would have liked to see so I tell myself to work with what we got because it is what it is. The imagery of the space sex is something I didn't have to be subjected to at all.

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    Both were equally bad.

    But I choose space sex.
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    I could accept fire fighter over police officer, however there are still numerous other problems with S12 including but not limited to:
    Xander's regression to high school mentality
    Fred/Illyria sharing a body and both dating Angel
    Fred being stuck in a hell dimension inside Illyria
    Dawn having a baby before graduating
    Calling the baby Joyce panders to every baby fic ever written
    Buffy and Spikes off screen break up
    The seemingly necessary need to have Buffy single in order to be strong and successful
    The wimpy sellout story telling that was more focused on pleasing fans than on moving the story forward to a logical conclusion.

    And re aging Giles with no details? Ugh
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    I've no problem with saying I have personal issues with S12 and Giles re-aging, the break up off screen (that they instantly undermine with Buffy realising it wasn't them but her to start the process of ensuring Spuffy has an equal potential too by the end) and the very outdated idea that being single is best to be strong and independent, are definitely the main ones. But I don't have any problem with Xander and Dawn. Dawn having a baby before graduating is just something that some people choose/experience and Xander struggling with the start of his family and with what is expected of him when he has had such ropey examples of positive male role models is not much of a shock to me. The issue with Fred I can see has a positive aspect too. Firstly it isn't something that is done to her but that she agrees to from what I remember. Also, although the idea of a shared body when Illyria/Angel are having a relationship seems awkward and strange to me, I accept that I don't have experience and scope in all areas of life. Fifty years ago the idea of two men or two women marrying and declaring themselves a couple openly was not hear of, heck it was a crime. Not even that long ago in fact and in some countries it still is the case I believe. So, whilst the idea of the relationship that Illyria and Angel have where Illyria is offering to share Angel with Buffy and Fred is a part of it all in the background too seems unmanageable to me, I know there are many points of view in this world. These overall uncertainties work well I think with the notion of forming the future by our own choices and actions. S12 wasn't anywhere near the strongest and certainly was greatly affected by wanting to leave potential/scope to all fans at the end, but it comes with a very in keeping overall message and I understand their wish to not isolate any fan/shipper group from the finale when everyone still listening/reading has shown interest and commitment to the verse.

    The monkey space frak feet though, there's no reason/excuse for that.

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    I don't follow the comics and haven't read S12, but I can't believe the grand end to her character arc was becoming a cop.

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    BUFFY SHOULD'VE BEEN A FIREFIGHTER!!!
    I mean, Buffy literally said she was going to be the fireman when the floods roll back. What a wasted opportunity to pay homage to one of her best moments in the series.

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    Angel = Twilight - I get. Illyria/Fred/Angel makes perfect sense to me. But Buffy = Police - I don't.

    Police = The Law and because we live in a patriarchal society the concept of "The Law" is always coded as male. S12 makes this quite clear with Xander's reference to Charlie's Angels. Buffy (and Faith) are, ostensibly, the law but Charlie and Bosley (read Giles and Andrew) are the ones in freakin' charge.

    What a wasted opportunity to pay homage to one of her best moments in the series.
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    "I'm gonna be a fireman when the floods roll back.
    There's trees in the desert since you moved out.
    And I don't sleep on a bed of bones.
    Now give me back my friends.

    No friends! Just the kill.
    We are alone! That's it.
    I'm waking up.
    It's over.
    We don't do this any more."


    It's a "dream" ending...for the f****** men! It's a dream for Andrew, Giles and Xander...for the women it's a freakin' nightmare...they're all trapped (like Fred/Illyria)! They haven't "woke up". Patriarchy is not "over" and the intimation is it will carry on perpetuating itself.

    FFS! I don't even like Buffy that much but I could cry for her. S12's an abomination. I think it IS paying homage to Restless (the reason Spuffy broke up was because she was "restless") but not in a good way.


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