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    The actual numbers aren't so bad (as The Beat speculated)

    Top 300 Comics Actual--March 2012

    70 - 22.69 - BTVS SEASON 9 FREEFALL #7 - 29,135

    104 - 13.89 - ANGEL & FAITH #8 - 17,829
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koos View Post
    True, but it is decreasing rapidly. I wonder how much copies they need to sell in order to make it still profitable enough.
    Others have alluded to this, but let me spell it out. At #5, DH made their comics available digitally the same day they were released in the stores. I quit buying in the store when that happened. I think many others did as well. The numbers you are looking at don't include digital sales and they *should* be declining to reflect people like me who switched formats.

    I'm not saying all is well. But the numbers you are looking at no longer tell us much of anything about the financial state of the franchise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maggie View Post
    Others have alluded to this, but let me spell it out. At #5, DH made their comics available digitally the same day they were released in the stores. I quit buying in the store when that happened. I think many others did as well. The numbers you are looking at don't include digital sales and they *should* be declining to reflect people like me who switched formats.
    I realized that later on. Apparently those lists are worthless now, when they don't take into a account all sales.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ubi4soft View Post
    The actual numbers aren't so bad (as The Beat speculated)

    Top 300 Comics Actual--March 2012

    70 - 22.69 - BTVS SEASON 9 FREEFALL #7 - 29,135

    104 - 13.89 - ANGEL & FAITH #8 - 17,829
    Are you sure about those numbers?
    Because what I see on that link is

    70 22.69 BTVS SEASON 9 FREEFALL #7 $2.99 DAR 28,908

    104 13.89 ANGEL & FAITH #8 $2.99 DAR 17,690

    They change them? I went to Diamond's site, but the list is not posted yet.


    Apparently those lists are worthless now
    They are not worthless. Those list have NEVER showed the actual sales. They estimate the sales, based on what the retailers order. And only what has been ordered through the Diamond system. It has always been like that. And DH is not the only company that offers digital, all of them do.

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    Ha, they definitely changed the list. Gage happy tweeted earlier that A&F #8 had higher orders than #6 (which isn't the case now with these new numbers).

    Also nice to see ANGEL & FAITH #7 and 8 ordered in higher numbers than #6. Unusual in this market. Very happy that people are digging it.
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    Well according to CBR, here is the order
    http://www.comicbookresources.com/?p...ticle&id=38063


    70 22.69 BtVS S9 #7 28,911 (#6=29,874) -963 -3.22%

    104 13.89 A&F #8 17,692 (#7=17,850) -158 -0.89%

    So retailers' orders for Buffy dropped by 963 copies, which is a drop of 3.22%
    and for A&F they dropped 158 copies, which is a drop of 0.89%
    comparing to February.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zianna View Post
    Well according to CBR, here is the order
    http://www.comicbookresources.com/?p...ticle&id=38063


    70 22.69 BtVS S9 #7 28,911 (#6=29,874) -963 -3.22%

    104 13.89 A&F #8 17,692 (#7=17,850) -158 -0.89%

    So retailers' orders for Buffy dropped by 963 copies, which is a drop of 3.22%
    and for A&F they dropped 158 copies, which is a drop of 0.89%
    comparing to February.
    But these numbers don't include digital downloads. Is there any way to extrapolate those figures from these numbers?

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    The link is there for a reason, to be clicked.
    There are a couple of things to keep in mind when reading this data. These numbers are just estimates for the sales through Diamond to direct market retailers. It does not include any sales outside of the Diamond channel such as newstands, book stores or overseas markets. Since the majority of habitual comic book readers are served through this sales channel, these numbers are a good indicator of the core sales trends at the retail level. While not all copies will sell to readers, each retailer is buying what they think they can sell so the trends at the retail level should be a close enough reflection of the sales trends at the reader level for the purposes of discussion.

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    Top 300 Comics Actual--April 2012 (assuming these are the final numbers)

    http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/22842.html

    74 - 22.07 - BTVS SEASON 9 FREEFALL #8 - 28,830

    108 - 13.47 - ANGEL & FAITH #9 - 17,590
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    * I consider Joss’ relative lack of involvement in BtVS S9 to be the main reason for the declining sales; that, and people buying the digital copies and/or TPBs.




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    Whoa there MikeB. What's with the excuses? I remember a few months back how you were saying that Drusilla would be used to boost the sales of the A&F series like she was some kind of secret weapon that would bring numbers by her mere pressence in the book.

    I predicted that the numbers would continue to drop like normal, because that's typcal of comic book sales.

    The continuing drop in sales has nothing to do with audiences reacting bad to Drusilla being sane or being an "Angel apologist", the sales are
    dropping because that's what comic book sales do.

    Drusilla is a great character, but she's not the money-generating, crowd-attracting weapon you think she is.
    Um, I said that she would likely increase sales over what they otherwise would have been were she not in it. She was the singular highlight of the ‘Daddy’ arc.



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    Gage happy tweeted earlier that A&F #8 had higher orders than #6 (which isn't the case now with these new numbers).

    Also nice to see ANGEL & FAITH #7 and 8 ordered in higher numbers than #6. Unusual in this market. Very happy that people are digging it.
    So, apparently Dru did increase the sales!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeB View Post
    So, apparently Dru did increase the sales!
    Unfortunately only for A&F #7.

    Top 300 Comics Actual--May 2012
    http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/23103.html

    94 - 20.97 - BTVS SEASON 9 FREEFALL #9 - 28,229
    143 - 12.78 - ANGEL & FAITH #10 - 17,206

    By the next month I think Buffy will drop out from Top 100

    * I consider Joss’ relative lack of involvement in BtVS S9 to be the main reason for the declining sales;
    Or the stories simply don't engage the readers

    that, and people buying the digital copies and/or TPBs.
    Digital is faster (and for me cheaper without shipping costs, I do have all Buffy printed issues up to #7) and I've read for free with Net Galley the first A&F TP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeB
    Um, I said that she would likely increase sales over what they otherwise would have been were she not in it. She was the singular highlight of the ‘Daddy’ arc.
    Its seems like you're weaseling out of this Mike. How do you know what the sales would have otherwise been?

    I'm going to now make a claim that has just as much basis in provable fact as yours: The highlight of this latest arc was the Lorophange demon. That guy was awesome! Without the Lorophange demon, the "Daddy" arc would have sold zero copies. So even though though the sales figures are continuing to decline, the presence of the Lorophange demon made can be thanked for 100% of the sales. Without the Lorophange demon, this particular arc would have sold no copies.

    So, apparently Dru did increase the sales!
    Those aren't the figures that have been posted in this thread. Even if its true that the figures of #8 sold better than #6 (haven't seen any numbers to back this claim up) its still an assumption that's because of Drusilla. And even if it WAS because of Drusilla, I'd still find it highly doubtful that her issues sold better than the first few arcs that she didn't appear in. Or that they sold better than the first few issues of "After the Fall" for that matter.

    EDIT: posted before I saw ubisoft's post. And yeah, the improved sales were only for one issue, they don't appear to have jumped significantly and the improved sales could be attributed to any number of things.

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    Top 300 Comics Actual--June 2012
    http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/23332.html

    130 - 12.78 - ANGEL & FAITH #11 - 17,044

    89 - 21.39 - BTVS SEASON 9 FREEFALL #10 - 27,867
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    Let me suggest the "red line" is about 18K monthly, which was what then Buffy tie in comic was selling during the shows run. Both A&F and Buffy are above that ...for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ubi4soft View Post
    Digital is faster (and for me cheaper without shipping costs, I do have all Buffy printed issues up to #7) and I've read for free with Net Galley the first A&F TP.
    But of course they do also benefit with people like me who don't want to wait to see the latest issue so they get the 'faster' digital sale but I also want the hard copy so I buy both for BtVS. I only get the hard copy for A&F as I'm happy to wait but will, without question, get both for the Spike mini.

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    Sales are pretty steady the last five issues, especially considering the loss of Spike and Willow from the title + robot.


    JULY# 11
    B<uffy>#<rank>83 <sales>27,389 AF#130 <s>16,656
    JUNE #10
    B#89 <s>27,867 AF#130 <s>17,044
    MAY #9
    B#94 <s>28,229 AF#143 <s>17,206
    APRIL #8
    B#74 <s>28,830 AF#108 <s>17,590
    March #7
    B#70 <s>28,908 AF#104 <s>17,690
    February #6
    B#68 <s>29,878 AF#113 <s>17,852
    Janruary #5
    B#63 <s>30,146 AF#106 <s>17,800
    Dec#4
    B#61 <s>31,157 AF#113 <s>18,356
    Nov#3
    B#64 <s> 33,485 AF#117 <s>18,855
    Oct#2
    B#64<s> 36,448 AF#119 <s>19,437
    September #1
    B#52 <s>42,945 AF#109<s> 20,473
    August AF#1
    AF#104 <s>22,813

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    Spike was only missing from the last one and a lot of fans may have bought to see if there was any fall out. Personally, because both Spike and Willow are still out there doing something and are due to come back (eventually), I'm not convinced their temporary shifts will have too much of an impact as fans still want to see how they fit in overall. If they announced they weren't returning then that I would expect to impact.

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    I am convinced people pick up a comic (series) quickly and drop it slowly.

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    Buffy has dropped to No 97,
    Spike's #1 has sold more than A&F's, Spike is at No 131 while A&F is at No 146.

    Of course we must consider the fact that Spike's was a new title, and usually #1 sells much more than #2. Next month we'll know better about Spike's actual sales, not just orders.

    http://www.newsarama.com/comics/augu...es-charts.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoney View Post
    But of course they do also benefit with people like me who don't want to wait to see the latest issue so they get the 'faster' digital sale but I also want the hard copy so I buy both for BtVS. I only get the hard copy for A&F as I'm happy to wait but will, without question, get both for the Spike mini.
    Yes as I've said to you before. I am a sucker for hard copies of things. Digital may be efficient but nothing beats something you own and can actually hold. I will most likely be buying all the volumes of Buffy season 8 and 9 and even Spike.

    I really want to get Volume 2 of season 8 and 9 right now but I cant because

    A. I'm broke
    B. Volume 2 of 9 isnt out till xmas


    oh I could ask for it for xmas!
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