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    Quote Originally Posted by DorothyFan1 View Post
    The comment rang a bell when I read it. You know the butter commercial? The one that goes "I can't believe it's not butter"? Well, there you go. I'm guessing it's misdirection. However killing off someone in this upcoming issue would be a surprise because we've yet to see the *betrayal*. I would think this would be revealed first before the big death. Unless Joss is doing a sudden reversal and someone dies before the climatic reveal...making it very unexpected.

    I would be very surprised if this someone is killed off so soon especially if the betrayal happens after the big death. It does raise the intriguing possibility the surprising death itself triggers the betrayal.
    Why would people who are not affiliated with DarkHorse have any interest in misdirecting the audience?

    I don't see it being Amy or Warren and especially not the Master who is killed. I just don't see anyone reacting with "I can't believe they killed..." over any of those people.
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    A character death triggering the betrayal has been pretty common theory for a few issues now, and it wouldn't have to be an accident at all. For instance, if Dawn has just been killed by the invading hordes that will keep right on invading so long as this Seed is there and Xander takes steps to destroy it and betrays (whomever, it will depend on context), then there was no accident.

    Question -- why are people taking any reassurance for ANY character by virtue of the 8.40 variant? How quickly we forget. Go back and look at the 8.15 "Seven Samurai" variant.

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    The big death cannot be anyone they've promised Season 9 as titles. This means Buffy, Angel, Spike and "unconfirmed" Willow. So, this suggests the big death could be Andrew, Faith, Giles, Xander, Dawn. Given the Jo Chen cover showing Dawn in serious condition pretty much spoils it for us to suggest it's going to be Dawn. This leaves the big death to be either Xander or Giles.

    Now, based on comments in here suggesting Bander isn't dead pretty much means it's Giles.
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    The big death cannot be anyone they've promised Season 9 as titles.
    Why not? They did it in Chosen and The Gift, didn't they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Shaftoe View Post
    Why not? They did it in Chosen and The Gift, didn't they?
    My analysis still stands. Anya died, yes...but Season 7 was the *last* one they were filming anyway so Joss could have just closed shop by killing Buffy and Angel then and there. No dice.

    The Gift was *supposed* to be the end of the Buffy character but the show got renewed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingofCretins View Post
    Question -- why are people taking any reassurance for ANY character by virtue of the 8.40 variant? How quickly we forget. Go back and look at the 8.15 "Seven Samurai" variant.
    "Seven Samurai" variant was a homage cover. The original poster featured seven warriors including the ones who die in the battle. (BTW, Buffy represents the character who dies. Just sayin'.)

    #40 is not a homage cover, as far as I can tell. Either it's an "overview" of the season (i.e., Angel being the most important person to Buffy, while Dawn and Spike mean nothing for her) or the outcome of the season (who lives, who dies).

    Or maybe it doesn't mean anything...

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    Wasn't it somewhere here I read someone calling the writers big liars?
    We shouldn't assume that anyone is safe even if someone has said they'll get titles next year... I mean, if they were going to kill Angel and someone asked if Angel will get his own series what would they answer?
    "Err...no... because... well... it'll all make sense... soon...." (ominous sound of thunder)

    Willow is the only one we WOULDN'T expect to get her own title, and she is in the future, so I'm going to assume that she survives, but noone else is safe as far as I'm concerned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meiter View Post
    Wasn't it somewhere here I read someone calling the writers big liars?
    We shouldn't assume that anyone is safe even if someone has said they'll get titles next year... I mean, if they were going to kill Angel and someone asked if Angel will get his own series what would they answer?
    "Err...no... because... well... it'll all make sense... soon...." (ominous sound of thunder)

    Willow is the only one we WOULDN'T expect to get her own title, and she is in the future, so I'm going to assume that she survives, but noone else is safe as far as I'm concerned.
    Interesting counter argument there. However, Willow *died* in that future...meaning her past has changed. This unfortunately means Willow could be killed in the big fight - hence the "unconfirmed" part of my post noting Willow wasn't officially canonized to be getting her own title for Season 9.

    Also interesting to note Angel's copyright was bought by DHC...which means Joss could legally kill off Angel without incurring the wrath of IDW. So Angel is yet another one...but he's been promised a title for Season 9. The possibility is Spike is the one who dies because he's not on the alternate GJ cover for issue 40. Yet...he's been promised a title for Season 9.

    In theory...if we go by the comments that the characters who are getting titles are anything to go by...then the ones who are *not* getting titles could be the big death include Willow, Giles, Faith, Xander, Dawn, Andrew. Andrew I'm assuming is safe because he's not a big shot. Giles is a bigger shot than Faith so I think she's safe. The biggest shot in this list is Willow so assuming we go strictly by knowing which ones are guaranteed titles next season...Willow is not confirmed...as far as I can tell. The fact they had to mention Willow's name at the CC in NY saying she's getting a title I find a little bit suspicious.
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    Interesting counter argument there. However, Willow *died* in that future...meaning her past has changed.
    What? Why?

    What I meant was, noone expects a Willow-title, so them coming out of the blue and saying she'll get one probably means she's definitively get one, while the others they were probably asked and COULD have conspired together to just confirm everything with regards to the characters expected to have titles, even if they die and definitively will NOT have any titles. This includes Buffy, Angel and Spike.

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    I cannot believe the accusation that I would purposefully try to misdirect the people in my own fandom. I'm wounded. Hurt, even.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bitsyfest View Post
    I cannot believe the accusation that I would purposefully try to misdirect the people in my own fandom. I'm wounded. Hurt, even.
    The problem appears to be one of trusting the information we've been given. For example...it would be nice to know *if* the death that happens contradicts the reported news of Season 9's titles to being listed as Buffy, Angel, Spike and Willow. The Willow one is a *late addition* since it was only shown to be Buffy, Angel and Spike *initially*. At least that's my impression.

    I don't sense a deliberate attempt at misdirection by the fandom. In my opinion it's the lack of transparency by the powers that be that has me wondering what's going on.

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    The only given thing about S8 is that nothing that is/was promised is a misdirect. ( For example - three issues of porn promise from Joss). But the catch is - it does not quite happen the way everybody assumes it will. Is this enough of a hint? Meaning - bitsy is not misleading. I promise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bitsyfest View Post
    I cannot believe the accusation that I would purposefully try to misdirect the people in my own fandom. I'm wounded. Hurt, even.
    Why? It would be clever and fun and there would be so much more awesome drama!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dorotea View Post
    The only given thing about S8 is that nothing that is/was promised is a misdirect. ( For example - three issues of porn promise from Joss). But the catch is - it does not quite happen the way everybody assumes it will. Is this enough of a hint? Meaning - bitsy is not misleading. I promise.
    Fine. So based on your signature...the Anointed is Angel who will betray Buffy and lead her into Hell. Angel kills Buffy. Now that would be a shocker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DorothyFan1 View Post
    Fine. So based on your signature...the Anointed is Angel who will betray Buffy and lead her into Hell. Angel kills Buffy. Now that would be a shocker.
    Nuh - that would be too painless. Smirk.
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    Angel kills Dawn and then Xander kills Angel and then Buffy kills Xander and then Willow kills Buffy and then Spike kills Willow and then Giles kills Spike! It all makes sense, at last!

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    Quote Originally Posted by meiter View Post
    Angel kills Dawn and then Xander kills Angel and then Buffy kills Xander and then Willow kills Buffy and then Spike kills Willow and then Giles kills Spike! It all makes sense, at last!
    Leading to...the Giles series called Ripper. Or a take on Charlie's Angels called...Giles' Slayers. The first part of your comment would fulfill the dream sequence in what's that episode name?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bitsyfest View Post
    I cannot believe the accusation that I would purposefully try to misdirect the people in my own fandom. I'm wounded. Hurt, even.
    And I can't believe that after having the great fortune of reading it early THAT was all you could say...COME ON! Give us something to really think about. Or dread.

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    Just a few more hours to go before getting my hands on this issue. Can't wait to see this "surprise" death. If it's Willow...I will gladly say *goodbye* to the Buffyverse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DorothyFan1 View Post
    Just a few more hours to go before getting my hands on this issue. Can't wait to see this "surprise" death. If it's Willow...I will gladly say *goodbye* to the Buffyverse.
    I'm pretty damn excited myself now. These final issues of both Buffy and Angel are getting me jumpy. I'll try and get out to the comic store before school tomorrow and pick them up. Can't wait to see what happens!

    And Dorothy, would you really say goodbye to the series? That seems an awful waste to spend so much money on something and then quit it all because a character dies. Whoever bites the bullet, it is definitely going to change the show dramatically but maybe if they have a good death (if that's possible) then it will be semi alright... It's ballsy and dangerous, but there have been shows that have done things like that before and it ended up okay. So please don't lose faith alright hun?

    I just want to know who dies at this point. I still can't believe they're even going to do it. I'm sure it's either Dawn or Xander now, but hopefully it's Dawn. Don't get me wrong, especially after how much she's grown up this season I honestly love her to death (no pun intended ) but looking at past Joss patterns and the way he works she'll probably go.

    Or that's just my inner-fanboy trying to tell me he still wouldn't break up the core four...

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