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    Default Strip Snap by Lilachigh starting 24th of May 2019

    The next story to be read and discussed is going to be Strip Snap by Lilachigh and we will start Friday fortnight.

    The story is set in season 6 and it`s word count is 70k. You can find it here:

    https://dark-solace.org/elysian/view...t=ok&warning=5

    and here:

    https://archiveofourown.org/works/82...apters/1558238

    and also on TBSV, ff.net and TSR.

    Summary: Buffy's 21st birthday party - she and Spike are sitting behind the sofa on the floor, playing cards. An innocent enough game, but the consequences are going to change them both for ever, when they are faced with making decisions that involve friends, enemies and the people they love the most.

    You are welcome to post your thoughts while you are reading it and before the discussion officially starts but please use Spoiler brackets in that case and remove them on Friday 24th.

    Have fun!

    Dear Lilachigh, if you have found your way to this thread, please be so kind as to read this:

    http://www.buffyforums.net/forums/sh...re-you-proceed!

    before you proceed. Thank you for your consideration. Please feel welcome to join in the discussion. We would be delighted and honored.


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    The discussion is supposed to start today. Unfortunately I have been ill for the past week and I have not been able to finish the story.

    Has anyone else read it?

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    Nope. I still haven't finished Hunger and I've also still got a sick child at home. 2019 is riddled in illness.

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    I haven't even started it! As usual I shall read and post as I go along, if that's ok.

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    I'm fine and no-one in my family is ill (they wouldn't tell me if they were because they know in advance I don't care ) I'm just following the usual pattern of being crap at everything and thinking about stuff (Lucifer) rather than doing stuff.
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    I'm on part 95 of the barbverse. I've read strip snap before but will finish up barbverse and then re-read and then comment.


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    Oh yeah...I restarted the Barbverse as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TriBel View Post
    Oh yeah...I restarted the Barbverse as well.
    There's a thread for that!


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    I've just started Strip Snap and am enjoying it. There's a strange jump early on, where Buffy and Spike are playing snap and having an interesting conversation, then suddenly it jumps to 'Two weeks later . . . '. It's an odd jump, but the story is fast paced, so that's a good thing.

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    I noticed that too. It was a wonderful scene at the beginning that called back to Older And Far Away but it didn`t really have anything to do with the rest of the story. I's not that this scene is misplaced in any way. It isn't. It's just that it could also have been a one shot and the story could have started two weeks later.

    I really like the gentlemanly, chamapagne-bringing, boat-rowing Spike. I am such a fan of this gentle side of Spike. It does seem funny though, that he brings just a few bottles of beer and an additional guest to the party itself and then suddenly he is all "Oh, a girl must have champagne for her 21st birthday..."

    I am a huge William fan, therefore the first half of the story is very much to my liking, although I found it hard to believe that William of all people would instantly turn into a sex-god. But it gets really interestingly, when suddenly Spike pops up as well and we have William and Spike in one and the same story at the same time and they are both vampires. That's a unique plot twist and I don't remember having seen or read it before.


    Unfortunately that was the point where I had to stop reading. I am trying to get back into the story as soon as possible.

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    I like the story, with William appearing in place of Spike, I think that's a nice twist. This William seems a little bit dense though. In some ways he reminds me of Anya, there's an 'oddness' about him that's a bit different than being just a man out of time. The story so far is quite slight and just seems to be cover for Spike/Buffy/William to have lots of sex . . . not that there is anything wrong with that

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    Am I on my own in not liking William in any manifestation? I feel like such a bad person. I think it's my class sensibilities. Perhaps people will sympathize with my plight if I claim childhood trauma as a result of being forced to watch The Forsyte Saga. I can't bear to be in the same room as Downton Abbey.

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    I quite liked Downton Abbey . . . I find there are two settings for William in fanfic. One is in 19th century London, a poet, living with his poor widowed mother. I mostly don't mind him. The second is a man out of time, somehow magicked into Buffy's time. I much prefer William in his own time. When he's in the modern world, I just end up missing Spike

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    I've never watched Downton Abbey but I should confess I own FS on DVD (both the '67 and the '02 version). I don't like William on the show...he's too hysterical for me. I've had a quick look at it and I'll give it a miss. I don't think my ears can attune themselves to 19th century patterns of speech - seriously. It's no reflection on the author - I have the same problem with George Eliot!

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    I've finished reading strip snap and I agree it often seems written primarily for buffy to hook up with a variety of versions of Spike, not that there's anything wrong with that. It is more than porn with plot and the story is quite well thought out and has nice pacing and characterization throughout. It does have one of my least favorite tropes in it, Willow and/or Xander acting as the bad guy keeping Spike and Buffy apart. I think I've read this too many times and I just prefer when the bad guy isn't a scooby. I absolutely loved Dawn rushing in as the hero, I thought that was Really well done. All in all a light hearted romp that doesn't take itself too seriously.


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    Strip Snap was like at least 3 different stories in one. As others have remarked, the first chapter was totally disjointed from the rest. Then we got the part that was more like a PWP aimed at having Buffy get it on with William as soon and often as possible. Then we had the part where suddenly the Master came into play, and the whole thing with splitting Spike and getting him back together again. All in all it was not a very coherent reading experience. I guess it's because of the story writing process; clearly NOT all plotted out in advance. Not that the story wasn't enjoyable for the most part, but it wasn't the best of the lilachigh's fics I've read. (I really love her Agnes Pringle stories.) In particular the ending had a bit too many body switches for my taste, a claim (yuk!!) and indeed, I was "not pleased by Willow and Xander's treatment in this story" -- quoting from the author's note here. I loved Dawn in the story, but not how dismissive Buffy was of her most of the time before the end. So, mixed feelings about this one.

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    I'm struggling with this story. I'm only five chapters in and it is just making me cringe constantly. I liked the initial scene at the party and I was fine with the idea of Spike trying to whisk Buffy away for an evening to 'woo' her. But things started to go downhill for me soon. I was fine with Spike's unsouled perspective of his freedom from who William was and what his life might have been like and his lack of understanding of what a soul would do to him. I'm assuming from this and what happens early on with William appearing that the story is perhaps going to go for Spike accepting how much of 'William' is still who he is. Maybe. Non of that really bothers me. Although I really don't like Spike being deemed as some sort of special snowflake as this tends to sweep aside all that he has done often and his ongoing flaws. The idea his demon isn't in control as much generally seems to be trying to state something sweeping and really simplified. I see no reason to believe Spike is any different regarding his demon/human mix than other vampires. It is just individuality, personality and motivations and of course combined with the chip has him in a unique situation. So that irks me a little but I'm fairly used to things like this. This specifically isn't unusual when writers are looking for Buffy accepting Spike unsouled, which this seems to be heading to. What is making me consider stopping (which would be very unusual for me) is Buffy and William.

    It feels like writer wish fulfilment to just write Buffy realising she loves him suddenly and the emphasis is towards seeing the best of him and so he's praised/appreciated. But then William appears, Buffy sees him as being very different from Spike although obviously believes in the connection between the two. And then decides to just seduce him. She even talks at one point as if she may end up feeling guilty, introducing the aspect that part of her sees this as cheating on Spike. That even if it is with his own body, there is that element of them being distinct. Heck, it even goes as far as saying he needs a new invitation into the house which is weird. She just concluded that she loves Spike and now she's freely walking into cheating on him like she's a randy teen that can't control herself. Granted I hate cheating, that does influence how I feel, but William is socially uncertain, totally out of place and this hugely steps outside his social boundaries. It just feels really icky to me and I have to say even slightly abusive when she just started rubbing him up because if she's going to spend the day stuck on the island that's how she'd prefer to be entertained.

    Then there is William and how he is written is really clunky. He seems more out of place and naive because of the time displacement rather than the socially awkward dreamer that William seemed to me. But I can roll with a great deal of what I'd see as dubious characterisation because this isn't William, it is a vampire William. So... it's Spike. Wait, no it isn't. So William isn't William because he goes into gameface and is still able to fight etc, but he's also disconnected from the demon somehow. Fine I can go with all of that because there is some magic at play. But I am just expecting William to become more confident and assertive and have the elements of Spike's character that are to be admired seem to slowly come to the fore with him. The problem is I don't like him, how he's being written or his interaction with Buffy.

    I would have preferred perhaps to see Buffy going down this path with him, using him as she had been using Spike, but through this journey and her increasing regard for William, her seeing the connections between him/Spike (that Spike himself could come to then accept with less embarrassment perhaps too) bringing her treatment of Spike up for question to her. Then the experience of it all leads to her realising she loved Spike rather than her behaving as she has after having, in theory, already come to that conclusion. I don't know. I mean personally I don't like Buffy being purely the one that is holding them back. If only she would accept him and guide him more etc. But it isn't that I haven't read a mass of stories that do a lot of these things to have Spike accepted soulless and I can normally just accept the canon shifts with a shrug, even though I prefer canon. And this is still set pre late S6 which is when I start to find that more problematic. But, it's just the way they are being written, the sequence alongside Buffy's realisation here just means I'm not liking the characters at all at the moment, so the interest in reading how it unfolds is miniscule.

    So really I'm asking if I should continue? Does it get better? If it stays very much with this tone/these dynamics through it then I think I'll quit.
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    I'm on chapter 14 and it doesn't change significantly in style or the way the characters interact. I like the story and I am a huge William fan. Therefore this is certainly my cup of tea but you will meet the same characterizations if you continue.

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    I'm a huge William fan. Just not this William with this Buffy. So I'm going to leave it. A very rare choice for me.

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    I have finished this story and just want to say that having Spike and William together in a fic was quite unusual and it was a huge asset of this story. I loved their interaction and their conversations. I was a bit afraid that this might turn into a Buffy/Spike/William threesome but that wasn't the case and it was a good decision by the author to not go down that road. The claim was done in a way that was so much more likeable to me than it's usually done in Spuffy fics. The one thing that confused me though, was, that Buffy did not get at all why Spike would be hurt by her sleeping with William and even told Spike off for making a fuss about it.

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