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    Default Estimate sales of Season 9

    104 – 44.07 - angel & faith #1 steve morris cvr 22,813
    109 – 10.87 - angel & faith #2 - 20,473
    119 – 11.27 - angel & faith #3 - 19,437
    117 – 12.49 - angel & faith #4 – 18,855
    113 - 13.72 - angel & faith #5 - 18,356


    52 – 22.79 - btvs season 9 freefall #1 - 42,945
    64 – 21.14 - btvs season 9 freefall #2 - 36,448
    64 – 22.18 - btvs season 9 freefall #3 – 33,485
    61 - 23.29 - btvs season 9 freefall #4 - 31,157
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    Quote Originally Posted by ubi4soft View Post
    104 - ANGEL & FAITH #1 STEVE MORRIS CVR 22,813
    109 - ANGEL & FAITH #2 - 20,473
    119 - ANGEL & FAITH #3 - 19,437

    52 - BTVS SEASON 9 FREEFALL #1 - 42,945
    64 - BTVS SEASON 9 FREEFALL #2 - 36,448

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    Wow. Angel and Faith going down 1,000 is like a 5% drop. I assume it was because of Angel turning out to be worse than we thought. He let those demons kill a bunch of people. And the seeming white-washing of Angel. And maybe the great artwork has helped the drop not be so steep.

    But Buffy went down 6,500. That's a huge drop. Like over a 15% drop. Buffy having maybe
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    was probably not a readership winner and probably the awful artwork didn't help with readership.

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    A drop in sales is to be expected in comics. People stop reading for a variety of reasons. Issue #1 will nearly always sell better than issue #3 or #4 unless there's a big reveal or a buildup of hype around a certain issue. I believe that final issues usually sell pretty well too. The drop in sales in A&F has everything to do with the nature of the comic book industry, it's not because people were upset over Angel working with Nash and Pearl. People may decide to drop a comic if the writing turns to crap, but I am pretty sure that's not the case here. One character making bad choices does not equal crap writing. Now before someone chimes in and says that season 8 was crap and that Twilight was out of Angel's character, keep in mind that this thread is about season 9. Angel being Twilight is a pre-established plot point. So far, the writing in "Angel and Faith" has been pretty good. The drop in sales is just the "nature of the beast" so to speak. Same with Buffy. Some people may have dropped the book because they don't like Jeanty's artwork, but I doubt that's a majority reason.

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    Maybe the sales aren't final. I just acquired A&F 2&3 yesterday, had a hard time finding them.

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    Perhaps some people buy multiple copies of Issue 1 since it is the premiere, but don't buy multiple copies for subsequent issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ehlwyen View Post
    Perhaps some people buy multiple copies of Issue 1 since it is the premiere, but don't buy multiple copies for subsequent issues.
    This is frequently the case -- every comic book ever pretty much has its highest sales with #1 because of collection and speculation, and it is completely normal for them to trend down from there before settling in to whatever the monthly audience will be.

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    Top 300 Comics Actual--November 2011

    117 – 12.49 - ANGEL & FAITH #4 – 18,855

    64 – 22.18 - BTVS SEASON 9 FREEFALL #3 – 33,485
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    Why is BtVS readership still going down so much? That's another 3 thousand drop.

    Speculation: There isn't much -- or any -- Buffy/Spike. Maybe people didn't like the idea of Buffy/Severin?

    And the artwork maybe has something to do with it.

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    Commentary from Comics Beat - Indie Month-to-Month Sales November 2011

    The drops are starting to smooth out, but this is way below the lowest this incarnation of Buffy has ever been. I would guess that a good chunk of the audience has moved over to trades. - Buffy S9

    Levelling out quite nicely, but I’m still a bit confused as to why this is selling so behind Buffy, as it’s following plots that have spun out of Season 8, and you’d think most of the Buffy readership is made up of hardcore fans of the show. - Angel and Faith

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    Since now I buy them first digitally, I decided to switch from uk ebay shops to TFAW for printed copies (there’s an urge to buy all Spike covers); but due to shipping I'll have to wait to combine more issues (5,6 and 7)
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    S9 is sort of in a limbo/holding pattern for now. Lets see if #5 moves things along.

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    I'm really not surprised by the numbers. From the information I heard Buffy season 8 issue 1 sold more than 100,000. And it's obvious why. People wanted to read the canon continuation of Buffy and it was a new big thing. Some were new to comics of course, some were hardcore fans. If I consider myself about an average reader the next 10 or so issues probably sold well, however the new medium and the new feel of the story probably alienated some readers. The back and forth story telling probably hurt readership too.

    At a certain point I think the readership split in two, those that liked the new OTT storytelling and the medium, and those loyal to Buffy and like comics enough to continue even though they felt emotionally detached from the story. The rest lost interest.

    Some interest was picked up again by the end, but it was no where near the beginning. If I remember correctly (and please someone correct me if I'm wrong) Twilight and Last Gleaming sold around 30,000 ish or more? #40 was up to around 40,000 sold (which is similar to s9 issue #1).

    The thing is that the people who stuck with season 8 liked the way season 8 went (more or less, I enjoyed chunks of it). But in season 9 they have changed the feel of it, so the readership that they kept feel put off with it and want more of season 8's storytelling. The ones alienated by season 8 probably won't come back and the hardcore fans are just sticking to it.

    I have a feeling that some fans will come back around midway and sales will improve about then, but honestly? They messed up big time in terms of sales (imo). The readers who would read season 9 have left or lost interest because of season 8 and the readers who read season 8 don't care very much for season 9.

    I am enjoying season 9, but I do agree that something in the writing does feel different like something is missing. However I feel more emotionally invested. The fact that Joss isn't involved as much as he was in season 8 is also off putting to a good deal of people, which is probably why something feels like it's missing.

    In regards to A&F, a lot of Angel fans probably have lost interest because of season 8, which is why the sales are lower. However I also believe that'll pick up due to the writing and the overall positive vibe that it's been getting. Some Angel fans will probably come back.

    I agree with drlloyd in that s9 seems to be in limbo/holding pattern. I would like it to be higher, but I feel that the sales for the Trade paper back will be good and that once the season gets rolling more interest will pick up for it (and this is due to the fact that because of season 8 a lot of people are in a wait and see mode...they're testing the waters first).

    Maybe we should have a sales comparison for season 8 and season 9 side by side?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennyoelf View Post
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    I very much agree with this, the much different style of S8 and it's interminably long duration have a lot to do with how many readers the comic shed. A lot of those would have been casual Buffy fans/casual comic book readers who have written off the series and probably aren't even aware of the existence of S9, let alone it's return to it's roots and the rather brilliant Angel and Faith. Over time some of these readers may return through word of mouth but S8 screwed the pooch in regards to ever returning to 60k circulation figures, let alone 100k.

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    I actually had a short hiatus of buying the comics in 2009, I don't remember why, but I would imagine pacing was part of it.

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    Top 300 Comics Actual--December 2011

    113 - 13.72 - ANGEL & FAITH #5 - 18,356

    61 - 23.29 - BTVS SEASON 9 FREEFALL #4 - 31,157
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    Do they give out numbers for the trade paperbacks? Maybe the numbers aren't going down that much if people are buying the trades -- or buying digital -- instead of buying the comics at comic book stores.

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    And of course Angel and Faith is selling much lower. Angel was deplorable and perhaps unforgivable in Season 8. BtVS Season 9 has Buffy, Spike, Xander, Dawn, etc.

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    Mike, the Angel title selling lower doesn't have as much to do with Angels actions in season 8 as you think it does. It's because btvs has always been a more recognizable and popular series than ats. I believe season 8 sold better than after the fall too. Don't underestimate the power of name recognition.

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    Mike, the Angel title selling lower doesn't have as much to do with Angels actions in season 8 as you think it does. It's because btvs has always been a more recognizable and popular series than ats.
    AtS s4 eventually got higher ratings than BtVS S7. And AtS s5’s ratings are even higher.

    I believe season 8 sold better than after the fall too.
    One was written by Joss Whedon and other TV Buffyverse writers and was always certainly canon –other than Joss saying he’d be willing to dump it to do a movie or a TV series with the former Buffyverse actors – and the other was written by the guy who wrote Spike Asylum and Joss only worked out an outline with that person and then that series was actually extended beyond that outline.

    Don't underestimate the power of name recognition.
    Those that are reading Season 9 and A&F have very likely already read Season 8 and/or AtF.

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    http://www.comicsbeat.com/2012/01/31...december-2011/

    61. Buffy The Vampire Slayer (Dark Horse)

    12/2007: Buffy the Vampire Slayer #9 - 89,556
    12/2008: Buffy the Vampire Slayer #20 - 71,896
    12/2009: BTVS Willow One Shot - 45,136
    12/2010: Buffy the Vampire Slayer #39 - 40,010

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    01/2011: Buffy the Vampire Slayer #40 - 39,486 (-1.3%)
    09/2011: Buffy the Vampire Slayer Season 9 #1 - 42,945 (+8.0%)
    10/2011: Buffy the Vampire Slayer Season 9 #2 - 36,448 (-15.1%)
    11/2011: Buffy the Vampire Slayer Season 9 #3 - 33,485 (-8.1%)
    12/2011: Buffy the Vampire Slayer Season 9 #4 - 31,157 (-7.0%)

    Still dropping perilously fast, and well below the sales of the previous series. A little worrying.


    113. Angel & Faith (Dark Horse)

    12/2007: After the Fall #2 - 44,792
    12/2008: After the Fall #15 - 37,649
    12/2009: Angel #28 - 21,301
    12/2010: Angel #40 - 14,182

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    01/2011: Angel #41 - 13,566 (-4.3%)
    02/2011: Angel #42 - 13,136 (-3.2%)
    03/2011: Angel #43 - 13,032 (-0.8%)
    04/2011: Angel #44 - 12,897 (-1.0%)
    08/2011: Angel & Faith #1 - 22,813 (+76.9%)
    09/2011: Angel & Faith #2 - 20,473 (-10.3%)
    10/2011: Angel & Faith #3 - 19,437 (-5.1%)
    11/2011: Angel & Faith #4 - 18,855 (-2.9%)
    12/2011: Angel & Faith #5 - 18,356 (-2.6%)

    This seems to be finding its level, even if my prediction that sales might increase a little was wrong.

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    Still dropping perilously fast, and well below the sales of the previous series. A little worrying.
    But even looking at season 8 they managed to loose half their sales in the 2 years. Every year less people bothered to buy it, so no change there really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sueworld View Post
    But even looking at season 8 they managed to loose half their sales in the 2 years. Every year less people bothered to buy it, so no change there really.
    Yeah, but between #1 and #4 they lost 27,45% that's way too much for 3 issues difference.

    In season 8 between #9 and #20 they lost 19,72% and that's 12 issues difference not 3. I believe that they will lose much more, this time next year Buffy's sales will be almost the same like AnF's.

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