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    The first review is up.It's spoilerish so I'm opening the thread.The issue is out this coming Wed(along with the new issue of Angel).

    Comic Review: Buffy Season 11 #8

    ByNat Brehmer
    - June 16, 2017

    Faith is back! After losing her position as a co-lead when Angel & Faith reverted back to Angel, I wasn’t sure what was going to happen to a character I was used to seeing in the spotlight. She hadn’t made an appearance yet in either Season 11 title until popping up halfway through this issue. In general, this feels like the beginning of the climax for this season’s story arc. That’s a little surprising, too, considering the fact that there are only four issues left.

    At the beginning, we’ve got Buffy and Willow struggling to come to terms with their loss of power. The focus is a little more heavily geared toward Buffy, which is smart as Willow got a lot of that focus when she went through something similar in season 9. Buffy even goes out and tries to do some good despite her loss of power and, in a neat twist, actually does manage to take the guy down. The problem is that once she gets him on the ground, she can’t stop herself. She realizes she could kill this guy with her bare hands.

    That’s something that Buffy has always dealt with. As good as she is, she’s the slayer, and she’s long contemplated how close that is to being a killer. This was a particular focus in the episodes “Bad Girls” and “Dead Things.” In that respect, it’s the perfect time for Faith to make a return to the comics.

    Also making an important appearance are Riley and his wife, Sam. It’s a relief to know that Riley is still on the side of the angels—so to speak—given that his motivations were very unclear the last time he and Buffy spoke. He’s been working on a larger plan with Buffy and Willow, one that they can’t even tell Xander and Dawn about for fear of endangering them.

    Faith, too, has also reached a good point with Riley that allows him not only to trust her enough now to ask for her help, but for her to come when asked as well. As great as these return appearances are, it’s kind of amazing enough just to see Xander and Dawn again after several issues without them. The focus has been on Buffy, Willow and Spike—who doesn’t actually appear in this issue, funny enough—for so long that it’s nice to get the gang back together and watch them finally come up with a plan to bring this whole thing down.

    Even if we, the readers, aren’t quite sure what that is yet. I’m on board. It doesn’t look like the plan will be too effective, though, considering that there are still a few issues left. I’m sold simply on the fact that the comic is returning to form, that even powerless Buffy and Willow are taking matters into their own hands and fighting the good fight, and that Faith is back to lend her help to whatever it is that they’re doing.

    This is a strong, tightly plotted issue. Rebekah Isaacs continues to crush the art. As much as it sets up larger stakes and gets the wheels moving in terms of the overall plot, the focus is very clearly on the characters, first and foremost. And that’s what I’ve always loved about Buffy.


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    Another enjoyable issue. I was glad the possibility Riley/Sam were intending to help further on the outside was true. And I like that Buffy's feelings about her beat up on the guy in the park were so mixed and confusing for her. I think this was a real strength in this issue and is definitely a scene I'd like to read over again. I think it was a great way to show both her intrinsic 'self' and her sense of a loss of identity all at once. It was a shame her jumbled emotions were moved past by the weakest part of the issue for me. The whole thing of Sam's 'clever' manipulation of Buffy/Willow really stood out as a moment of awkwardly weak writing/characterisations. It was just too clichéd and blatant, just a poor prompt to use for pushing Buffy back into a 'can do' attitude for me.

    A jumble of other thoughts.. I absolutely loved Faith's entrance and I adore Rebekah's depiction of her, probably my favourite character artwork from RI, so I was delighted to see her again. I doubt this will be the last we will see of Calliope, but I liked the use of her here for the very thing that Willow had raised in camp with her, how different things could seem when out again. How distinctly Calliope separates the two isn't the same as we are seeing for our gang who live in the supernatural world in a more complete/consistent sense. This also linked in with the wiccan the guy was speaking to in the park and his conversation with Buffy before the fight. How separate or innate are the connections people have and how subjective the perception of this can be to individuals and those observing. Fundamentally you could always choose ways to judge and withdraw from accepting/understanding others if you apply prejudice. For our gang certainly, removing their powers doesn't separate them from what is happening still, and not just because Spike is still in there, but for them all on individual levels too and because they are considering the wider implications and taking a stance/responsibility. It follows really nicely from the nods to responsibility and power we had in the last issue and linked with the meaning surrounding the scythe. I was pleased they acknowledged the risk to Dawn of the magic draining, but wasn't surprised at her reluctance to being told to leave. Shame we have heard no more about the Giles mini so far.

    It's very much a piece of the whole this one. I've have nothing else to add from my first read other than it is going to be another frustrating month waiting to get to the next instalment. Very interested to see how the end face off with the camp slayers will go down.
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    Agree with Stoney that it was a solid issue and an enjoyable read. Buffy and Willow had their own separate challenges fitting themselves into "ordinary" lives and I liked how they were able to fall back on their non-supernatural abilities, such as Buffy's actual martial arts training and Willow's computer skills.

    Buffy's meltdown over the guy in the park was interesting. We've seen her out of control aggressive before in "Dead Things", so she is capable of it with or without her powers if pushed too far, but her reaction to beating up another human being is definitely more extreme than anything we saw with regards to Spike all those years ago. It plays again into the moral dilemma that's been discussed before with regards to what is permissible violence when directed against demons as opposed to humans. It almost felt to me that the comic even addressed the issues we've had with the new oppressed and victimized demons when Buffy admits to Sam that she's kind of having her feelings all muddied herself and cannot really rationalize it all. She seems to be a bit of a mouthpiece for the writers and the corner they've backed themselves into when they started to ask the readers to feel compassion for certain non-violent demons this season.

    I also loved the artwork introducing Faith. Sam and Riley were nice likenesses, and I enjoyed the fact that Rebeccah can always draw goofy Buffy or angry Buffy or beat-up Buffy and still keep her quintessentially herself. It's not easy to put extremes like that on a face and still maintain a good likeness. I also like the fact that with Calliope we for once get a positive character who is not either reed-thin or super athletic. Makes a nice change of pace from your usual comic art where all the girls always have to be pin-up material.

    I also enjoyed the cliff-hanger a lot. This time I will be checking my calendar for the sequel to find out how things go down...
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    Great issue!

    A powerless Buffy is challenged by a (very big) jerk and she handles it well, but not without some injuries that now will take some time to heal… and her own overblown reaction – she almost killed the man after neutralizing him – took Buffy by surprise and horrified her; he’s human, after all, and she has never gotten so violent with people who cannot fight back, she has never showed such rage. That’s because she felt for the first time (as she herself explains) how she got near to be killed in such a trivial (for her) fight. But she can’t or doesn’t want to delve more in this issue:

    Sam: How is that different from every time you fight a monster, or some whacked-out cultist?

    Buffy: It just is. I don’t have to justify my feelings to you.

    Willow and Calliope met by chance – when the girl is going to the movies with her girlfriend; Calliope’s feelings were really more about her situation in the camp, and not about Willow, it seems, and I get that. But it’s sad. However, they’re being watched by drones… so there’s hope that Calliope was just being overly cautious and fearful, not wanting to show much love to a person despised by the Government…

    Yeah, Riley and Sam are back – and they are team Scooby once again. I had said before “at this point of his life, Riley should know better, and not follow the party line so easily. Or, he is, again, an ally who can work from the inside and help Buffy and Co.” I was suspicious of him, and I’m glad that I was wrong, but I think he should leave the army for good - because if he always is discontent with their policies (although being in the right both times)… he should leave the institution.

    Riley and Sam are also ready to take Dawn and Xander out of the country (with fake passports), because without magic, Dawn will disappear (it almost happened in Season 9). But Dawn is now a big girl, and can decide for herself when it’s time to leave - and she just won’t.

    Spike isn’t in this issue, but he calls and he and Buffy talk.

    Riley, Sam, Buffy and Willow have a plan, but they don’t share with Xander and Dawn - and neither with us. So Riley, with Buffy and Willow’s approval, sends a message, which gets things going. To help them to put their mysterious plan in motion, behold, Faith comes: she’s been asked by Riley to help. The Slayer arrives destroying some drones, which puts “the brass” on alert.

    It’s time: Buffy gives the Scythe to Faith – since she can barely stand its weight - and they leave the apartment to break in the Safe Zone (with the help of Willow’s computer skills). They succeed to reach the room where the Power Drainer machine is, but Jordan and crew are ready, waiting for them…

    Obs.: The cats are well and thriving, Xander and Dawn are taking good care of them!

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