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    Default 2020 U.S. Presidential Election Thread

    A new cycle needs a new thread.

    So... who is going to be Joe Biden's running mate? I guess that's the salient question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingofCretins View Post
    A new cycle needs a new thread.

    So... who is going to be Joe Biden's running mate? I guess that's the salient question.

    please tell me you are not serious....

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    I'll never understand why it takes two years to run an election. Canada is voting this fall, on or before Oct 19th and we haven't even started gearing up for it.


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    We're pretty much the same as Canada, we get a couple of months, at most, of electioneering. Any more, and I think the British public would riot

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    Quote Originally Posted by StateOfSiege97 View Post
    please tell me you are not serious....
    It's the exact same thing on the Democrat side in 2020 that it was on the Republican side in 2016 - where from the very beginning there was a prohibitive, dominant polling advantage that made it pretty objectively clear who was going to be the nominee right from the start.

    Followed by months and months of people who don't prefer this candidate trying to explain why the polling advantage doesn't mean what it obviously means or how it will easily be overcome at the last minute.

    Followed by speculation that maybe a curveball can be thrown at the convention to get a more proper and ideologically desirable candidate nominated at the last minute.

    Followed by the person who was obviously going to get the nomination from early on, getting the nomination.

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    I'll never understand why it takes two years to run an election. Canada is voting this fall, on or before Oct 19th and we haven't even started gearing up for it.
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    We're pretty much the same as Canada, we get a couple of months, at most, of electioneering. Any more, and I think the British public would riot
    Simple answer is that we've improperly made the President too prominent a feature of our government and Congress has continually deferred more of its own role to the executive branch and judiciary so it becomes almost the only thing that matters (as long as the unelected administrative state is cooperative, but that's probably its own thread).

    Could fix it pretty easy even just from the electoral side. Get rid of party primaries - or at least make them bear the full cost of holding them, no state financed polling sites or poll workers. A lot of time and money is wasted on this when all it is is an argument between a party leadership and voters over who the party should advance when it's always the party's call if they have the spine to make it.

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    It's a shame they couldn't have picked someone more progressive but if Biden can get the job done, then Biden it is.

    Whether or not he can get the job done, well, I don't know. The 2018 Midterms made it clear that voters are willing to come out in force against Trump but it's also true that the Midterms never guarantee the election either (far from it).

    I want to remain optimistic that the US can get it's sanity back but Trump has already gotten away with so much that I'm feeling quite defeatist about the whole thing.

    I'm just honestly not sure about Biden. If the midterms taught us anything, it's that the Democrats did especially well when they ran with really progressive candidates/policies. Biden just isn't all that progressive and I'm not sure he's got it in him to make young voters/democrats inspired enough to go to the polls. I do think he makes Trump scared though - which would be fun - but I'm not sure if he can get them over the line.
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    The thing is, I just don't think that
    Biden can get it done—

    His announcement was disastrous, and as
    vampmogs notes, I don't think he'll
    be able to rally the more progressive wing
    of the party to get out to vote—

    Nor, do I think, does he have the force to
    persuade swing voters...

    With whom does that leave us?

    I love Elizabeth Warren's platform thus far,
    but I do not trust her as a candidate—she's
    already fallen for Trump's baiting...

    And I don't trust most of the others, save
    Bernie Sanders—

    (As someone born and raised in El Paso, I
    so wanted to trust Beto, but he's going back
    on everything I liked about him as a senate
    candidate... And he has certain policies that
    trouble me... )

    And contrary to mainstream party nay-sayers,
    I do think Bernie could both get out the progressive
    vote and draw in swing voters with the right
    platform....

    But given the way the Electoral College works (a
    thing I'd love to do away with) and the consistent,
    successful attempts to suppress votes, I just don't
    know...

    And I don't trust Trump at all—don't trust what he'll
    do if he thinks he is going to lose....


    ps I agree with you, KofC, on primaries and such—
    so great a waste of time and money, all for nothing
    substantive when it comes to the ideas and desires
    of actual voters....

    And even more on the excessive power of the presidency—
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    * Literally the rules have changed since 2016 A.D. Vice President Joseph Biden doesn't have the advantage Hilary Clinton did. I haven't watched 'Night 2' of the first Democratic Presidential Primary Debate yet, but US Senator Elizabeth Warren's performance confirmed her relative weakness regarding debate. Hers not going on Fox News for a Town Hall signified that she cannot argue her points like US Senator Bernard Sanders can.


    * Julian Castro had a great showing, but he's not going to be the next US President. I consider US Congressperson Tulsi Gabbard had relatively the best showing. The US people don't want war. She could easily be the next US Defense Secretary or US Secretary of State or US Vice President.


    * It takes a long time for information to get out. The US President is the most powerful person in the world. US President Donald Trump has relatively proven that--aside from his still needing oil a la Saudi Arabia the UAE, etc.--that the US is more powerful than 'The West--including Japan--and China combined.

    The US doesn't have a parliament system. The US President is very powerful and its right that it elections take so long.


    * Anyway, looking forward to seeing 'Night 2' of the Democratic Presidential Primary Debate. I support US Senator Bernie Sanders and US Senator Elizabeth Warren, as either can relatively easily beat US President Donald Trump. And they are tough. US Senator Elizabeth Warren didn't run in 2016 A.D. The 'Pocahontas' thing showed her relative weakness. And her debating skills aren't great.



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    All elections should be publicly financed, politicians should make much more and be banned from lobbying, aides and such should make much more and be banned from lobbying.

    Doing away with any public financing of elections would be disastrous for democracy. We already live in a plutocracy or even oligarchy.
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    * As I expected, US Senator Kamala Harris had a great night and would emerge as the better version of US Vice President Joseph Biden.


    * The 'mainstream' media is beyond obviously biased toward the 'establishment' and 'centrism'. Saying 'Mayor Pete' had the second best showing to Kamala Harris is irritating. He didn't actually say much. And he got a lot of fundraising dollars after the debate.

    US Senator Bernard Sanders had the second best showing of the second night of the First US Presidential Democratic Primary Debate. He did better than US Senator Elizabeth Warren simply because he's clearly able to command attention and he's willing and able to talk over people. Warren is still too polite and still too unassertive.


    * US Senator Kamala Harris wasn't asked tough questions regarding her record and thus she wasn't attacked at all. The dynamics still have US Senator Bernie Sanders as the actual front-runner with US Senator Elizabeth Warren still able to catch up. I don't foresee 'Mayor Pete' surpassing US Senator Kamala Harris.

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    What's the deal with Yang? Some of the Americans I follow on twitter were up in arms about him having his mic turned down/off. Those who watched it, did they get the impression he was cut off?

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    * Yang didn't get many questions, but others in the debates simply asserted themselves--meaning they interrupted, talked over others, etc.


    * I am shocked and disappointed with how weak US Speaker of the House of Representatives Nancy Pelosi has been. She was progressive compared to those years ago and she is the most powerful US Speaker of the House ever, but this is not the days of Obama.

    Medicare for All, the Green New Deal, free public college--these are very popular proposals. US House of Representatives Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez gets results by being bold and progressive.

    These past several months have shown there's a distinct difference between a "liberal" and a "progressive".

    And the New York Times 's new editor is even more "conservative" than I assumed when I read his 'introduction letter'. The paper seems very anti-progressive, very pro-'establishment' and has columnists who clearly say the Democratic Party should be pre-Trump Republican i.e. even more 'conservative' than President Barack Obama who essentially governed as a moderate Republican. President William Jefferson Clinton was more 'progressive' than Obama.

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    So, I may have been wrong about US Senator Elizabeth Warren--she's showing some toughness--in terms of debate--she hadn't prior. US Senators Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren handily won the 2nd US Democratic Presidential Debate. US Vice President Joe Biden and US Senator Kamala Harris were harmed.

    Biden's still in the lead, but its very tentative.

    Warren is relatively gaining steam in terms of polling.

    'Mayor Pete' and Harris are doing a lot of 'big donor' fundraising, but it's highly unlikely either will get the nomination.

    US Senator Elizabeth Warren is relatively currently in the best position to win the nomination and the US Presidency. Both Sanders and Harris supporters support her as their 'second choices'; albeit many Biden's supporters 'second choice' is Sanders.

    We'll see how things go. Presently, it seems the US Presidency and the US House of Representatives will be Democratic but the US Senate may remain Republican. I hope though that some of these US Democratic Presidential Candidates switch to challenging US Republican Senators.
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    Unless there is a significant downturn in the economy, which is doing quite well, I don't think Trump is losing. If his field of opponents decide to stay farther from middle America and focus in trying to appeal to "the squad's" core supporters, I think his electoral margin will increase and the oft flogged but always inconsequential national aggregate will be closer, at least.

    But as long as the economy is going well and Trump doesn't go mush on the core issues he ran on (immigration, 2A, the judiciary, and trade - although I doubt like his trade policy), think a second term is almost a given. The polling doesn't faze me all that much because we've been here before.

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    How f*cking depressing.......

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    But true...

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    Quote Originally Posted by flow View Post
    But true...

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    Yeah It seems just like in the UK at the moment there's too many greedy idiots walking around that believe any damn thing If It's repeated enough times.

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    * Hilary Clinton was very unpopular and she still won the popular vote by around 3 millions. US Senator Bernie Sanders is one of the most popular politicians. US Senator Elizabeth Warren is popular. Vice President Joseph Biden is popular.

    The concern is the US Senate and whether Democrats will rid of the filibuster (which they should, as Republicans will rid of it later on anyway).

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    * I don't know why Bill Maher is pushing US Senator Amy Klobuchar (I had to look up how to spell her surname). She's polling 9th and hasn't done well in the debates. The Democratic might have another 1968 A.D. thing if she's chosen at the 2019 Democratic Convention.

    Maher seems to simply want another Barack Obama. The country is further to the left than when Obama was US President. Donald Trump won by touting economic populism and racism. Trump was further to the left of Hilary Clinton on trade. Trump tied Clinton to her Goldman Sachs fundraisers.

    The voters know Trump is very corrupt. He's not to the left of US Senators Sanders and Warren on trade and economic policy. And he's not popular. Maher is also incorrect by calling "The Squad" unpopular given they are more popular than almost all other politicians especially including US Speaker of the House of Representatives Nancy Pelosi and US Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell.

    US Senators Sanders and Warren did the best in the 3rd Democratic debate and Sanders is doing very well in State matchups against Trump.

    And this is before many people are even paying attention to the US Presidential Democratic Primaries.

    The only things voters don't like that some of the US Democratic Presidential Candidates are touting are 'open borders' and reparations.

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    Obama was very much a centrist, as have been all democrat presidents since Carter.

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    All caught up.

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    Copy & Pasted this: http://www.buffyforums.net/forums/sh...l=1#post755305



    * US Senator Kamala Harris is essentially out of the race. ‘Mayor Pete’ has racial problems that the Mainstream Media for some reason isn’t addressing. They try to paint Black people not supporting ‘Mayor Pete’ as being probably homophobic. ‘Mayor Pete’ has real problems in South Bend, Indiana. Black people are generally correct not to support him over others in the US Presidential Democratic Primaries.


    * US Senator Elizabeth Warren is doing better in the Debates and she’s putting out good plans. I have more confidence in her against US President Donald Trump or Mike Pence. But US Senator Bernard Sanders polls better than her against Trump and would probably be better in debates.


    * I don’t like the idea of US Senator Sanders possibly actually being anti-billionaire. I currently lean toward US Senator Warren’s positions—especially regarding foreign policy.


    * Michael Bloomberg would get crushed by US President Trump. It’s easily argued Bloomberg is much less of a Democrat than former California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger and it’s easily argued Schwarzenegger was a better Governor than Bloomberg was a Mayor.


    * US Vice President Joseph Biden is possibly somehow a worse candidate than Hilary Clinton was. He also doesn’t get big crowds. And his fundraising is somehow worse than former ‘nobodies’.


    * I consider it irrational for the very rich and the very wealthy to openly oppose things like US Senator Elizabeth Warren’s wealth taxes and such.

    John D. Rockefeller gave most of his wealth to charity and founded the University of Chicago. Andrew Carnegie established a bunch of libraries and such. Cornelius Vanderbilt left a legacy of charity. These were some of the greatest businesspeople in history. William Gates is giving away most of his money and is still only semi-liked by the general public. Those others are still mostly considered robber barons, but they aren’t completed hated because of all the charity.

    Living in a bubble is simply that. “I need a few extra hundred million, billion, etc.; so, you cannot have health care, higher education, social security, etc.”

    George Washington was a very rich man and he used that wealth to personally finance part of the Continental Army. Michael Bloomberg simply used his wealth to essentially buy elections and again wants to try to buy his way in the US Presidency.

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    * Medicare For All isn’t a “nice concept”: it’s desperately needed and will eventually happen. It’s supported by the majority of the people.

    The Democrats have become weak and there’s a reason those like US Senator Bernard Sanders and US Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez are the most popular Democrats in the United States.


    US Speaker of the House of Representatives Nancy Pelosi and US President Barack Obama care more about their personal legacy—the relatively weak ‘Affordable Care Act’—than they do about the people.

    US Pres. Obama wasn’t even as good a President as US President William Jefferson Clinton. US Pres. Clinton was a ‘moderate’ Democrat. US Pres. Obama mostly governed like a ‘Nixon Republican’ i.e. a ‘moderate’ Republican (back when there were actual moderate Republicans).



    * US Senator Elizabeth Warren seems to be ‘backing down’ from actually supporting Medicare For All. She seems relatively weak compared to US Senator Sanders. Not running in 2016 A.D. shows weakness. Not doing a Town Hall on Fox News shows weakness. Giving into the ‘no middle-class tax increases’ to pay for Medicare For All shows weakness.




    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS9CFBlLOcg ( Patriot Act with Hasan Minhaj.

    I’m still not sure if The United States should try to have no billionaires, but the US is increasingly becoming a plutocracy or even oligarchy. Some to most people who think they are rich and powerful actually aren’t. A millionaire cannot compete with a billionaire.




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    http://www.buffyforums.net/forums/sh...l=1#post752116

    Are you a Trump supporter?


    * AOC is more popular than Trump.

    But as long as the economy is going well and Trump doesn't go mush on the core issues he ran on (immigration, 2A, the judiciary, and trade - although I doubt like his trade policy)
    The US public doesn’t like Trump’s immigration policies, are getting fed up with Trump and the Republican Party kowtowing to the NRA, Democrats and independents are very concerned about the Judiciary being more ‘toward Trump’, and very few like Trump’s trade policy.

    The majority of the US public already want Trump Impeached and Removed from Office.

    US Senator Mitch McConnell is very at risk of losing his US Senate race.

    Things aren’t looking good for Trump.

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