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    I really don't know to which episode i should to give a + and to which a -

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    - The Puppet Show
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    Phases - 6
    Killed By Death - 5

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    Drew Goddard: ???
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    Jeffrey Bell: ???
    David Fury: ???
    Jane Espenson: ???
    Marti Noxon: ???
    Doug Petrie: ???
    David Greenwalt: ???
    Tim Minear: ???
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    Are we going to include the comics? I think we should in this case, since it's about writing credits.
    You keep waiting for the dust to settle and then you realize it; the dust is your life going on. If happy comes along - that weird unbearable delight that's actual happy - I think you have to grab it while you can. You take what you can get, 'cause it's here, and then...gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enisy View Post
    We all know Joss is gonna win this in the end, but the getting there could still be fun...
    See, I hope with this set-up it isn't set in stone that Joss will win. When we vote for the best writer overall, we aren't supposed to even think about who wrote the episode, just vote for the better episode. Therefore, Joss' best episode may not be as good as other people's best episode. Just for example, Jeffrey Bell co-wrote Not Fade Away with Whedon so therefore that'll probably be his winning episode, giving him a shot at winning. I think it'll be interesting to see how everything falls in the end due to this set-up.

    I'm going with Killed by Death. I love the MOTW. Surprising, I know, but I found it to be genuinely scary and interesting. I love the ideas in the episode, and all the Angelus stuff in it is also fantastic. The Dark Age is a very poor Giles episode, IMO. I like The Puppet Show for its hilarious ending and the fact that it's entertaining. But Sid the Dummy is so bad. And I also like Phases for the Xander/Buffy stuff and the Willow/Oz stuff, but again, the poor MOTW brings it down too much. But I wouldn't call any of these episodes memorable.

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    Drew Z. Greenberg: ???
    Howard Gordon: ???
    Mere Smith: ???
    Ben Edlund: ???
    Elizabeth Craft & Sarah Fain: ???
    Drew Goddard: ???
    Steven S. DeKnight: ???
    Jeffrey Bell: ???
    David Fury: ???
    Jane Espenson: ???
    Marti Noxon: ???
    Doug Petrie: ???
    David Greenwalt: ???
    Tim Minear: ???
    Joss Whedon: ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by TimeTravellingBunny View Post
    Are we going to include the comics? I think we should in this case, since it's about writing credits.
    But again, not everyone has read them and some people are biased, etc. I know that for me, if the comics are included, I would vote them out immediately because I just don't hold them up to the level of the television show because I hate the medium. So I haven't even read all the issues because I don't like comics.

    Also, how can you compare a 40 minute episode to a 20 page book? Also, would you count the issues individually or arcs as one episode? Because if it's one whole arc versus a standalone, doesn't the arc immediately stand a better chance at winning? I don't know, I would vote against it, but what does everyone else think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlasterBoy View Post
    But again, not everyone has read them and some people are biased, etc. I know that for me, if the comics are included, I would vote them out immediately because I just don't hold them up to the level of the television show because I hate the medium. So I haven't even read all the issues because I don't like comics.

    Also, how can you compare a 40 minute episode to a 20 page book? Also, would you count the issues individually or arcs as one episode? Because if it's one whole arc versus a standalone, doesn't the arc immediately stand a better chance at winning? I don't know, I would vote against it, but what does everyone else think?
    I say we count them the same way we did in the S8 part of the Best episode elimination game. Quite a few of the S8 issues are among my favorite Joss writings and I'd pick them over stuff like A Hole in the World any day of the week.

    edit: and let's not forget Fray. Maybe other canon stuff like Tales of the Slayers or Tales of the Vampires as well.
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    + Killed By Death
    - The Dark Age

    The Puppet Show - 6
    The Dark Age - 6
    Phases - 6
    Killed By Death - 7

    Reset at:
    NONE

    Eliminated:

    05. Never Kill A Boy on the First Date

    Winners
    Rob Des Hotel & Dean Batali: ???
    Shawn Ryan: ???
    Jeannine Renshaw: ???
    Rebeca Rand Kirshner: ???
    Drew Z. Greenberg: ???
    Howard Gordon: ???
    Mere Smith: ???
    Ben Edlund: ???
    Elizabeth Craft & Sarah Fain: ???
    Drew Goddard: ???
    Steven S. DeKnight: ???
    Jeffrey Bell: ???
    David Fury: ???
    Jane Espenson: ???
    Marti Noxon: ???
    Doug Petrie: ???
    David Greenwalt: ???
    Tim Minear: ???
    Joss Whedon: ???

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    + Killed By Death
    - The Puppet Show

    The Puppet Show - 5
    The Dark Age - 6
    Phases - 6
    Killed By Death - 8

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    Eliminated:

    05. Never Kill A Boy on the First Date

    Winners
    Rob Des Hotel & Dean Batali: ???
    Shawn Ryan: ???
    Jeannine Renshaw: ???
    Rebeca Rand Kirshner: ???
    Drew Z. Greenberg: ???
    Howard Gordon: ???
    Mere Smith: ???
    Ben Edlund: ???
    Elizabeth Craft & Sarah Fain: ???
    Drew Goddard: ???
    Steven S. DeKnight: ???
    Jeffrey Bell: ???
    David Fury: ???
    Jane Espenson: ???
    Marti Noxon: ???
    Doug Petrie: ???
    David Greenwalt: ???
    Tim Minear: ???
    Joss Whedon: ???

    NOT FADE AWAY

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    I also vote for including the comics. Folks who don't like them can just vote them down! Also, I think we should have a final category for all episodes that didn't get written by a regular writer -- e.g. Normal Again)

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    05. Never Kill A Boy on the First Date

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    Rob Des Hotel & Dean Batali: ???
    Shawn Ryan: ???
    Jeannine Renshaw: ???
    Rebeca Rand Kirshner: ???
    Drew Z. Greenberg: ???
    Howard Gordon: ???
    Mere Smith: ???
    Ben Edlund: ???
    Elizabeth Craft & Sarah Fain: ???
    Drew Goddard: ???
    Steven S. DeKnight: ???
    Jeffrey Bell: ???
    David Fury: ???
    Jane Espenson: ???
    Marti Noxon: ???
    Doug Petrie: ???
    David Greenwalt: ???
    Tim Minear: ???
    Joss Whedon: ???

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    Maggie, I'm up for the guest writer thing. That could be fun because Passion would also be in the game.

    Quote Originally Posted by TimeTravellingBunny View Post
    edit: and let's not forget Fray. Maybe other canon stuff like Tales of the Slayers or Tales of the Vampires as well.
    I can deal with S8, but isn't this a bit much? It isn't really part of either show even if it is considered canon...

    + Killed By Death
    - The Dark Age

    The Puppet Show - 6
    The Dark Age - 5
    Phases - 6
    Killed By Death - 8

    Reset at:
    NONE

    Eliminated:

    05. Never Kill A Boy on the First Date

    Winners
    Rob Des Hotel & Dean Batali: ???
    Shawn Ryan: ???
    Jeannine Renshaw: ???
    Rebeca Rand Kirshner: ???
    Drew Z. Greenberg: ???
    Howard Gordon: ???
    Mere Smith: ???
    Ben Edlund: ???
    Elizabeth Craft & Sarah Fain: ???
    Drew Goddard: ???
    Steven S. DeKnight: ???
    Jeffrey Bell: ???
    David Fury: ???
    Jane Espenson: ???
    Marti Noxon: ???
    Doug Petrie: ???
    David Greenwalt: ???
    Tim Minear: ???
    Joss Whedon: ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlasterBoy View Post
    I can deal with S8, but isn't this a bit much? It isn't really part of either show even if it is considered canon...
    Well it's Buffyverse, and OK, maybe we should not include Tales of the Slayers and Tales of the Vampires because it would make it too complicated, since different stories in those books were written by different writers. But Fray is all written by Whedon, so it's straightforward just like S8 issues, we just add them to his list of 'episodes'. Same with Espenson's, Goddard's etc. S8 issues. We're not adding new writers, just adding a few more 'episodes' to those that are already on the list...
    You keep waiting for the dust to settle and then you realize it; the dust is your life going on. If happy comes along - that weird unbearable delight that's actual happy - I think you have to grab it while you can. You take what you can get, 'cause it's here, and then...gone.

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    + The Puppet Show
    - The Dark Age

    The Puppet Show - 7
    The Dark Age - 4
    Phases - 6
    Killed By Death - 8

    Reset at:
    NONE

    Eliminated:

    05. Never Kill A Boy on the First Date

    Winners
    Rob Des Hotel & Dean Batali: ???
    Shawn Ryan: ???
    Jeannine Renshaw: ???
    Rebeca Rand Kirshner: ???
    Drew Z. Greenberg: ???
    Howard Gordon: ???
    Mere Smith: ???
    Ben Edlund: ???
    Elizabeth Craft & Sarah Fain: ???
    Drew Goddard: ???
    Steven S. DeKnight: ???
    Jeffrey Bell: ???
    David Fury: ???
    Jane Espenson: ???
    Marti Noxon: ???
    Doug Petrie: ???
    David Greenwalt: ???
    Tim Minear: ???
    Joss Whedon: ???

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    - The Puppet Show
    + Killed by Death

    The Puppet Show - 6
    The Dark Age - 4
    Phases - 6
    Killed By Death - 9

    Reset at:
    NONE

    Eliminated:

    05. Never Kill A Boy on the First Date

    Winners
    Rob Des Hotel & Dean Batali: ???
    Shawn Ryan: ???
    Jeannine Renshaw: ???
    Rebeca Rand Kirshner: ???
    Drew Z. Greenberg: ???
    Howard Gordon: ???
    Mere Smith: ???
    Ben Edlund: ???
    Elizabeth Craft & Sarah Fain: ???
    Drew Goddard: ???
    Steven S. DeKnight: ???
    Jeffrey Bell: ???
    David Fury: ???
    Jane Espenson: ???
    Marti Noxon: ???
    Doug Petrie: ???
    David Greenwalt: ???
    Tim Minear: ???
    Joss Whedon: ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by TimeTravellingBunny View Post
    Well it's Buffyverse, and OK, maybe we should not include Tales of the Slayers and Tales of the Vampires because it would make it too complicated, since different stories in those books were written by different writers. But Fray is all written by Whedon, so it's straightforward just like S8 issues, we just add them to his list of 'episodes'. Same with Espenson's, Goddard's etc. S8 issues. We're not adding new writers, just adding a few more 'episodes' to those that are already on the list...
    I've come around to the S8 issue idea, I just don't know about Fray cause it is the same universe but a bunch of new characters, right? (this is from my very limited knowledge seeing as I have not read it )

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlasterBoy View Post
    I've come around to the S8 issue idea, I just don't know about Fray cause it is the same universe but a bunch of new characters, right? (this is from my very limited knowledge seeing as I have not read it )
    Yes, and it takes place in the future. But the characters appear in S8 as well, there's a crossover with Fray in S8 "Time of Your Life" where Buffy time travels to that future (and meets a familiar face there ). S8 was always supposed to lead into the Fray future, where
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    the magic is gone, but vampires are still there and there are no Slayers for a few centuries until Melaka Fray is called.
    You keep waiting for the dust to settle and then you realize it; the dust is your life going on. If happy comes along - that weird unbearable delight that's actual happy - I think you have to grab it while you can. You take what you can get, 'cause it's here, and then...gone.

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    Fixed!

    I'm glad about the guest writer slot! I'm not so enthusiastic about going beyond season 8 -- but whatever! Meanwhile, we're going nowhere fast on a set of episodes that aren't worth the trouble!!!!

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    Elizabeth Craft & Sarah Fain: ???
    Drew Goddard: ???
    Steven S. DeKnight: ???
    Jeffrey Bell: ???
    David Fury: ???
    Jane Espenson: ???
    Marti Noxon: ???
    Doug Petrie: ???
    David Greenwalt: ???
    Tim Minear: ???
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    Maggie, your numbers seem very off.

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    + Killed By Death
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    Howard Gordon: ???
    Mere Smith: ???
    Ben Edlund: ???
    Elizabeth Craft & Sarah Fain: ???
    Drew Goddard: ???
    Steven S. DeKnight: ???
    Jeffrey Bell: ???
    David Fury: ???
    Jane Espenson: ???
    Marti Noxon: ???
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    David Greenwalt: ???
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    Joss Whedon: ???

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    + Phases
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    Drew Z. Greenberg: ???
    Howard Gordon: ???
    Mere Smith: ???
    Ben Edlund: ???
    Elizabeth Craft & Sarah Fain: ???
    Drew Goddard: ???
    Steven S. DeKnight: ???
    Jeffrey Bell: ???
    David Fury: ???
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    Phases - 7
    Killed By Death - 9

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    05. Never Kill A Boy on the First Date

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    Rob Des Hotel & Dean Batali: ???
    Shawn Ryan: ???
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    Rebeca Rand Kirshner: ???
    Drew Z. Greenberg: ???
    Howard Gordon: ???
    Mere Smith: ???
    Ben Edlund: ???
    Elizabeth Craft & Sarah Fain: ???
    Drew Goddard: ???
    Steven S. DeKnight: ???
    Jeffrey Bell: ???
    David Fury: ???
    Jane Espenson: ???
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    David Greenwalt: ???
    Tim Minear: ???
    Joss Whedon: ???

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