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    Quote Originally Posted by bespangled View Post
    We are in a hell dimension - that is what is going on.
    If it helps, I don't think you're on your own - much of the world seems to be heading that way. All I can say is - it must be a very big handcart.

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    Okay, let me get this straight. Six terrorists entered the U.S. via the southern border and 3994 terrorists entered the U.S. via other points of entry? And this is supposed to explain how vital the wall along the southern border is?

    And this is coming from people, who have the power to drop a nuclear bomb, wherever they like to drop it?

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    Not too mention the fact that I've read somewhere that the wall would only stop 30% of illegal immigrants. Most don't 'run across the border', but come in via a different means (check points/boat/plane/tunnel/visa). So it seems like A LOT of money to stop less than a 1/3 of the problem. Yet this is what our commander in tweets is holding up the government for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HowiMetdaSlayer View Post
    Not too mention the fact that I've read somewhere that the wall would only stop 30% of illegal immigrants. Most don't 'run across the border', but come in via a different means (check points/boat/plane/tunnel/visa). So it seems like A LOT of money to stop less than a 1/3 of the problem. Yet this is what our commander in tweets is holding up the government for?
    Commander in tweets is very funny, first time I've heard that label. Did you make it up? And it might be 1/3 of 4 or 400 or 4000 or 400000 so maybe it's not so much the percentage but the total number he's after?

    Common Canadian perspective is that he has been elected on division and he has to keep the division in place to maintain his presidency. All this is fueling the "us and them" mentality he needs to stay in office. His core supporters want a wall so a wall they shall get.


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    Dunno who originated that particular moniker, but they should've trademarked it.

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    Border crossing and illegal immigration is statiscslly decreasing but we all know Trump’s only stirring up more hate and more anti-immigrant rheteroic to stir up his base and distract everyone else from the Mueller Investigation. He had ample opportunity to passbook legislation when Republicans controlled the house and he didn’t. He doesn’t give a sh*t.
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    Given this thread somehow seems more active recently than my http://www.buffyforums.net/forums/sh...ntial-Election thread, I'm going to copy and paste my posts from that thread into this thread. Though I might only still add new posts in that thread and simply C&P them into this thread.


    http://www.buffyforums.net/forums/sh...l=1#post739809 (27-12-18, 11:23 AM)

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    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...elections.html


    * Democratic Leader of the United States House of Representatives Nancy Patricia D'Alesandro Pelosi is the main reason—other than the relative ‘money advantage’ for the US House of Reps. that the Democrats had—the Democrats had a such a ‘blue wave’ in the US House of Reps.

    Remember that these gains are from the heavily gerrymandered ‘2010 Census’ districts.

    One of the US President Barack Obama’s biggest mistakes is not embracing Super PACs during the US 2010 elections. Many of the House seats were barely won by Republicans and pretty much only because of the money advantage they had because of Super PACs aka the Citizens United decision. And, almost no one was buying that there were only rich Republicans and no rich Democrats.



    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...elections.html


    * Sadly, the Brett Kavanaugh hearings helped Republicans in the US Senate.

    US Senator Claire McCaskill essentially became a Republican to try to keep her US Senate seat. Bad idea. Missouri voters voted to a minimum wage increase.

    The US Senator Bill Nelson loss in Florida is a bad break. ‘Natural disaster’ probably helped Rick Scott.


    * Losing 2 seats wasn’t the worst outcome predicted for the Democrats.



    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...elections.html


    * Florida is very frustrating. The Reform candidate shouldn’t have even a thing. The United States has 2 Political Parties. Give those votes to Andrew Gillum and Gillum is the new Governor.

    Second to that, we are still in the ‘Trump era’. How many Black people are in Florida? Give Andrew Gillum’s policies to a White or even a ‘brown’ guy and that person would be the new Governor of Florida.


    * Georgia is even more frustrating. The Secretary of State for Georgia ran for Governor and didn’t recuse himself? But the media and Democrats couldn’t stop that. Brian Kemp was a relatively incredibly weak candidate and yet still won. The liberals simply focused too much on the ‘first female Black woman’ thing. And see that the Libertarian candidate got almost 1% of the vote.


    * Still, the Democrats gained 7 Governors seats overall. And, of course, many seats in the Legislatures of the various States.

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    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/alexand...pt-2019-01-06/

    I like US House Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez a lot. It isn't good politics to say you want a 60-70% tax rate for personal earnings over $10MM to pay for things like everyone having electric cars.

    And the difference between the 1960s and 1970s and earlier and nowadays is that more people nowadays make large incomes and a wider variety of people make large incomes.

    Anyway, raising such taxes to pay down the National Debt and/or to pay for infrastructure, etc. could politically work. Doing away with the caps for payroll taxes could work. Raising such taxes so everyone can drive Telsas--extreme, but that would easily be the criticism--is not politically sound.

    I'm more in favor of a one-time or whatever wealth tax. Taxes on wealthy corporations and wealthy individuals in the United States have been relatively very low since essentially the 1990s. And the wealthy nowadays are far more likely to keep almost all of their wealth than donate to charitable causes.

    Bill Gates is the closest we've had since John D. Rockefeller and Andrew Carnegie in terms of charitable giving.

    When Amazon.com was worth around $1T, how awesome would it have been for Jeff Bezos to donate $50B to open one or a few world-class universities. You know who the last person to fund a world-class university was? John D. Rockefeller essentially founded and funded the University of Chicago.




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    * Florida Governor Jed Bush clearly had influence during the 2000 Election and it is beyond silly to try to assert that the Secretary of State for a State has little influence over the elections in that State. Either you know very little of civics and politics or you are being dishonest or whatever.

    I'm sure you remember Bush vs. Gore. That Abrams was relatively weak is my entire point. She and the Democrats couldn't even get Kemp to recuse himself.


    * I said that the Libertarian votes would mostly otherwise go to the Republican candidate. Reform is a different story. The Republican Party is much further 'to the right' than it was in 2000 A.D. Nowadays, most Reform votes would go to the Democratic Candidate. And a significant portion of Libertarian votes would otherwise go to the Democratic Candidate.

    Like a significant number of Bernie supporters voted for Donald Trump.

    Again, Florida and Georgia were won and lost on policy not demography. Hell, it isn't Florida being too white that hurts socialist candidates,
    How about look at the ACTUAL NUMBERS. You clearly either didn't look at the link or you are completely ignoring it. Andrew Gillium barely lost. Give his policies to a White or 'brown' person and that person would have won.

    as much as our "brown" being too many Cubans who effing know better by proportion to people from countries who have only dreamt of socialism and never had to survive it.
    Since when has any major US politician advocated 'Cuban-style socialism'? Again: "Either you know very little of civics and politics or you are being dishonest or whatever."

    McCaskill lost her seat when she didn't vote to confirm, same as Donnelly, Heitkamp, and Nelson.
    Again, you need to re-read my post: "Sadly, the Brett Kavanaugh hearings helped Republicans in the US Senate."

    The Brett Kavanaugh hearings helped the Democrats in the US House of Representatives and will probably help in the 2020 Elections. Brett Kavanaugh in terms of policy isn't as bad as Gorsuch, but still pretty bad.

    We just need Associate Justice of the United States Supreme Court Ruth Bader Ginsburg to remain alive a few more years.

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    AOC is fantastic, albeit I don't follow her on Twitter, Instragram, etc.; nevertheless, I hardly ever visit Twitter and/or Instagram.

    I used to occasionally watch The Young Turks back when I was in college but hadn't seen it since. I'm now a subscriber specifically because of how instrumental they were in getting Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to win her primary and thus become a member of the United States House of Representatives. Overall, listening to the Young Turks podcast and reading The New Yorker makes me better informed than if I were to spend around ANY time watching cable or network news and reading more of the New York Times and Washington Post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeB View Post
    * Florida Governor Jed Bush clearly had influence during the 2000 Election and it is beyond silly to try to assert that the Secretary of State for a State has little influence over the elections in that State. Either you know very little of civics and politics or you are being dishonest or whatever.

    I'm sure you remember Bush vs. Gore. That Abrams was relatively weak is my entire point. She and the Democrats couldn't even get Kemp to recuse himself.
    Look, I'm going to be blunt - you have absolutely nothing to tell me about the American courts or political system, let alone in Florida. I have a degree in political science and I'm a member of the Florida Bar. Whichever lane is yours, this one ain't it.

    She couldn't get Kemp to recuse himself because there was no legally meritorious argument for requiring him to do so, and that's all there is to it. There wasn't even a legal action to attempt it because even the Abrams campaign knew it was nonsense, they just wanted the public opinion stove hot. As I said, they directed all their efforts at the actual bodies at interest, which are the county boards of elections, and they never won a single claim on the merits. Cenk Uygher can tell you different all he likes, but he's full of it.

    I find your obsession with Gillum's ethnicity to be venal and crass. Once again, the state went for Obama twice. There is no liability in running for state-wide office as a black man. He lost because more people rejected his public policy vision than accepted it.

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    How can your own government not pay you? How is this even possible ? And why do they have to work without getting paid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by flow View Post
    How can your own government not pay you? How is this even possible ? And why do they have to work without getting paid?

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    Heh, it’s Trump’s promise to run government like he ran his businesses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flow View Post
    How can your own government not pay you? How is this even possible ? And why do they have to work without getting paid?

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    Trump has never paid a bill in his life. He hears about gas, childcare, mortgages, bills, expenses - it means nothing. All he wants is loyalty. He wants to be a Russian oligarch - not the president of the US. He admires strongmen dictators. He's a total tool of Putin, and he's too stupid to realize it.

    TSA is charged with preventing terrorist attacks. The people who should be getting paid are calling in sick in order to work odd jobs and get money to survive. There is talk of a strike - and the probability that Trump will fire them all.

    The Republicans are useless - I will never vote for a Republican again. I don't admire the Democrats, but I find the Republicans in office to be beyond contempt.

    So - how do y'all feel about Brexit, from the EU end of the conundrum?

    BTW - I live at the border. The wall is not wanted here, not by locals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bespangled View Post
    So - how do y'all feel about Brexit, from the EU end of the conundrum?
    I'm not very knowledgable about politics/economics but, as a Brit, I keep hoping Brexit won't happen tbh. They should never have done a referendum in the first place on something so serious/complicated that needs those whose jobs it is to analyse and understand what is best for the whole country to make the choices, not the masses like me who would view it from an individual/bias perspective. I'm not sure how big a pipe dream it is that it won't happen, but really the government should have the guts to turn around and say they can't draw up a good deal that will be beneficial to the country. That seems to clearly be the case and means we are now risking not even getting a deal at all. They've spent two years trying and it obviously isn't working. The EU isn't going to want to give us anything great or better because they devalue being a member by doing so. I think it'll be years before the economic problems this will cause will be fixed/stabilise if they go ahead. It's like watching someone running towards a cliff and despite seeing the looming precipice refusing to stop or turn around because they'd said there were going in that direction, promised they would. Except it's worse because they are taking us all with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bespangled View Post
    Trump has never paid a bill in his life. He hears about gas, childcare, mortgages, bills, expenses - it means nothing. All he wants is loyalty. He wants to be a Russian oligarch - not the president of the US. He admires strongmen dictators. He's a total tool of Putin, and he's too stupid to realize it.

    TSA is charged with preventing terrorist attacks. The people who should be getting paid are calling in sick in order to work odd jobs and get money to survive. There is talk of a strike - and the probability that Trump will fire them all.

    The Republicans are useless - I will never vote for a Republican again. I don't admire the Democrats, but I find the Republicans in office to be beyond contempt.
    43,000 members of the Coast Guard are working without pay as well. First time since the Revolutionary War that the US hasn't paid military officials. It's a complete joke that Trump claims that he cares the most about the military and securing the border and protecting the homeland but he's the one holding up giving the people protecting this country the resources they need.

    I'm particularly FURIOUS at his new con-man pivot that Mexico will be paying through the wall with a trade deal and how he never said that Mexico would be writing a check.

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    Are the equivalent of members of parliament getting paid? (The politicians governors/senators or what ever they're called?) this is not likely to happen in Canada so it is hard to understand. The prime minister is the leader of the political party with the most seats. If they can't pass legislation it's considered a non confidence vote and triggers an election. We also have the Governor General who is able to call an election at any time. So if there is a government melt down it just sends us back to voting. Admittedly there have been times when we've had very short runs between federal elections but it seems like a better system to me.


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    If you ever needed proof that The Wall is more about racism than border security then look no further to what happened here;

    https://globalnews.ca/news/4867293/m...ter-covington/

    A bunch of (overwhelmingly) white teenagers from Kentucky in MAGA garb chanting "build the wall!" around an elderly, Native American Vietnam War Veteran at a pro-life/women's march today. They surrounded him, stopped him from passing through, and laughed at him, pointed at him, and mocked his traditional chant.

    It wasn't even a rally for The Wall and they're chanting this to an indigenous American. The Wall has nothing to do with border security. It's about imposing white supremacy over anyone of colour. Fu*king disgusting little creeps. Can't even imagine what cesspool families they come from where they're raised to be like this. Trump's America.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoSpuffy View Post
    Are the equivalent of members of parliament getting paid? (The politicians governors/senators or what ever they're called?) this is not likely to happen in Canada so it is hard to understand. The prime minister is the leader of the political party with the most seats. If they can't pass legislation it's considered a non confidence vote and triggers an election. We also have the Governor General who is able to call an election at any time. So if there is a government melt down it just sends us back to voting. Admittedly there have been times when we've had very short runs between federal elections but it seems like a better system to me.
    The founding fathers actually warned against political parties because of how divisive they could be. I think a govt without parties as a primary form of regulating was seen as more stable. We have 3 co-equal branches. Congress is split into 2 houses - the senate has two representatives per state, and the house has a shifting number per state according to census. They have the power to reign in the president - bu the Republicans are refusing to use it.

    If Trump really gave a crap about the wall he would have gotten the money when both houses of congress were controlled by Republicans. As it is 96% of the money he was given has not been spent. Basically this has nothing to do with a wall, and everything to do with feeding red meat to the base. It's the only way Republicans can survive the hurricane they created. Angry old white men are dying off - and that is the only real base they have left. If they don't pander to them, then they are already dead. Demographics will do the job if there is enough of the govt and the country left to save. I think there will be.
    Bottom line is, even if you see them coming, you're not ready for the big moments...The big moments are gonna come, you can't help that. It's what you do afterwards that counts. That's when you find out who you are.

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