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    - Shadow
    + Forever

    Real Me - 8
    The Replacement - 5
    Out of My Mind - 7
    No Place Like Home - 7
    Fool for Love - 7
    Shadow - 1
    Listening to Fear - 5
    Into the Woods - 5
    Checkpoint - 5
    Blood Ties - 7
    Crush - 7
    I Was Made to Love You - 5
    The Body - 5
    Forever - 7
    Intervention - 9
    Tough Love - 5
    Spiral - 5
    The Weight of the World - 5
    The Gift - 5


    Reset when these numbers remain:
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    Eliminated:
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    20. Family
    21. Triangle
    22. Buffy vs Dracula

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    Top 3 of season 1: 1st - Prophecy Girl, 2nd - Out of Mind, Out of Sight, 3rd - Nightmares
    Top 3 of season 2: 1st - Becoming Pt 2, 2nd - Passion, 3rd - Lie to Me
    Top 3 of season 3: 1st - The Wish, 2nd - Helpless, 3rd - Lovers Walk
    Top 3 of season 4: 1st - Restless, 2nd - Hush, 3rd Something Blue
    Top 3 of season 5:
    Top 3 of season 6:
    Top 3 of season 7:
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    Quote Originally Posted by TimeTravellingBunny View Post
    I kind of started to dislike Triangle during my latest rewatch - it has some of the worst examples of Jane Espenson violating characterization for the benefit of comedy, especially with Buffy - though I wouldn't say it's a really bad episode.
    Ah yes, the sniffling about Xander and Anya's love, that is annoying.

    But I agree on S5 being consistent and I would also say, objectively, it is the best season but I still prefer S6. Just.

    I agree on your top 9 being within the top ten, but I'm not sure where I'd place Spiral within those. I also agree with most of your top 4. It'll be interesting to see what we end up with in that top 9 and the order that pans out.


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    Real Me - 8
    The Replacement - 5
    Out of My Mind - 7
    No Place Like Home - 7
    Fool for Love - 7
    Listening to Fear - 5
    Into the Woods - 5
    Checkpoint - 6
    Blood Ties - 7
    Crush - 7
    I Was Made to Love You - 5
    The Body - 5
    Forever - 7
    Intervention - 9
    Tough Love - 5
    Spiral - 5
    The Weight of the World - 5
    The Gift - 5


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    20. Family
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    22. Buffy vs Dracula

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    Top 3 of season 1: 1st - Prophecy Girl, 2nd - Out of Mind, Out of Sight, 3rd - Nightmares
    Top 3 of season 2: 1st - Becoming Pt 2, 2nd - Passion, 3rd - Lie to Me
    Top 3 of season 3: 1st - The Wish, 2nd - Helpless, 3rd - Lovers Walk
    Top 3 of season 4: 1st - Restless, 2nd - Hush, 3rd Something Blue
    Top 3 of season 5:
    Top 3 of season 6:
    Top 3 of season 7:

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    I think my top 5 are the gift, intervention, crush , fool for love, and the body. I actually find the body hard to watch and have probably watched it the least amount of times but that doesn't mean it isn't great.


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    Real Me does noting for me - but Blood Ties gives some good information - and some great Spike & Dawn

    - Real Me
    + Blood Ties

    Real Me - 7
    The Replacement - 5
    Out of My Mind - 7
    No Place Like Home - 7
    Fool for Love - 7
    Listening to Fear - 5
    Into the Woods - 5
    Checkpoint - 6
    Blood Ties - 8
    Crush - 7
    I Was Made to Love You - 5
    The Body - 5
    Forever - 7
    Intervention - 9
    Tough Love - 5
    Spiral - 5
    The Weight of the World - 5
    The Gift - 5


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    Top 3 of season 1: 1st - Prophecy Girl, 2nd - Out of Mind, Out of Sight, 3rd - Nightmares
    Top 3 of season 2: 1st - Becoming Pt 2, 2nd - Passion, 3rd - Lie to Me
    Top 3 of season 3: 1st - The Wish, 2nd - Helpless, 3rd - Lovers Walk
    Top 3 of season 4: 1st - Restless, 2nd - Hush, 3rd Something Blue
    Top 3 of season 5:
    Top 3 of season 6:
    Top 3 of season 7:[/QUOTE]
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    I think Real Me is a clever way to really engage you with the new character and give a lot of insight in one blast. I don't think it's one of the best of the season but I didn't want to see it go out as one of the first. I'd probably put it above Listening to Fear at least still, possibly I Was Made to Love You and Into the Woods too, but at least it will be closer to the reset now if I'm on my own.

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    I think I would put Into The Woods over it. What bothers me is that t's pretty clear Dawn was supposed to be much younger, so it really doesn't introduce her.

    Into The Woods bothers me because of the ending, but it's pretty pivotal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoney View Post
    Ah yes, the sniffling about Xander and Anya's love, that is annoying.

    But I agree on S5 being consistent and I would also say, objectively, it is the best season but I still prefer S6. Just.

    I agree on your top 9 being within the top ten, but I'm not sure where I'd place Spiral within those. I also agree with most of your top 4. It'll be interesting to see what we end up with in that top 9 and the order that pans out.
    Spiral is pretty good, I'd probably put it at 10, but it does have the Knights of Byzantium (what a stupid concept - why do these medieval-like guys exist in the 21st century, and Knights of Byzanthium?? Did Joss just randomly squish together two words that sounded most medieval? Please, Joss, never write/reference anything remotely to do with history, ever again). Though Checkpoint has them, too, but they're more prominent in Spiral.
    You keep waiting for the dust to settle and then you realize it; the dust is your life going on. If happy comes along - that weird unbearable delight that's actual happy - I think you have to grab it while you can. You take what you can get, 'cause it's here, and then...gone.

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    I hear people say that Dawn clearly was intended to be younger all the time and I really don't see it or feel that it matters especially. Personally I think it works fine as characterisation that she was babied a little even. It often happens a bit with second children and with Buffy as the slayer and perceived as 'causing trouble' from when she was called, it makes sense that it could happen a little more in fact. That the monks would even deliberately exaggerate everyone's protectiveness of her beyond her years is also totally plausible. It's very easy to explain if you do feel it is there and/or problematic. It's but one point about the character anyway, I don't think that shift invalidates the value of getting to know her from the episode at all.

    The Knights are pretty terrible, I'll give you that TTB. But I've placed Spiral well into the top ten when ranking the episodes before at points. But all those you listed I do agree are the top eps with it so if it was close or just into the group I'd probably be happy with that.
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    - The Weight of the World
    + Intervention

    Real Me - 7
    The Replacement - 5
    Out of My Mind - 7
    No Place Like Home - 7
    Fool for Love - 7
    Listening to Fear - 5
    Into the Woods - 5
    Checkpoint - 6
    Blood Ties - 8
    Crush - 7
    I Was Made to Love You - 5
    The Body - 5
    Forever - 7
    Intervention - 10
    Tough Love - 5
    Spiral - 5
    The Weight of the World - 4
    The Gift - 5


    Reset when these numbers remain:
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    5

    Eliminated:
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    19. Shadow
    20. Family
    21. Triangle
    22. Buffy vs Dracula

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    Top 3 of season 1: 1st - Prophecy Girl, 2nd - Out of Mind, Out of Sight, 3rd - Nightmares
    Top 3 of season 2: 1st - Becoming Pt 2, 2nd - Passion, 3rd - Lie to Me
    Top 3 of season 3: 1st - The Wish, 2nd - Helpless, 3rd - Lovers Walk
    Top 3 of season 4: 1st - Restless, 2nd - Hush, 3rd Something Blue
    Top 3 of season 5:
    Top 3 of season 6:
    Top 3 of season 7:

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    Oh, I love when Willow manages to get through to Buffy and seeing Buffy's internal processing of her guilt about having given up on Dawn for that moment and the acknowledgment of the relief that could come with it. What's not to like about WotW Pricey??

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    - into the woods
    + Fool for love

    Real Me - 7
    The Replacement - 5
    Out of My Mind - 7
    No Place Like Home - 7
    Fool for Love - 8
    Listening to Fear - 5
    Into the Woods - 4
    Checkpoint - 6
    Blood Ties - 8
    Crush - 7
    I Was Made to Love You - 5
    The Body - 5
    Forever - 7
    Intervention - 10
    Tough Love - 5
    Spiral - 5
    The Weight of the World - 4
    The Gift - 5


    Reset when these numbers remain:
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    Eliminated:
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    20. Family
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    22. Buffy vs Dracula

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    Top 3 of season 1: 1st - Prophecy Girl, 2nd - Out of Mind, Out of Sight, 3rd - Nightmares
    Top 3 of season 2: 1st - Becoming Pt 2, 2nd - Passion, 3rd - Lie to Me
    Top 3 of season 3: 1st - The Wish, 2nd - Helpless, 3rd - Lovers Walk
    Top 3 of season 4: 1st - Restless, 2nd - Hush, 3rd Something Blue
    Top 3 of season 5:
    Top 3 of season 6:
    Top 3 of season 7:


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    Well, all these episodes are pretty good - but we have to start eliminating some.

    For me, Real Me is the weakest of the remaining ones (sorry, Stoney). Then Out of My Mind (other than the last scene, it doesn't have much going for it), Tough Love, The Replacement, Into the Woods (because of the ending - it's good up to that point it's really good), I Was Made to Love You, and Listening to Fear (an underrated episode, but still, probably not in the top 10).

    But since it looks like some of these are safe for now, I'm OK with going after ITW - it does have a really cheesy ending.

    + No Place Like Home
    - Into the Woods

    Real Me - 7
    The Replacement - 5
    Out of My Mind - 7
    No Place Like Home - 8
    Fool for Love - 8
    Listening to Fear - 5
    Into the Woods - 3
    Checkpoint - 6
    Blood Ties - 8
    Crush - 7
    I Was Made to Love You - 5
    The Body - 5
    Forever - 7
    Intervention - 10
    Tough Love - 5
    Spiral - 5
    The Weight of the World - 4
    The Gift - 5


    Reset when these numbers remain:
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    5

    Eliminated:
    18.
    19. Shadow
    20. Family
    21. Triangle
    22. Buffy vs Dracula

    Results:
    Top 3 of season 1: 1st - Prophecy Girl, 2nd - Out of Mind, Out of Sight, 3rd - Nightmares
    Top 3 of season 2: 1st - Becoming Pt 2, 2nd - Passion, 3rd - Lie to Me
    Top 3 of season 3: 1st - The Wish, 2nd - Helpless, 3rd - Lovers Walk
    Top 3 of season 4: 1st - Restless, 2nd - Hush, 3rd Something Blue
    Top 3 of season 5:
    Top 3 of season 6:
    Top 3 of season 7:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoney View Post
    Oh, I love when Willow manages to get through to Buffy and seeing Buffy's internal processing of her guilt about having given up on Dawn for that moment and the acknowledgment of the relief that could come with it. What's not to like about WotW Pricey??
    I just don't like seeing Buffy so broken. She's been through so much, I find it hard to believe that she would go into this catatonic state. I also don't like Willow telling her to pull herself together, I think that's just a bit cruel.

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    I know Real Me is one of the weaker ones left, I just didn't want it to be one of the very first to get voted out. I agree about your other weaker eps TTB.

    Pricey, I love seeing Buffy's intensity of reaction and then how she pulls it back again. To succumb to self doubt like that but then come out of it and fight and win is inspiring. I think Willow is tough on her, but I think it is what Buffy needs. That Willow had gone in and understood that the girl was Buffy and how she was retreating I think really shows that she is considering what Buffy is going through and is trying to connect to her in a way that is best for Buffy. It is hard, but I think it is well meant.

    + The Body
    - Into the Woods

    Real Me - 7
    The Replacement - 5
    Out of My Mind - 7
    No Place Like Home - 8
    Fool for Love - 8
    Listening to Fear - 5
    Into the Woods - 2
    Checkpoint - 6
    Blood Ties - 8
    Crush - 7
    I Was Made to Love You - 5
    The Body - 6
    Forever - 7
    Intervention - 10
    Tough Love - 5
    Spiral - 5
    The Weight of the World - 4
    The Gift - 5


    Reset when these numbers remain:
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    Eliminated:
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    19. Shadow
    20. Family
    21. Triangle
    22. Buffy vs Dracula

    Results:
    Top 3 of season 1: 1st - Prophecy Girl, 2nd - Out of Mind, Out of Sight, 3rd - Nightmares
    Top 3 of season 2: 1st - Becoming Pt 2, 2nd - Passion, 3rd - Lie to Me
    Top 3 of season 3: 1st - The Wish, 2nd - Helpless, 3rd - Lovers Walk
    Top 3 of season 4: 1st - Restless, 2nd - Hush, 3rd Something Blue
    Top 3 of season 5:
    Top 3 of season 6:
    Top 3 of season 7:

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    + The Body
    - The Weight of the World

    Real Me - 7
    The Replacement - 5
    Out of My Mind - 7
    No Place Like Home - 8
    Fool for Love - 8
    Listening to Fear - 5
    Into the Woods - 2
    Checkpoint - 6
    Blood Ties - 8
    Crush - 7
    I Was Made to Love You - 5
    The Body - 7
    Forever - 7
    Intervention - 10
    Tough Love - 5
    Spiral - 5
    The Weight of the World - 3
    The Gift - 5


    Reset when these numbers remain:
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    5

    Eliminated:
    18.
    19. Shadow
    20. Family
    21. Triangle
    22. Buffy vs Dracula

    Results:
    Top 3 of season 1: 1st - Prophecy Girl, 2nd - Out of Mind, Out of Sight, 3rd - Nightmares
    Top 3 of season 2: 1st - Becoming Pt 2, 2nd - Passion, 3rd - Lie to Me
    Top 3 of season 3: 1st - The Wish, 2nd - Helpless, 3rd - Lovers Walk
    Top 3 of season 4: 1st - Restless, 2nd - Hush, 3rd Something Blue
    Top 3 of season 5:
    Top 3 of season 6:
    Top 3 of season 7:

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    + The Gift
    - Into the woods

    Real Me - 7
    The Replacement - 5
    Out of My Mind - 7
    No Place Like Home - 8
    Fool for Love - 8
    Listening to Fear - 5
    Into the Woods - 1
    Checkpoint - 6
    Blood Ties - 8
    Crush - 7
    I Was Made to Love You - 5
    The Body - 7
    Forever - 7
    Intervention - 10
    Tough Love - 5
    Spiral - 5
    The Weight of the World - 3
    The Gift - 6


    Reset when these numbers remain:
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    5

    Eliminated:
    18.
    19. Shadow
    20. Family
    21. Triangle
    22. Buffy vs Dracula

    Results:
    Top 3 of season 1: 1st - Prophecy Girl, 2nd - Out of Mind, Out of Sight, 3rd - Nightmares
    Top 3 of season 2: 1st - Becoming Pt 2, 2nd - Passion, 3rd - Lie to Me
    Top 3 of season 3: 1st - The Wish, 2nd - Helpless, 3rd - Lovers Walk
    Top 3 of season 4: 1st - Restless, 2nd - Hush, 3rd Something Blue
    Top 3 of season 5:
    Top 3 of season 6:
    Top 3 of season 7:


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    + Forever
    - Into the Woods *bye bye*

    Real Me - 7
    The Replacement - 5
    Out of My Mind - 7
    No Place Like Home - 8
    Fool for Love - 8
    Listening to Fear - 5
    Checkpoint - 6
    Blood Ties - 8
    Crush - 7
    I Was Made to Love You - 5
    The Body - 7
    Forever - 8
    Intervention - 10
    Tough Love - 5
    Spiral - 5
    The Weight of the World - 3
    The Gift - 6


    Reset when these numbers remain:
    15
    9
    5

    Eliminated:
    17.
    18. Into the Woods
    19. Shadow
    20. Family
    21. Triangle
    22. Buffy vs Dracula

    Results:
    Top 3 of season 1: 1st - Prophecy Girl, 2nd - Out of Mind, Out of Sight, 3rd - Nightmares
    Top 3 of season 2: 1st - Becoming Pt 2, 2nd - Passion, 3rd - Lie to Me
    Top 3 of season 3: 1st - The Wish, 2nd - Helpless, 3rd - Lovers Walk
    Top 3 of season 4: 1st - Restless, 2nd - Hush, 3rd Something Blue
    Top 3 of season 5:
    Top 3 of season 6:
    Top 3 of season 7:
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    + The Weight of the World
    - Listening to Fear

    Real Me - 7
    The Replacement - 5
    Out of My Mind - 7
    No Place Like Home - 8
    Fool for Love - 8
    Listening to Fear - 4
    Checkpoint - 6
    Blood Ties - 8
    Crush - 7
    I Was Made to Love You - 5
    The Body - 7
    Forever - 8
    Intervention - 10
    Tough Love - 5
    Spiral - 5
    The Weight of the World - 4
    The Gift - 6


    Reset when these numbers remain:
    15
    9
    5

    Eliminated:
    17.
    18. Into the Woods
    19. Shadow
    20. Family
    21. Triangle
    22. Buffy vs Dracula

    Results:
    Top 3 of season 1: 1st - Prophecy Girl, 2nd - Out of Mind, Out of Sight, 3rd - Nightmares
    Top 3 of season 2: 1st - Becoming Pt 2, 2nd - Passion, 3rd - Lie to Me
    Top 3 of season 3: 1st - The Wish, 2nd - Helpless, 3rd - Lovers Walk
    Top 3 of season 4: 1st - Restless, 2nd - Hush, 3rd Something Blue
    Top 3 of season 5:
    Top 3 of season 6:
    Top 3 of season 7:

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    + Intervention
    - I Was Made to Love You

    Real Me - 7
    The Replacement - 5
    Out of My Mind - 7
    No Place Like Home - 8
    Fool for Love - 8
    Listening to Fear - 4
    Checkpoint - 6
    Blood Ties - 8
    Crush - 7
    I Was Made to Love You - 4
    The Body - 7
    Forever - 8
    Intervention - 11
    Tough Love - 5
    Spiral - 5
    The Weight of the World - 4
    The Gift - 6


    Reset when these numbers remain:
    15
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    5

    Eliminated:
    17.
    18. Into the Woods
    19. Shadow
    20. Family
    21. Triangle
    22. Buffy vs Dracula

    Results:
    Top 3 of season 1: 1st - Prophecy Girl, 2nd - Out of Mind, Out of Sight, 3rd - Nightmares
    Top 3 of season 2: 1st - Becoming Pt 2, 2nd - Passion, 3rd - Lie to Me
    Top 3 of season 3: 1st - The Wish, 2nd - Helpless, 3rd - Lovers Walk
    Top 3 of season 4: 1st - Restless, 2nd - Hush, 3rd Something Blue
    Top 3 of season 5:
    Top 3 of season 6:
    Top 3 of season 7:

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    + fool for love
    - listening to fear

    Real Me - 7
    The Replacement - 5
    Out of My Mind - 7
    No Place Like Home - 8
    Fool for Love - 9
    Listening to Fear - 3
    Checkpoint - 6
    Blood Ties - 8
    Crush - 7
    I Was Made to Love You - 4
    The Body - 7
    Forever - 8
    Intervention - 11
    Tough Love - 5
    Spiral - 5
    The Weight of the World - 4
    The Gift - 6


    Reset when these numbers remain:
    15
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    5

    Eliminated:
    17.
    18. Into the Woods
    19. Shadow
    20. Family
    21. Triangle
    22. Buffy vs Dracula

    Results:
    Top 3 of season 1: 1st - Prophecy Girl, 2nd - Out of Mind, Out of Sight, 3rd - Nightmares
    Top 3 of season 2: 1st - Becoming Pt 2, 2nd - Passion, 3rd - Lie to Me
    Top 3 of season 3: 1st - The Wish, 2nd - Helpless, 3rd - Lovers Walk
    Top 3 of season 4: 1st - Restless, 2nd - Hush, 3rd Something Blue
    Top 3 of season 5:
    Top 3 of season 6:
    Top 3 of season 7:


    I like who I am when Im with him. I like who we are together.

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