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    Default 3.07 "The Bear and the Maiden Fair" episode discussion thread

    Awww, show! Just when I start complaining about you, you deliver an excellent episode like this one. The show was back with a vengeance this week, not a single scene that was boring, I even liked Bran's scene this week. The only negative thing I can say about this week's episode is enough with the Theon torture porn already! We get it, Theon's torturer is a cruel and evil sadist, do we really need to see this every week? But other than that, I completely loved "The Bear and The Maiden Fair".

    I'm so beyond happy that they kept the bear scene almost exactly like it was described in the book. Anyone saying that Jaime is not changing and is not becoming a better man has clearly not been paying attention. The Jaime and Brienne scenes were once again stellar in this episode, my favourite one being when Jaime swore to Brienne that he would return the Stark girls to their mother and Brienne said "Goodbye, Ser Jaime". So many emotions flitted across Jaime's face in that moment, it was a joy to watch! You could tell how much it meant to Jaime that he has won the respect of Brienne who has such high standards when it comes to honour. And he did not disappoint her, he validated the trust she had placed in him by saving her from the bear and Locke and his men. Btw how scary was that bear? Jaime jumping in without a weapon and only one good arm, that's valor for you right there. I also loved that he told Qyburn that he had saved half a million people (i.e. the population of King's Landing) because he truly has. And I'm glad that despite all the tragedy lately he hasn't lost his snark as evidenced by his parting line to Locke. So unsurprisingly, the Jaime and Brienne scenes were once again my favourites. These two really rock this season, their arc, the chemistry, the great acting, so well done.

    Dany was great again this week as well. Although I'm kinda torn when it comes to her storyline. On the one hand, I think her endeavour to free every slave she comes across is noble and makes her a great heroine. But on the other hand, I really wanted her to take those ships the Yunkai'i offered her so she can finally sail to Westeros. I loved how she casually fed her dragons to intimidate the ambassador from Yunkai, that was awesome! The dragons are not that cuddly anymore so it was kinda cute when she petted Drogon at the end of that scene and he purred like a cat. I guess Dany's desire to free all slaves must be rather awkward for Ser Jorah, given that he has once traded slaves.

    Oh Sansa, you are such a naive idiot sometimes! Yeah right, Margaery learned all the sex stuff from her mother. I did like that Margaery continues to be a friend to Sansa and even tried to make her realise that being married to Tyrion won't be that bad. Of course Margaery is much less ruled by her emotions and is much cleverer and more cunning so all the arguments she listed in Tyrion's favour are not necessarily gonna convince Sansa. I get that she doesn't want to marry him because he is a Lannister, she has a valid reason there. Her "he's a dwarf" line is perfectly in character since Sansa was always rather superficial when it comes to looks. Which is also the reason why she is so infatuated with Loras of course. However, Tyrion even though he is a Lannister might actually make for a better husband than Loras because he actually likes women.

    I was a bit surprised that Melisandre and Gendry sailed so close to King's Landing. Isn't that rather dangerous, Melisandre being an ally of Stannis and all? Oh well, I guess they were only passing through and their end destination is somewhere else. I'm glad though that Melisandre told Gendry about his lineage so that he finally knows now that he is King Robert's son. Her "there's power in a king's blood" line was rather ominous though. Poor Gendry, I cannot imagine that Melisandre is up to something good.

    Shae was understandably upset about Tyrion's impending marriage. Also, I think she sees the situation much more realistically than Tyrion does, especially with respect to any potential children. Seeing Tyrion give her the golden chains (book 3 and beyond spoilers)
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    was kinda creepy, especially given what a significant role they play later on. I also wondered whether Tyrion's comment about juggling in Essos was some kind of foreshadowing to his role in A Dance With Dragons.


    The scene between Tywin and Joffrey was great! It was so sweet to see Tywin tower over Joffrey and Joffrey visibly backing away. Joffrey may be a cruel, evil idiot but at least he has enough sense to be afraid of his grandfather. As much as I hate Joffrey, he did have one valid point though: shouldn't they be more afraid of Dany and her dragons? Tywin was a bit cavalier here, let's hope this will come to bite him in the ass!

    Jon Snow and Ygritte keep making me happy with their lovely dynamic and witty banter! I laughed out loud when Ygritte asked why girls would faint at the sight of blood. You go, wildling girl! And she had a valid point, girls really do see more blood than boys. Also, when Jon Snow said that he wanted to rip a silk dress off of Ygritte, that was very sexy.

    Speaking of sexy: nice to see some Robb and Talisa love scenes! And now Talisa is pregnant, good for them. Book 3 spoilers:
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    Seeing them so happy here, just starting a family and their lives together, is very bittersweet though, knowing what's coming. You should never be too happy in this universe because then horrible things will happen.


    Arya and the Hound are together now! I was hoping that it would happen in this week's episode and when she ran away from the Brotherhood Without Banners and into the woods I knew that this was the moment when he would capture her. So looking forward to their scenes together, I'm sure they will be a highlight in next week's episode.

    What did you guys think of "The Bear and the Maiden Fair"?

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    The Theon stuff is hard to take (then again, it was hard to take in the book as well... albeit it was A Dance with Dragons rather than A Storm of Swords).

    The CGI on Dany's dragons was pretty interesting. The dragons come off as velociraptors!

    The Jaime/Brienne and Bart the Bear stuff was quite good.

    And I enjoyed the slower scenes giving us some character information.

    And, no Sansa, you aren't stupid, you're just naive. Seventeen year olds should be allowed a bit of naivate... unfortunately for her she can't afford it.
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    Another great episode, penned by GRRM himself, which gives it all the more weight, I think.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cori View Post
    The only negative thing I can say about this week's episode is enough with the Theon torture porn already! We get it, Theon's torturer is a cruel and evil sadist, do we really need to see this every week?
    I agree. I assume that the torture storyline has some kind of payoff later in the show, but I daresay that we do not need a weekly reminder that Theon is cruelly maimed. I will admit, though, that the torture was psychologically especially cruel, as Theon was sensually reminded of his sexual proclivities only to have the ability to have sex taken from him forever. I am sure that Theon will never again be the person he was before he fell into the hands of his torturer. Still, I really wished the writers would put the scenes into some kind of context.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cori View Post
    So unsurprisingly, the Jaime and Brienne scenes were once again my favourites. These two really rock this season, their arc, the chemistry, the great acting, so well done.
    I have to agree. While S1 was Ned's season and S2 was Tyrion's season, I think S3 is Jaime and Brienne's season. I truly despised Jaime in S1/2 but I think his redemption arc in S3 has been exceptional. In the earlier seasons there have been some hints that Jaime has the capacity for goodness - Tyrion himself stated that Jaime was the only one in his family who ever showed him kindness growing up and Jaime's love for Cersei always came off as genuine - and I love how that spark was kindled into a flame by Brienne. The Jaime who sacrifices his own safety to save Brienne is not the same man who pushed Bran out of a window. It will be interesting to see the reunion between Jaime and his family. Will he fall back into his old patterns once he is under the influence of Cersei and Tywin again or is the change in him permanent? I can't wait to find out!

    Quote Originally Posted by Cori View Post
    The scene between Tywin and Joffrey was great! It was so sweet to see Tywin tower over Joffrey and Joffrey visibly backing away. Joffrey may be a cruel, evil idiot but at least he has enough sense to be afraid of his grandfather.
    Definitely one of the best scenes of the entire episode. I love that moment where Joffrey complains about having to climb the stairs in the Hand's tower to attend the council meetings and Tywin calmly takes the steps up to Joffrey's throne and tells him that they can arrange for him to be carried. It's amazing how he asserts his dominance and superiority over Joffrey with such a simple gesture. It really emphasises that, ultimately, Joffrey's power is nominal and that Tywin is the true ruler of the kingdoms.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cori View Post
    Jon Snow and Ygritte keep making me happy with their lovely dynamic and witty banter! I laughed out loud when Ygritte asked why girls would faint at the sight of blood. You go, wildling girl! And she had a valid point, girls really do see more blood than boys.
    I really like that the episode highlights the changing power dynamics between Ygritte and Jon. Beyond the wall, Ygritte had the upper hand; she knew how the life in the wilderness worked and she was able to teach Jon the ways of the wildlings. But now that they are on Jon's territory, her signature phrase: 'You know nothing, Jon Snow' no longer holds true, and I think that throws her. It will be interesting to see how this confident young woman will adapt to a situation in which she is on unfamiliar ground.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cori View Post
    Arya and the Hound are together now! I was hoping that it would happen in this week's episode and when she ran away from the Brotherhood Without Banners and into the woods I knew that this was the moment when he would capture her. So looking forward to their scenes together, I'm sure they will be a highlight in next week's episode.
    I am excited about that turn of events as well! It's such an unlikely pairing! I am not sure the Hound will have the upper hand here. By the way, that moment where Arya tells the leader of the Brotherhood without Banners that the god she prays to is death gave me the chills. I expected her to answer that she prays to the old gods, in honor of her father, but her answer makes perfect sense and really drives home how much Arya has changed. I am really looking forward to seeing her further development.
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    Quote Originally Posted by galathea View Post
    Another great episode, penned by GRRM himself, which gives it all the more weight, I think.
    I just wish he'd focus on the 6th book! I worry he won't finish the series.. he's not exactly young.. or healthy!

    Such a great episode. I loved every bit of it

    I loved Jamie and Brienne parting, it was the first time she didn't call him 'Kingslayer' and he vowed to keep her promise and return Arya and Sansa. I think she's probably the first person he's been able to be completely honest to, and just be himself. Brienne and the bear was just exactly right! Jamie going back for her was brilliant! For a second I worried he'd lose a foot as well as a hand! Just perfect

    Dany was brilliant. 'My dragons made no such promise and you just threatened their mother'

    Joffrey's face as Tywin climbed the steps to the iron throne.. changed from arrogant little boy king to scared child He wants to be kept informed but not go to the small council meetings, even before they moved to the tower of the hand!

    Getting a bit fed up with Shae, she seems to forget that she's just a whore, it's not like many whores marry lords!! Oh and Theon.. well it's not like he didn't deserve that but come on, the naked girls first.. come on show it's not all about sex. /sigh

    I'm really enjoying Margery and Sansa's friendship! Hopefully Margery will teach Sansa a bit about the world. Sansa is always so naive about everything!

    Oh and in case people think I hate all scenes in the show that aren't in the book they are wrong.. Melisandre and Gendry sailing by King's Landing and her telling him his father was King Robert was brilliant

    Loved Jon and Ygritte great banter between the pair of them

    Arya and the Hound! Yay! That's going to make for some great scenes

    It was really nice seeing Rob finding out that he's going to be a father. Although it's weird that they changed it so that Talisa is from the East and not the West.. book 3 major spoiler
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    I thought the only reason she was spared was because she was from Lannisport..?


    I can't believe we are already so close to the end of the season

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    Has anyone counted how many times someone says 'You know nothing Jon Snow' is said during this show? Or 'You're not as clever as you think you are'? It feels like a lot. If Jon and Ygritte go on like this too much longer, I'm going to have to fast forward through their scenes. Please tell me one or both of them die soon?

    Joffrey's fear in the face of his grandfather is nice to see. He's realising he has no actual power and his grandfather makes all the decisions. Not sure he's capable of doing anything about it. Think these are my favourite Lannisters, though I am happy they both die eventually. I did enjoy Jaime going back for Brienne, but mainly because of that bear. #FreeTheBear!

    Dany turning down gold and ships to free the slaves of Yunkai is inspiring. She has to have the purest heart of all those fighting for the throne.

    Why doesn't Tyrion run away with Shay? If he loves her so much, why don't they just leave the city, find a nice little inn to run and settle down to married life? He wants power and money as much as anyone I think, more than he really wants love. It's as Bronn says, he can't admit what he really wants because then people wouldn't like him so much.

    Theon's torture was too much. It's been going on for so long, will it last the whole season or longer? I can't stand much more of it.

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