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    This issue is really good. Yes, there's a new artist and his work is obviously not as astonishing as Dan Mora's but the writing is just as strong as it was in the first arc.

    The story takes place just hours after the movie night from the previous issue. It's early morning and Buffy has another nightmare. Willow wakes her up. There's been an emergency and they need to head to Giles. On the way to his home the girls have a rather adorable conversation about the date. In Buffy's case it was a moderate failure - sweaty palms, hand pulling, no kissage. I think that Buffy's shyness is very interesting, it contrasts nicely with her heroism and slayer-y boldness. Anyway, as they're drinking tea at watcher's kitchen Giles tries to prepare Buffy and Willow for the bad news. He asks them to be strong but also assures that what has happened can be reversed. Finally he takes them to his bedroom where they find Xander surrounded by a protective barrier cast by Jenny Calendar. Xander's dead! Xander's a vampire! Boom! But what exactly happened? Dru drained Xander but it was Spike that fed him his blood. Since the siring wasn't properly conducted Xander is stuck between, as Giles puts it, death and demon. Because of that, the watcher explains, Xander can be saved with an artifact that will tether his soul to a physical stone. I wonder, what does Giles mean by saved? Will Xander become another vampire with a soul or is it just about saving the soul before dusting the body so poor Xander can rest in peace? In any case, Giles sends Buffy to Anya's store where the gizmo can be obtained. Buffy needs someone to escort her so first she pays some vampires a visit and convinces one of them to take her shopping. Violently. I love that entire sequence, Buffy's incredibly desperate and furious! She tears a vampire's arm off Ichi-style! It's so awesome!

    Buffy's actual meeting with Anya is not depicted in this issue, but in Frenemies free comic book. Buffy quickly dusts the vampire that brought her to the store and asks Anya for anima colligationem (literally soul tie). Anya explains that the item is very powerful, expensive and also hidden within the Hellmouth itself. After Buffy introduces herself as the slayer Anya hands her the map that will lead to the artifact. When Buffy inquires about payment Anya just says that she will collect her debt later. That's rather ominous, no? Some time later Anya's old friend Angel walks into the store, looking for the same item. Does Angel need the stone for Xander or for himself? More importantly, why didn't he try to stop Drusilla and Spike? What, he just stood there uselessly, watching Xander get killed?! Vimpire, much?

    Buffy returns to Giles with the map but the text still needs to be translated. Giles suggests that Buffy and Willow meet him after school but the girls decide to stay by Xander's side. Willow is crestfallen. I love her lines here, I think that they reflect on the childlike side of Willow's personality very well. As Buffy tries to comfort Willow, Xander suddenly regains consciousness. The scoobies manage to talk to him for a little while (excellent, wholesome banter!) before the demon takes over. What follows is rather standard demon-y fest of threats and gloating - sex, fire, crucifixion, slaves - that sort of thing. Meanwhile, Drusilla figures out the key to her plans - a dagger that has just arrived for an exhibition at Joyce's gallery.

    They actually killed Xander! I cannot believe it!

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    As expected, the new art can't hold a candle (not even a floating candle, ha!) to Mora's, but I didn't dislike it as much as I had expected. True, the googly eyes are terrible and make the characters look manic in a lot of the panels, but apart from that I didn't find it too bad.

    I'm still entertained by the story and interested where it goes next. I like the idea of Spike siring Xander because he recognized himself in him. I don't need Xander to get a soul, but I *am* hoping he won't become an Angelus super-evil type of vampire, and that an interesting relationship between him and Spike (and Drusilla) will develop.

    The "unfinished siring" business is a bit confusing. I'd call it a joint siring (with Drusilla and Spike as joint sires) but not an unfinished one. Like Stoney said, it would have been nice to get some more information on how siring works in these comics, but maybe it will become clearer later.

    It was good to see Jenny!

    I also got Angel #0 and I'm really curious why he didn't save Xander. I haven't got Angel #1 yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flow View Post
    At least it leaves a lot to speculate. Wh didn’t Angel step in to save Xander? Why did Spike turn him although Dru decided not to? What are Buffy and Willow going to do now, to get Xander back?

    Have any of those questions been answered yet?

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    Dunno. Dunno. Get a soul tie - which is probably like a tomato tie but for souls.

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    The "unfinished siring" business is a bit confusing. I'd call it a joint siring (with Drusilla and Spike as joint sires) but not an unfinished one. Like Stoney said, it would have been nice to get some more information on how siring works in these comics, but maybe it will become clearer later.
    A joint siring - one male, one female - with a gestation period? Hmm...sounds familiar. Do I have to wait 9 months for the next issue (or any issue)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TriBel View Post
    A joint siring - one male, one female - with a gestation period? Hmm...sounds familiar. Do I have to wait 9 months for the next issue (or any issue)?
    Yes, I was thinking along those lines too (well, not the 9 months ). I do find the idea of a vampire having not one but two sires quite interesting. But I guess that it's really only the vampire who supplies his/her blood who counts as sire. At least, I think that's how it's usually done in fanfic. In the original Buffyverse, did we ever see a vampire sire someone who had been killed by another vampire?

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    This reminds me of a fanfic story, by Sigyn I think (Darkest Dawn??) where Spike finds Dawn mortally wounded after a vampire attack and he sires her. But I can't remember anything similar happening on the show.

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    What about Lawson? He was mortally wounded and Angel sired him. But I think he was shot not drained and I don't remember if Angel took his blood before feeding him his own.

    Did Spike take any of Xander's blood? If not, is that the reason why the siring process wasn't complete?

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    Basically, Drusilla drained Xander but decided he's not good enough or whatever and wanted to just leave him there to die. Spike thought otherwise and fed him his blood. It's actually kinda clever and this particular edge case was never featured in the classic continuity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a thing of evil View Post
    Basically, Drusilla drained Xander but decided he's not good enough or whatever and wanted to just leave him there to die. Spike thought otherwise and fed him his blood. It's actually kinda clever and this particular edge case was never featured in the classic continuity.
    It occurred to me at the time that Spike's texts could be read as homoerotic. D'you think Sosa Lola's dreams are going to come true? Traditionally, male vampires sire females and vice versa precisely to avoid this.

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    I don't know - it might just be empathy.

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    As Spike is soulless, I prefer to think of it as self identification rather than empathy. Spike saved Xander, because he felt a strong kinship to him, and so he did what he could not do for himself when he was William.

    P.S. I forget that in this story Spike still mostly goes by William

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    Quote Originally Posted by TriBel View Post
    It occurred to me at the time that Spike's texts could be read as homoerotic. D'you think Sosa Lola's dreams are going to come true? Traditionally, male vampires sire females and vice versa precisely to avoid this.
    I don't think it will happen, but I would be on board for it if it did.

    Where do you get this 'tradition' from? I can't recall hearing or seeing anything on the show that would suggest this. Actually, it's my impression that the majority of vampires we see on the show are male, so male vampires must sire males quite often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Dutchess View Post
    I don't think it will happen, but I would be on board for it if it did.

    Where do you get this 'tradition' from? I can't recall hearing or seeing anything on the show that would suggest this. Actually, it's my impression that the majority of vampires we see on the show are male, so male vampires must sire males quite often.
    Traditionally in the sense of vampire literature - it probably starts with Dracula. The Whirlwind are hetero-sirings.
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    Ah OK. I thought you were referring specifically to the show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TriBel View Post
    It occurred to me at the time that Spike's texts could be read as homoerotic. D'you think Sosa Lola's dreams are going to come true? Traditionally, male vampires sire females and vice versa precisely to avoid this.
    The whole storyline reeks of Spander goodness.
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    I got my copy of Buffy # 5 over the weekend.Keep this brief.

    The art was not as good but I can get by weaker art.I overall liked the issue.

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    think the art is really great. Mora was a little boring. His style is sorta neat and sterile. The new art is more organic. Lopez is great at conveying mood. The characters are very expressive. The frame where Buffy pulls up her jacket could have hung next to a Roy Lichenstein in Tate Modern. The exterior scenes are gorgeous. The world feels a bit more alive. There is much variation in the composition of each frame.

    Comparatively: In the first preview of Mora's art, Xander did not move his arms or change his expression for like five frames or something in suspended shock at seeing Buffy slay a vampire (Edit: I went back and counted. It is seven panels spread across 3 pages. 7 panels and 3 pages of suspended animation).

    P.S. Mora really went all out on the free comic book issue, though, and I do like him a lot, too.

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    I half like the art in this issue. The background looks kinda kool, but the people look horrible. Not sure what the heck is up with this sorta siring thing?

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    Yep, people look horrible. And very strange. Just look at Willow's face in the picture above. Her eyes. The tiny size of its irides. It's physically impossible to have such looks. Even if you use your fingers for pulling eyelids of your eyes you wouldn't see so much white around iris. That's anime level of creepiness here.

    As for it being more dynamic... Yep, a little, but it's all through very standard set of poses. Like that panel with Xander yelling at Willow and she's covering her cheeks with hands. I had serious deja vu looking at it. I've seen both of their poses dozens and dozens times. And it's not the only example. Dru in one of panels looks like Harleen Quinzel with that smile over her face.

    All in all it's huge downgrade. Comic had lost one of it's strongest selling points whith switching artists.

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    All in all it's huge downgrade. Comic had lost one of it's strongest selling points with switching artists.
    Exactly.

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    A week after everyone else and I finally get my copy. Loved the opening, the way it goes straight into the story really works and distracted me a little from the art. Buffy reminded me very much of early seasons slayer, the sort who'd put a cross in a vamps mouth to torture her.

    Still enjoying Cordy's introductions. She's outside the group, yet still known to us, especially to the fans of the show. It's a way to keep her relevant without actually having her in the comic. But still don't like the change from 'she' to 'they', and I still haven't seen a reason Bellaire has made the change.

    The dialogue is still iffy . . . 'wish I were AWOL . . . sounds pretty' is a definite attempt at the classic Buffy humour, but doesn't really work. I did love the note pinned to Xander's shirt 'Tasteless', I thought that was perfectly evil and funny. Bellaire uses 'babe' twice, I don't know if there is meaning in that - maybe Xander is just echoing Jenny because he heard her say it and it's stuck in his head. He's a monster using a word others have used in a pure and loving way, he's using it in a malignant way to cause pain?

    I didn't enjoy the Buffy Willow chat about Robin. Buffy's nervousness about boys and their opinion of her just seems off to me. We did get a little of that very early in the show (Owen?), but here it seems too much. Willow was always very pro-Buffy's-Boyfriends, but here she seems really pushy, and then really mean 'we're not twelve Buffy! . . . ' Willow's the one pushing Buffy onto Robin and then turns on Buffy when she asks for help. At least Buffy calls her on it.
    Then Willow goes on to be really mean about Xander, who's meant to be her best friend. This Willow lacks a certain empathy and I'm glad to see she feels suitably guilty when she learns of Xander's fate.

    Great seeing Jenny Calendar working alongside Giles and bringing the magic. Giles in his slippers is so cute. Joyce at work is good and something I wished we'd seen on the show.

    Not sure about this new siring lore so Xander is between 'death and demon', he could be 'devoured by his demon or become it', 'we'll save Xander's soul and you'll be dust like all the rest'. There's always been a souled vampire in the show, so that's not new, I'm just waiting to see how this plays out. They save the soul and dust the body? So where does the soul go? What's the point of saving the soul if it can't be given back to Xander?

    I really enjoyed this issue. Willow in particular has been savaged by the art, which isn't to my tastes, but isn't terrible either. The story was fast paced, covered a lot of emotional stuff. Liked the Dru/Spike scene, gave insights into both characters. The opening was good, and helped make Buffy a bit less bland than she has been. Great to see Jenny doing her magic and Joyce at work. Loved evil Xander, he's still the best character in the boomverse, they've just added more layers to him and I wish they could do that with Buffy.

    Not totally sold on the lore, not sure where it's going, and hoping they don't waste siring Xander by somehow returning his soul and making him human again. Excited to see the next issue.

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