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    Thread title is pretty self-explanatory.

    Angel
    Season 2. I loved the heavy focus on Angel/Darla, and his 'beige arc' (where that nickname come from, anyway?) provided some of the series' best episodes and fueled its best season.

    Cordy
    Season 1, hands down. She didn't get that much to do during Season 2, and I've never seen a TV show completely ruin a character the way this show ruined Cordy in Seasons 3-4.

    Wesley
    Season 4. Wesley was the best thing about Angel for me. I don't understand Hollywood or the acting game at all, because I'm genuinely stumped as to why Alexis Denisof didn't go on to have a better career after this show. At least with Sarah Michelle Gellar, it was due to bad choices and her being more interested in her personal life, but I haven't a clue with Denisof.

    Gunn
    Season 2. Technically, I think his Season 5 arc was the best. The writers never seemed to know what to do with Gunn in Seasons 3-4, and his decision to stop leading his own crew to become one of Angel's sidekicks in Season 2 was never justified. But he was so fun here, and I loved the Cordy/Wes/Gunn trio.

    Fred
    Season 4, mainly due to "The Magic Bullet", which Amy Acker owned. To be honest, I preferred Illyria though. You have no idea how pissed I was when Illyria showed up and I saw the depth of Amy Acker's acting talent. Made me realize how much the writers wasted Fred and Acker's acting talent by sticking her into lame love triangles for three years.

    Lorne
    Season 2. I remember being extremely intrigued and entertained by his character when watching this season for the first time, and I loved the Caritas set. I think David Greenwalt was one of the weaker writers on the series, but no one was better at writing Lorne than he was. When Greenwalt left, Lorne should have too, because he was really wasted in Seasons 4-5.

    Lilah
    Season 4. Consistently hilarious and her relationship with Wes, in addition to being one of the best ships ever, revealed a lot of depth to her character.

    Darla
    Season 2. I said before that Season 2 was my favorite, and she was the reason why.

    Harmony
    She was only on the show for one season, but I included her to say that I enjoyed her on Angel more than I did on Buffy.

    Drusilla
    Same as Harmony. Dru showing up to sire Darla was one of the best plot twists ever. "The Trial" / "Reunion" was like "Surprise" / "Innocence" in that it was the moment when this show became outstanding television, and Dru was definitely a huge part of it. Gotta to give her her due.

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    I agree with you on almost all of these. The only thing I would disagree with is that I don't think Drusilla was better on Angel, she was amazing in season 2 of BtVS. But she's great in S2 of AtS, too, so it's hard to pick one or the other.

    BTW, while I agree that Cordelia's best season on AtS was season 1, my unpopular opinion is that she was better in BtVS seasons 2 and 3 than on AtS.

    Harmony was better on AtS, though.

    Faith was great whenever she appeared on either show and it's hard to pick one or the other.

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    Wesley
    Season 4. Wesley was the best thing about Angel for me. I don't understand Hollywood or the acting game at all, because I'm genuinely stumped as to why Alexis Denisof didn't go on to have a better career after this show. At least with Sarah Michelle Gellar, it was due to bad choices and her being more interested in her personal life, but I haven't a clue with Denisof.
    Hollywood works in mysterious ways. I've asked myself the same question about many actors - and conversely, there are so many stars that make you wonder 'how the heck did this person become a big star?'

    You have no idea how pissed I was when Illyria showed up and I saw the depth of Amy Acker's acting talent. Made me realize how much the writers wasted Fred and Acker's acting talent by sticking her into lame love triangles for three years.
    So much this.

    But it also doesn't justify the crappy way they killed Fred off to give Amy Acker Illyria to play. They could have instead written Fred better.
    You keep waiting for the dust to settle and then you realize it; the dust is your life going on. If happy comes along - that weird unbearable delight that's actual happy - I think you have to grab it while you can. You take what you can get, 'cause it's here, and then...gone.

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    Yes!! to preferring Illyria to Fred and for relationship fatigue with Fred. I loved Wes, Connor and Angel so much in this series and although I like all of them, seasons 3 and 4 are my favourite.

    Gunn's season 5 was one of my biggest disappointments with the show. I thought that the aspect of his character's insecurities/issues which led him to agreeing to the deal was fascinating and worked really well with the chip on his shoulder that was there from the start. But it felt under explored and I wonder how much more time would have been given to this shift if the network hadn't insisted on Spike being shoved into the cast and him taking so much of the script focus in the final season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TimeTravellingBunny
    I agree with you on almost all of these. The only thing I would disagree with is that I don't think Drusilla was better on Angel, she was amazing in season 2 of BtVS. But she's great in S2 of AtS, too, so it's hard to pick one or the other.

    BTW, while I agree that Cordelia's best season on AtS was season 1, my unpopular opinion is that she was better in BtVS seasons 2 and 3 than on AtS.
    Yeah, Dru was probably better on Buffy simply because she had more screen time and more to do. But on the other hand, she made such an impression on Angel during those 2 episodes I mention that I can't help but feel she would have been even better on there if she had stuck around more during the season like Darla did. "Reunion" is easily my favorite episode for Drusilla, followed by "Surprise". Juliet Landau is another actor I feel was underrated. I was never not fascinated whenever she was on-screen.

    On Cordy, I agree with you on Buffy Season 2 being the best for her character, but I don't think did enough in Season 3 for me to rate it over her showing in Angel Season 1. Cordy's development was honestly my favorite thing about the first season. She was the heart of the series during Seasons 1 and 2, and I can't imagine the show working without her during those seasons. It's a shame she ends up becoming the worst thing about the series in Seasons 3 and 4.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stoney
    Yes!! to preferring Illyria to Fred and for relationship fatigue with Fred. I loved Wes, Connor and Angel so much in this series and although I like all of them, seasons 3 and 4 are my favourite.
    Oops, I forgot about Connor! I enjoyed his character a great deal when he first showed up in Season 3 (as a teenager, that is), but then in Season 4 he started to bug me. As Vincent Kartheiser said, he would show up, have a scene with Cordelia, fight with Angel and then do the same thing each episode. It got repetitive quite fast, I'm afraid. However, I did enjoy his character a great deal towards the end of Season 4 during the Jasmine arc. That's when he really blossomed. His monologue to comatose-Cordy in the church scene broke my heart, as well as pretty much all of "Home". Kartheiser is another actor in the shows that I felt was underrated. I had some problems with Connor's character, but his performance was always excellent.

    Love Wes, too. Angel, on the other hand, I don't love. I think he's extremely unlikeable (especially in Seasons 4-5), but I can't deny he's a compelling protagonist and he really blossomed on this series.

    I'm glad you both share my disappointment with Fred. It's funny that Buffy is known for being one of the most feminist TV shows ever, but its spinoff is definitely one of the most un-feminist TV shows ever. Season 5 has to be the worst television season I've ever seen for female characters. As much as I love Illyria (she saved Season 5, which sucked for the first two-thirds IMO; most overrated season ever), it pisses me off to no end when I see "A Hole in the World" on lists of the series' best episodes. Despite the great performances, it just feels like melodramatic, sexist, torture porn for me.

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    * The problem with AtS, is so much of AtS s1 through AtS s4 can/is because of Jasmine.


    * Spike, Andrew Wells, and Illyria are the ones who show much of any character growth in AtS S5. Cordelia Chase (if that was actually her) pretty much deludes herself if she considers she's the love of Angel's life.


    * Wesley Wyndam-Pryyce got better in AtS and Alexis Denisof proved a better actor than Anthony Stewart Head and possibly a better choice to play Giles than ASH. AtS S5 would have been better had Wesley been with Lilah Morgan. His relationship with Fred lessened him.


    * Angel became a different character in AtS. Suddenly, he's funny. Suddenly, he wasn't moping for 100 years. His flashbacks make Angelus seem much less formidable and scary than he's shown BtVS. His flashbacks make Cursed Angel seem much more evil than what BtVS S1-BtVS S3 suggested/implied/inferred.


    * Cordelia Chase was ruined. It's implied she was sleeping around trying to get acting jobs. She gets impregnated with demon spawn. The visions force her importance. Hers becoming half-demon and more powerful than Buffy is insulting to Buffy. Hers becoming a higher being is insulting to everyone in BtVS. And it's only made better in "Inside Out" (A 4.17).


    * Fred is probably all because of Jasmine and then she's simply a tool for Illyria in AtS S5 and then is no more than Illyria takes over (discounting post-Season 9).


    * Lorne is mostly just there also likely because of Jasmine. He's mostly just there in AtS S5.


    * Darla is simply a tool for Wolfram and Hart and Jasmine.


    * Drusilla was simply in AtS s2 to boost AtS's ratings. The only notable things are she sires Darla and Wolfram and Hart do nothing against her.


    * Faith instead of being a Slayer goes to prison.


    * Buffy never has a good Season and in fact is the only BtVS character made to look bad in AtS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeB View Post
    * The problem with AtS, is so much of AtS s1 through AtS s4 can/is because of Jasmine.
    I never believed that. The whole 'Jasmine planned everything' retcon reeks of desperation on the writers' part to cover their tracks for the sloppy plotting of Season 4. Jasmine's apocalypse plan honestly made very little sense throughout the season, and Lorne's comment -- "I think the Beastmaster is just making it up as he goes along" -- seemed to be a very meta-line about the writers making up Season 4 as they went long. It's very easy for me to believe that Skip, such an unreliable source of information, was either lying or that Jasmine was so full of herself that she simply told Skip told that. IMO, Jasmine was an opportunist. She saw the birth of Connor, and knew Cordelia was linked to the Powers That Be, so she decided to use both of those factors to plan her move to take over Earth. But she did not cause those factors to happen.

    And if everything that happened on Angel Seasons 1-4 was because of Jasmine, then who's to say the events of Buffy Seasons 1-3 (or even, Seasons 4-7) weren't due to Jasmine either? It's just a sloppy retcon that completely undermines the show. It basically feels like nothing that happens on the show matters if it was all due to Jasmine. "Doyle overcame his self-hatred and sacrificed himself for his demon race? Well, that was due to Jasmine, so it doesn't matter. Cordy became more heroic because of her visions? Well, that was due to Jasmine, so it doesn't matter. Darla learned to love and sacrificed herself to give Connor life? Well, that was due to Jasmine, so it doesn't matter." Cheap narrative trick, with no hints beforehand or substantial evidence at all to imply that it was true.

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    * Cordelia Chase was ruined. It's implied she was sleeping around trying to get acting jobs. She gets impregnated with demon spawn. The visions force her importance. Hers becoming half-demon and more powerful than Buffy is insulting to Buffy. Hers becoming a higher being is insulting to everyone in BtVS. And it's only made better in "Inside Out" (A 4.17).
    It was never implied that Cordelia was sleeping around for acting jobs. In "City Of", Cordelia -- in a moment of desperation -- reluctantly asks Russell Winters what he wants her to do, implying that she's sunk so low in her self-esteem/funk that she's agreeing to become his prostitute, but she quickly bounces back from that and there's nothing to indicate that she ever slept around for acting jobs before or after that instance.
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    Hey! I never posted that Cordelia Chase was sleeping around trying to get acting jobs, that was MikeB.

    EDIT: who posted that statement I mean, not who was sleeping around trying to get acting jobs!
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    Whoops! Sorry, Stoney, it's fixed.

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