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    So who's watching? Have you read the books?

    I only got to the part in the book where they found the direwolf puppies and have to say that from the pilot the show looks like it jumped right out of the pages. For me the first episode grabbed me more immediately than the premiere of TRUE BLOOD did, but I also love fantasy more than supernatural type stories.

    I am glad that I spent the month leading up to the premiere watching character profile videos that HBO put out so that I felt like that I already knew the characters before it started. Otherwise, I can tell that it could be hard to get into.

    My favorite characters so far are Ned Stark (obviously,) King Robert, Tyrion Lannister (as my sister said, "who knew that the whoring dwarf would be the normal sibling?") Daenerys Targaryen, and Ayra Stark.

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    After that shocking ending, not quite sure what I think of Cersei & Jamie Lannister -but I guess that we all know now why the Prince is pale blond...*Shudders*


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    I didn't watch all those profile clips and other making of extras. I really love fantasy so I didnt need to be clued in ahead of time. I prefer to experience the story as it unfolds. I did watch the one about the show created their own language for the tribal people. Even that seemed a little spoilerly so I didnt watch anything further. Although I was quite impressed that the show chose such a creative dedication that the book apparently did not.

    I thought the first episode was really impressive. It was not silly or watered down to be accessible to everyone. Instead it pushes viewers to keep up with it. I enjoyed it even more when rewatching it because I could better pick up all the connections that were being said rather than just assuming what was going on. I always have trouble discerning words with a strong accent.

    Ned is obviously a fave character, I wanted to love him for being played by Sean Bean before even watching the show. But it seems like he has a solid head on his shoulders and treats his family with respect. Which is more than I can say for a lot of other characters. I look forward to seeing all the story lines further unfold. Daenerys entering the foreign culture will be interesting. And I hope to see her become more confident. Perhaps even get some type of revenge on her self absorbed fool of a brother. It was funny seeing how clearly their host was maneuvering him without him even truly knowing it.

    Ayra was the tomboy right? She could definitely grow into an interesting character. *crosses fingers* I enjoyed the elder Stark daughter and the half brother too. There was a lot of characters and plot background to be set up so I didnt feel really attached to anyone but could see lots of potential.

    I really loved the chilling wight walkers...that was an unexpected plot line and definitely sold me.

    I haven't read the books and have no intention to read the books till at least the first season is over although maybe not until the series is done. I don't like to create expectations from the source material. And I don't like the tv storyline to be spoiled as I'm watching.

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    I am so happy so see a thread on this here. There is a very good chance 'Game of Thrones. will be a good series because it is based on the 'A song of ice and fire' series which is generally regared as the best fantasy series of all time. Plot wise the books are even better than Lord of the Rings. Influence wise it's up there. Also the author has said that the series is very faithful to his work. Basically if there was only one fantasy series to experience it would be this one. I say this because I haven't read it yet though :P. But apparently it's a very good story.

    Basically I can't think of a show right now I would recommend more.
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    Okay, my general thoughts on "The kings Road." I find myself liking Tyrion more and more as he seems to be the only decent person in that entire family. I don't know what to make of young Danerys yet to be honest. I feel for her and at the same time I wonder if we aren't seeing a villiainess in the making. I'm not at all impressed with the King. I'm sure he's a decent person in his own way, but he seems to be seriously lacking when ti comes to having a spine. Eddard is an intriguing character, but I wish he had stood up for his family a bit more instead of just giving in. I think the part of the story I'm most intrigued by is what is happening at and beyond the wall. The Wight Walkers are creepy and exciting at the same time! Oh, and I seriously want to drag Joffery to a lake, shove his head under the water and hold it there until the bubbles stop.

    I can't wait to see what happens next.
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    I've been waiting for these series to start ever since the first casting spoilers. I've read all the books and am very much looking forward to the 5th book coming out in July.

    I think the series is beautifully done and I especially love their actor choices for Tyrion and Arya. Both of them are amazing characters in the books and promise to be as good on film.

    The only one I was a bit doubtful about in the beginning was Cersei, she seemed far more sympathetic than she does in the books.

    Spoiler for the books (and likely the future of the show)
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    But this way, with Cersei being a lot more sympathetic, it's far easier to understand why Ned wants to give the chance to flee so badly though it's obvious to the reader that this s just plain stupid.


    The Dany storyline comes across quite icky on screen. But it's getting better already.

    With the rest I'm pretty much in love. With Arya going after the hateful prince Jeoffrey. With Tyrion handing out advice from unwanted son to bastard. With Catelyn, who works a lot better on screen for me. And also with the opening credits. I adore all the little clockwork castle. Can't wait to see how they do Casterly Rock and Dragonstone.

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    So far this series is good. I'm most likely not going to read the books and am going to watch the TV series for its own merits.


    Pretty much the major problem with this series so far is the lack of likable characters. Pretty much so far I only like Ned Stark's younger daughter Arya and like that the Starks seem to like that she wants to be fighter.


    John Snow so far while interesting feels entitled.

    The imp so far is interesting because he uses his mind and instincts. It seems he went to the wall not only to get a connection to John Snow but to see how the wall is protected and learn. And he got to learn how mans the wall.


    Where are the other kingdoms? And so far we only see two powerful families: the Lanisters (spelling?) and the Starks. Even the Targarians only have a brother and sister. And are the people going to accept a Prince who is half-'savage'?

    Anyway, so far it's interesting though already it's a little boring. Arya's training is the highlight of 1.03 and the conversation she had with Ned and that Ned watched her training and remembered something.

    And it'd be nice if Arya killed Jaffray and installed herself as Queen. Jaffrays is a childish brat who seems neither intelligent nor brave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeB View Post
    Pretty much the major problem with this series so far is the lack of likable characters. Pretty much so far I only like Ned Stark's younger daughter Arya and like that the Starks seem to like that she wants to be fighter.
    I think that might be because in GoT there are rarely really good or evil characters. They all are both to a degree and they all have weaknesses and protection mechanisms.

    John Snow so far while interesting feels entitled.
    I think it was the point of the episode to target that and to heal him a little from it. Jon is used to being not entitled among the trueborn Starks where he's the likeable underdog.
    In the Nightswatch he's suddenly coming from an überprivileged standing compared to the others and has to see and deal with that.

    Which Tyrion, who is in a similar situation with being a dwarf and one of the superrich Lannisters, helps him realise.

    The imp so far is interesting because he uses his mind and instincts. It seems he went to the wall not only to get a connection to John Snow but to see how the wall is protected and learn. And he got to learn how mans the wall.
    Tyrion is my favourite character, mainly because he buys nothing he doesn't completely think through first and because he sees right through people and their appearances. He is a cynic but the fun part is that it still makes him compassionate.

    Where are the other kingdoms? And so far we only see two powerful families: the Lanisters (spelling?) and the Starks. Even the Targarians only have a brother and sister. And are the people going to accept a Prince who is half-'savage'?
    The seven kingdoms were named before the old Targaryens conquered them and made one realm out of them. Before the Targaryen invasion the big families all had a kingdom.

    Some more have already made an appearance if not so important. The Arryns (where the last hand came from), the Tullys (Catelyns family) and the Baratheons (where Robert comesfrom)

    Arya's training is the highlight of 1.03 and the conversation she had with Ned and that Ned watched her training and remembered something.
    I interpreted it as him being worried that this might grow more than childsplay for Arya one day.

    I like that scene a lot and also Neds clumsy interactions with Varys and Littlefinger. The guys who actually run the realm, since Robert could not care less and Cersei is mainly interested in power,incest and her horrible prince.

    I think Martin also does a good job (even if it was a little overdone last episode) showing how children grow into completely messed up grown ups. Joeff's first instinct is to be honest, say the wolf bit him and all he did was scream. Cersei immediately revises history for him the way he did in front of the others.

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    Overall, a great post that made me like the series a little more. Though Ayra is still to me the only likable character. Tyrion also is somewhat likable. Catelyn became unlikable in the last episode (1.03?) by demanding that Tyrion be taking to Winterfell to stand trial for the King's Justice. Really? Without any real proof and after her good buddy in the episode before told her that they needed real information. And she doesn't seem to think at all what the Queen would think about this.

    The seven kingdoms were named before the old Targaryens conquered them and made one realm out of them. Before the Targaryen invasion the big families all had a kingdom.
    This is good info but its still not said in the TV series.

    Some more have already made an appearance if not so important. The Arryns (where the last hand came from), the Tullys (Catelyns family) and the Baratheons (where Robert comesfrom)
    More good info.

    Another problem is that so far we only see two castles: Kings Landing and Winterfall and one mansion across the Narrow Sea. Were the other castles destroyed? And if so why do they still refer to the Seven Kingdoms. Where to the Tullys live?

    I interpreted it as him being worried that this might grow more than childsplay for Arya one day.
    Ned is still trying to coax Ayra into wanting to be a 'princess' but he does seem to still like that she likes learning how to fight.

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    The other major problem with this series is why Robert is still King. Obviously Ned Stark being there helps a lot. But the guy himself is a usurper, didn't even kill the last King, and is useless. All he does is have fun. And it seems none of his main people besides Ned even really likes the guy. And the Lannisters don't seem to be liked. Now we learn that Catelyn comes from a good family and it would seem that Ned should be easily able to become King.
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    I just watched the first two episodes and I don't think a show ever left me equally depressed. SO I don't know if I wat to continue, it looks so pretty and interesting but if all characters will be murdered and/or raped I doubt it's the show for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nina View Post
    I just watched the first two episodes and I don't think a show ever left me equally depressed. SO I don't know if I wat to continue, it looks so pretty and interesting but if all characters will be murdered and/or raped I doubt it's the show for me.
    I am not quite sure how you get the impression that all characters will be murdered or raped, but if you're talking about Bran and Daenerys: Bran actually survives Jaime's attempt on his life and so far his story seems to develop into an interesting direction. As for Daenerys, she actually starts to stand up for herself and not only manages to coax her husband into a more affectionate/respectful behaviour towards her but also develops quite the determined resistance to her obnoxious and power hungry brother.

    Personally I have to say that GoT is one of my new favourite shows. The world building is extraordinary and the slow pace and the way the characters unfold leaves me excited for the rest of the season.
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    Well I went sniffing around online after the first two episodes to read reviews and the opinions of others. And there I did read that the books only got more and more depressing and that it looks bad for pretty much all characters. (But yes I used a hyperbole when I said they all will be raped or killed. Because I'm not enough of a spoiler-person to actually look up what happens to who.) And I'm not sure if I'm ready for that. Them killing Lady made me already extremely sad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nina View Post
    Well I went siffing around online after the first two episodes to read reviews and the opinions of others. And there I did read that the books only got more and more depressing and that it looks bad for pretty much all characters. (But yes I used a hyperbole when I said they all will be raped or killed. Because I'm not enough of a spoiler-person to actually look up what happens to who.) And I'm not sure if I'm ready for that. Them killing Lady made me already extremely sad.
    LOL well, I didn't read the books and I avoid spoilers, so I have no idea what is going to happen, but it is a show about political machinations and intrigue in a medieval-like world, so bloodshed, general violence and betrayal is to be expected. Add to that the fantasy aspect, which so far seems to foreshadow a dark force rising and threatening the realm, and it's obvious that this is not the light-hearted, fluffy type of show. Still, I find the world created here so fascinating and the characters all have so much depth right from the start, it sucked me right in. I am in for the long haul with this show.

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    The world created is certainly facinating and I'll continue watching it for now because the show is really good. But I hope there will also be moments of some happiness which will make me a bit less depressed. I often watch my shows right before I go to bed and this show is not good for my rest. Maybe I should watch it on another time of the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeB View Post
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    Overall, a great post that made me like the series a little more.
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    Though Ayra is still to me the only likable character. Tyrion also is somewhat likable. Catelyn became unlikable in the last episode (1.03?) by demanding that Tyrion be taking to Winterfell to stand trial for the King's Justice. Really? Without any real proof and after her good buddy in the episode before told her that they needed real information. And she doesn't seem to think at all what the Queen would think about this.
    Catelynn is badass doing what she does but you're right in that it's not a smart move. She doesn't really know Tyrion though, so she would not wonder why he'd make such a clumsy attempt on her sons life. And to suspect Lannisters is not really that far off.

    This is good info but its still not said in the TV series.
    There is a line in the most recent episode, where someone says "before Aegon the conqueror forged the seven Kingdoms into one". But yeah, it's easy to miss, since they are trying not to spend lots of time with exposition, the history unfolds slowly.

    Another problem is that so far we only see two castles: Kings Landing and Winterfall and one mansion across the Narrow Sea. Were the other castles destroyed? And if so why do they still refer to the Seven Kingdoms. Where to the Tullys live?
    I think we see the castles where the story is currently taking place (they changed from Pentos to the Dothraki sea between the first two episodes for example). The other castles are there and they will be shown when characters travel there I think. The next one we get to see will be the Arryn castle, the Eerie, I think. The Tully's live at Riverun which should also show up in the second season. And the Lannisters have Casterly Rock, which will make an appearance too in time. There's also Dragonstone, where Robert's older brother Stannis lives and several others. But to bring them up all at once would only confuse people (it's not done in the books either).

    Ned is still trying to coax Ayra into wanting to be a 'princess' but he does seem to still like that she likes learning how to fight.
    He lets her have a childhood I think, even if he thinks she'll eventually have to grow into the female role.


    The other major problem with this series is why Robert is still King. Obviously Ned Stark being there helps a lot. But the guy himself is a usurper, didn't even kill the last King, and is useless.
    Naja, the whole Ursurper bit could not be more irrelevant to the common people. He does not burn their lands for fun which is a step up from the former guy. And for the noble houses he's not killing them randomly, everyone can live in their part of the realm in peace. Sure there are powerhungry people but the Lannisters have the current queen and when Robert dies her kids will be more Lannister than Baratheon. They only have to wait.

    All he does is have fun. And it seems none of his main people besides Ned even really likes the guy.
    Sure, but he's keeping peace.

    And the Lannisters don't seem to be liked. Now we learn that Catelyn comes from a good family and it would seem that Ned should be easily able to become King.
    It takes a certain sort of ambition to want a crown that the good people mostly lack. Ned would not want the responsibility, because he takes it seriously. And he would certainly see no reason to start a war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nina View Post
    The world created is certainly facinating and I'll continue watching it for now because the show is really good. But I hope there will also be moments of some happiness which will make me a bit less depressed. I often watch my shows right before I go to bed and this show is not good for my rest. Maybe I should watch it on another time of the day.
    Hm, it is not exactly light material, the whole story gets very dark, though I think the highs are totally worth the dark pits. The rape bit should stay in background. I don't know why they turned Dany's wedding night into a rape. It's not in the books. But bloody it is. There is a lot of character death, even among the main characters.

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    To begin, the last episode (1.04?) really explained things and made me like this series a lot more.

    Pretty much everything I complained about in my last post was explained in this last episode.

    Also, it's great to see that Jaime Lannister can fight instead of simply him talking about his ability and those like Ned and Robert mocking his fighting ability.


    So, it seems Robert married Cersei mainly because of her family wealth.

    Some other guy is introduced who has money, but they define that the Lannisters are far wealthier than everyone else. And they define that the King is not automatically the richest guy in the land. Also, I don't remember but are the people not taxed?

    Ayra and Tyrion continue to be my favorite characters but now Jaime and Cersei have gone up in my estimation. It makes sense why Cersei wouldn't now like Robert given that it seems he never actually loved her and she's only Queen because he needed her money.


    One problem still is the gross apparent lack of genetic diversity. There are 7 kingdoms whose families probably consist of a total of perhaps less than 100-200 people and these people intermarry.


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    There is a line in the most recent episode, where someone says "before Aegon the conqueror forged the seven Kingdoms into one".
    My point was that so far they only showed King's Landing, Winterfell, and some mansion/palace. With 1.04? we see that there actually are other castles and we're told that anyone with enough money can get themselves an army.

    He lets her have a childhood I think, even if he thinks she'll eventually have to grow into the female role.
    I don't know: in the TV show he still seems to like that she wants to learn to fight. I'm not saying that he'd prefer her to be a knight. In this world, it seems better to be a princess than to be a knight. But she mentioned in 1.03 if she could be a Lord of a castle or whatever and he tried to coax her into wanting to be some rich and powerful guy's wife.

    There is a lot of character death, even among the main characters.
    I read some summaries on Wikipedia to get some background for the show and if they stick to the books, I'm not sure I'd like it if things in the show become what happens in the books. Spoiler for things that happen in the books:
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    Joffrey should have been casted better and why would Sean Bean sign onto a show that he's going to be quickly killed in? Unless the slow down the pace of event like they seemed to do a little in 1.04. But still. Plus, Daenryns it still seems wasn't casted well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeB View Post
    Also, it's great to see that Jaime Lannister can fight instead of simply him talking about his ability and those like Ned and Robert mocking his fighting ability.
    Jaime for all his golden attire can fight quite well.

    So, it seems Robert married Cersei mainly because of her family wealth.
    Also because of a political alliance. Robert was successful with his rebellion, but if the Lannisters had not turned on the Targaryens he probably would not have won.

    Some other guy is introduced who has money, but they define that the Lannisters are far wealthier than everyone else. And they define that the King is not automatically the richest guy in the land. Also, I don't remember but are the people not taxed?
    Sure they are, but Robert wastes the taxes for tourneys and other extravagances. He does not know how to deal with money and the Lannisters try to make him spend as much as possible so he stays deep in their depth. They on the other hand sit literally on a goldmine.

    Ayra and Tyrion continue to be my favorite characters but now Jaime and Cersei have gone up in my estimation. It makes sense why Cersei wouldn't now like Robert given that it seems he never actually loved her and she's only Queen because he needed her money.
    I think Cersei hating Robert makes sense all along. We saw him fondling whores right in front of her in the very first episode. She's in a loveless arranged marriage. Her husband hates her because she was forced on him, her father only used her as a token and expects her to be a spy for which pretty much everyone else hates her. Jaime really is the only one she's got.


    One problem still is the gross apparent lack of genetic diversity. There are 7 kingdoms whose families probably consist of a total of perhaps less than 100-200 people and these people intermarry.
    You mean just as they did in medieval Europe?
    Sure it's a problem, hence the many mad and degenerate people.

    I read some summaries on Wikipedia to get some background for the show and if they stick to the books, I'm not sure I'd like it if things in the show become what happens in the books. Spoiler for things that happen in the books:
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    Joffrey should have been casted better and why would Sean Bean sign onto a show that he's going to be quickly killed in? Unless the slow down the pace of event like they seemed to do a little in 1.04. But still. Plus, Daenryns it still seems wasn't casted well.
    Spoiler:
    hehe, why did he sign up to play Boromir? Maybe he doesn't read the books?
    No, I figure an actor of his caliber doesn't want to be bound to a tv show for so long and it's a brilliant centerstage role with a death that makes Joss pale in comparison. I couldn't believe it when I read the books.

    I think Joffrey's actor does a great job portraying him as an arrogant little shit. And Dany seems ok to me. We'll see, she grows a great deal during the series but in the beginning she's quite timid so I think the actress works quite well.

    They have lots of work to do now in the second half of the season, after all four major characters have to die in 5 episodes.

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    Oh God, the show is great! I've watched the first 5 episodes in a row, and i completely got addicted! First chance i get, i'll buy the books and read them! Can't wait for the next episode!

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    Quote Originally Posted by oneiro View Post
    Oh God, the show is great! I've watched the first 5 episodes in a row, and i completely got addicted! First chance i get, i'll buy the books and read them! Can't wait for the next episode!
    I started rereading the books upon watching the series and I can't put them down even though I know what's going to happen. Can't wait for the two new episodes on sunday and for the 5th book finally coming out on July 12th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nixennacht View Post
    I started rereading the books upon watching the series and I can't put them down even though I know what's going to happen. Can't wait for the two new episodes on sunday and for the 5th book finally coming out on July 12th.
    What are the name of the books?
    On Sunday two episodes? Wow, you made my day!

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    Quote Originally Posted by oneiro View Post
    What are the name of the books?
    On Sunday two episodes? Wow, you made my day!
    HBO is promoting their online platform or something, so they'll bring one on tv and the next one online.

    The series is called a Song of Ice and Fire:

    Book 1: A game of thrones
    Book 2: A clash of kings
    Book 3: A storm of swords
    Book 4: A feast for crows
    Book 5: A dance with dragons (out in July)
    Book 6: (is announced as "The winds of winter", might take a while till we get that one)

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