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    I'm now halfway through Capaldi's era. I know change is such an integral part of DW...I am just not a person that enjoys change! I get so attached! That said, I know that change is so critical to DW surviving all these years as a show. It must be allowed to change.

    I did eventually grow to appreciate Ten. I wasn't sad to see him go, though...not like I was with Nine. I ended up not liking Rose much in series 2. She seemed really different to Rose in series 1, and I didn't like her chemistry with David. I actually thought it was better with Chris, but I seem to be in the minority, there. There are many episodes of David's that I loved, character moments that I loved, etc., but I really hated how much Ten didn't want to go. I found it to be VERY unflattering to the Doctor. It made him look so much less, somehow, to the previous Doctors who faced their regeneration with more courage.

    I loved Eleven. Loved him. I was frustrated with the writing, though, basically the further on in Eleven's run we went. I treasured series 5, struggled through parts of series 6, and started to lose interest in series 7. But overall, I always treasured Matt Smith's Doctor, the way he could play such an immature, childish character, and yet be believable as an old, old man in a young man's body. I loved his ease around children. I know many didn't like this aspect of his character, but I loved how attached he got to his humans. He was such a sentimental character. Anyway. I really miss him, despite all the missteps story wise. I cried when he left, and again when he phoned Clara in 8x01.

    I'm having a hard time with Capaldi's Doctor. I find him to be fairly "fun" to watch. But I miss Eleven's gentleness and tender heart. I often felt uplifted and happy after watching Eleven, and Twelve doesn't give me those warm and fuzzy feelings. I hope by the end of his run, he'll have grown on me like the other Doctors did (even Ten).

    Once I catch up to the newest episodes, I plan to go back and watch Classic Who. I really love this show, even when I'm confused, lol. I love the sense of adventure and awe, the sense of morality, the optimism about human potential, etc. At its best, for me, it gives me similar happy feelings to the way I feel watching BtVS...which is a rare thing.
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    Anyone seen the Christmas special? What did everyone think? I have loved Capaldi as the Doctor so am sad to see him go, but I am incredibly excited to see where the new Doctor will take the show. Opening her reign as the Doctor with the Tardis crashing could be seen as a misogynist comment on women's driving, but I'll let it pass for now.

    The Christmas story was very seasonal, encompassing the singing of Christmas songs in the trenches of the First World War, which I thought was quite moving. Loved the First Doctor, and seeing the old companions. When the First was told 'you can see her, I fully expected Susan to walk out and was a little disappointed it was Bill. Knew straight away Gatiss was going to be a Lethbridge Stewart, and thought that was a nice touch.

    Overall I really enjoyed the episode and although I'll miss Capaldi, I am looking forward to seeing what Whittaker will do

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    I really liked it as well. Even more so when I saw it in the cinema. No commercials and a crowd's reactions made it that much better.

    I found the crashing ending both fun and troubling. In a way, it's like the new showrunner Chris Chibnall is taunting outgoing showrunner Steven Moffat. "You thought you had a funny and dramatic opening with the TARDIS crashing? Well, watch this!" But the optics are bad. It could be seen as the TARDIS is rejecting the new female Doctor.

    I would have liked to have seen Susan appear to. Peter Capaldi gave an in-character emotional speech about not having gone back to see her when he spoke to kids at the Doctor Who Experience. I'd have thought that her return would be on Capaldi's bucket list.

    But I was also delighted to see Bill return. Pearl Mackie owns that part, and she's one of the best companions ever.

    I liked David Bradley as the first Doctor, but again it's problematic. I certainly get the meta-commentary of portraying the first Doctor as extremely sexist and holding 1960s attitudes. But the Doctor isn't a human from the 1960s, he's an alien from an advanced civilization where people can switch genders easily. Actor William Hartnell may have had old-fashioned attitudes. The people running the show may have been sexist (although not surely Doctor Who's first producer Verity Lambert -- a pioneer for women in TV). But the Doctor shouldn't be.

    It works partly because they have Bill there. I like her "Me too" retort to the First Doctor saying he has experience with "the fairer sexist", or how she treats the "smacked bottom" comment with a sense of absurdity.

    Peter Capaldi really hit his stride this year. He's going out on a high. But I'm also looking forward to Jodie Whittaker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PuckRobin View Post
    I really liked it as well. Even more so when I saw it in the cinema. No commercials and a crowd's reactions made it that much better.

    I found the crashing ending both fun and troubling. In a way, it's like the new showrunner Chris Chibnall is taunting outgoing showrunner Steven Moffat. "You thought you had a funny and dramatic opening with the TARDIS crashing? Well, watch this!" But the optics are bad. It could be seen as the TARDIS is rejecting the new female Doctor.

    I would have liked to have seen Susan appear to. Peter Capaldi gave an in-character emotional speech about not having gone back to see her when he spoke to kids at the Doctor Who Experience. I'd have thought that her return would be on Capaldi's bucket list.

    But I was also delighted to see Bill return. Pearl Mackie owns that part, and she's one of the best companions ever.

    I liked David Bradley as the first Doctor, but again it's problematic. I certainly get the meta-commentary of portraying the first Doctor as extremely sexist and holding 1960s attitudes. But the Doctor isn't a human from the 1960s, he's an alien from an advanced civilization where people can switch genders easily. Actor William Hartnell may have had old-fashioned attitudes. The people running the show may have been sexist (although not surely Doctor Who's first producer Verity Lambert -- a pioneer for women in TV). But the Doctor shouldn't be.

    It works partly because they have Bill there. I like her "Me too" retort to the First Doctor saying he has experience with "the fairer sexist", or how she treats the "smacked bottom" comment with a sense of absurdity.

    Peter Capaldi really hit his stride this year. He's going out on a high. But I'm also looking forward to Jodie Whittaker.
    How did you get to see it in the cinema? That must have been a lot of fun.

    I hope Chibnall didn't mean to make is seem that the Tardis was rejecting the new doctor, but that's a very interesting idea and one I hadn't thought of. But it is very early in the run and I am giving them the benefit of the doubt until I see where they are going with the story. I would hope some of Chibnall's associates would have raised this issue with him prior to filming, so hopefully the explanation won't focus on the Doctors change of sex.

    I liked Bill, but I didn't love her. I know Clara wasn't popular, but I much preferred her to Bill. I agree that it was a little anachronistic, but it did fit with who the Doctor was in the 1960's and how he was written back then.

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    Since Day of the Doctor, a lot of the Doctor Who event stories have one or two day cinema runs. They also included two making-of documentaries to pad out the length. But it lacked the fun cinema-only opening comedy routines of Day of The Doctor and Deep Breath.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Iiiyf5r-WX4

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oMEo10UAcvM

    I did like Clara's cameo in the Christmas Special.It was a nice little moment. (And apparently tough to get Jenna Coleman for even a short time due to her busy schedule.)

    Thinking about, the quirks of the individual visiting Doctors are always magnified for the multi-Doctor stories. The First Doctor becomes grumpier than usual, because he's the grumpy one. The Second Doctor becomes more clownish, etc. So this more-sexist-than-he-was-in-the-1960s depiction is in keeping with that. (I think the First Doctor had a very high opinion of one of his first companions, Barbara. She was smart and capable like the modern companions.)

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    Thanks for the links PuckRobin, they were great

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    I thought the special was okay, but irritated the hell outta me that they wrote the first Doctor in such a misleading way. He really wasn't that sexist even back then. Thats Moffat trying to tear down the past to me the future look better as per.

    I will miss Peter a great deal. I adored his Doctor and though he was served very badly by poor scripts and the BBC deciding to turf him out before his time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver1 View Post
    I will miss Peter a great deal. I adored his Doctor and though he was served very badly by poor scripts and the BBC deciding to turf him out before his time.
    Capaldi was a great doctor, and I think history will show that. I loved his performance and I loved the fact that he was a true Doctor Who fan, who'd loved the show prior to getting the role.

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    I'm sort of late into the Doctor Who thing in general -- thank BBCA for running reruns reliably in the AM that I turned to when I finally couldn't even tolerate Charmed as background noise -- but I'm honestly a little unclear why they recast so often. For one, it actually makes the Doctor's longevity seem a little implausible -- he's hundreds upon hundreds of years old, on paper only had the 12 lives until he got a one-up later. But it's like he goes on a very rotten run of bad luck and has to regenerate once every few years of late? But also, since the fans react to each regeneration like they are losing a loved one, what's the rush? I know it's not always that the actor has gone on to bigger or better things, right? In the modern cycle, have any of them left because they were just kinda done with it themselves? Eccleston maybe? Will we be right here doing this again in 2020 with YouTube reactors sobbing as Jodie Whittaker gives her speech about proper Doctoring, and if so, why would it be for any other reason other than she had another job or the showrunner thought it had gone poorly (out of story ideas, poor ratings, what have you)?

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    Well going by my friend who has insider knowledge in this case poor old Capaldi was asked to leave. Partly because incoming show runner Chibnal wanted a new broom sweeps clean approach to the series and also because ratings had been dropping since he took over and (imo) unfairly put that on him being 'an old man' rather then the writing being pretty poor.

    I suspected this was the case, but got really quite angry when I had my suspicions confirmed. Capaldi is a great little actor and I feel his doctor was poorly served.

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    I could take him or leave him (capaldi). Of course, there is a lot about the Doctor that is a tough sell for me*. I do think he was the right Doctor for wrapping up River Song's story in that lovely Christmas special. Him being more of an age with Ms. Kingston gave their last scenes more gravity. And his line reading on the "... there is a song" thing just wrecks me, because I hear an effort at an 'i love you' in that, some hint that the monolith can indeed. But overall I agree they didn't give him enough interesting to do.

    Of the modern run, the sense I get is that only Eleven came about with any clear narrative flow and purpose and arc to play out. Two, even, since he's got most of the River Song stuff but mainly the mega-arc leading to Trenzalore. I think that hurt Twelve more than anything, because for Twelve I don't really think they went very serialized with it and as a result all his stories felt more ephemeral. To me, anyway. Eleven's seasons were heavily serialized to my viewing.

    I think Tennant had the most natural charisma and range in the role, though. Both the Library two-parter and "Waters of Wars" are tour de force by him.



    *So, he survives by wits and guile, runs from things, etc, talking his way out of trouble -- all that I get, it's all very Ford Prefect IMO. But he often, even largely, does this by trading on a reputation as this bad-ass who can one-handedly wreck all the fools... except it's implausible that he ever gained that reputation if his whole schtick is... running away and talking. It's a snake eating its own tail, character-design wise. I get the hint of his "road to Damascus" backstory, sure, but at no point do you get the sense that even during the Time War he was this Achilles, this Leonida, this Neo meets the Terminator meets John Wick badass to acquire the reputation. It sticks out to me literally every time an episode is resolving along the "don't you know who I am?" lines.

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    Just heard this about Doctor Who Season 11

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    Captain Jack and Gwen Cooper are both in the first episode of the new season. Just so weird that we were talking about Captain Jack in the fanfic section today

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    Quote Originally Posted by Priceless View Post
    Just heard this about Doctor Who Season 11

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    Captain Jack and Gwen Cooper are both in the first episode of the new season. Just so weird that we were talking about Captain Jack in the fanfic section today
    You were - I don't like him. Any mention of the other one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TriBel View Post
    You were - I don't like him. Any mention of the other one?
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    Do you mean Bradley Walsh? Then yes, he's definitely in the show

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    I am excited to see the new Doctor tonight Must admit I'm also a bit excited to see what Bradley Walsh brings to the show

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    Loved it.
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    Jodie was fantastic, loved her jumping from the crane. I loved Bradley Walsh in his West Ham scarf, he made me cry. Loved that it was set in the North. Just all so good

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    I watched it - I've had to write this because I'm not sure I can do just a spoiler!

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    Liked it on the whole (though I've seen Jodie's accent mislabeled several times). She was good - clearly channeling the earlier Doctors - it'll be nice to see her become her own person. LOL! - the clothes - straight from the "Playschool" dressing up box! I half expected her to disappear through "the round window". BW was more dour than I expected - (too long spent in Yorkshire?). Not sure about the companions yet and the script was a bit weak but they've obviously spent money elsewhere - the alien was genuinely scary! Where's she parked the Tardis? I lost my car on a car park today but it's not quite as obvious as a blue police box!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TriBel View Post
    I watched it - I've had to write this because I'm not sure I can do just a spoiler!

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    Liked it on the whole (though I've seen Jodie's accent mislabeled several times). She was good - clearly channeling the earlier Doctors - it'll be nice to see her become her own person. LOL! - the clothes - straight from the "Playschool" dressing up box! I half expected her to disappear through "the round window". BW was more dour than I expected - (too long spent in Yorkshire?). Not sure about the companions yet and the script was a bit weak but they've obviously spent money elsewhere - the alien was genuinely scary! Where's she parked the Tardis? I lost my car on a car park today but it's not quite as obvious as a blue police box!
    I agree
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    It was far more serious than I expected, but I liked that. I liked Grace's death, that made me cry even though it was expected. The only thing I really disliked was when she stuck her finger up her nose, that was just gross, but I bet the kids liked it. Didn't you think it was quite empowering? I loved her jumping to the next crane 'if you want something doing, do it yourself' (or similar line) which I really loved. I was so happy to see it set in Sheffield rather than London. I just loved it!


    I'm going to watch it again tomorrow, and I might change my opinion after a second watch.

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    These are the things I liked (apart from Jodie). TBH, I stopped forgetting she was female - is that a good thing or a bad thing? The nose thing?

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    The Peak District; the pettiness of the bike in the tree; Ryan running against the stereotype of a black athlete; The steam punky goggles - how can you look cute in goggles?


    Things I think there'll be moans about from the more right wing press (The Guardian liked it - both ATL and BTL).*

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    The demographic of Sheffield; that the women were more capable than the men


    Oh...I'm gonna be really suspicious the next time I see a half-eaten kebab!

    *LOL! I shouldn't laugh but I've just visited the comments section of a well-known English newspaper. They're so predictable.
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    I liked it, even though I found It all rather bland and predictable. Definitely nothing we haven't seen before, but as we know It takes time for a new Doctor to settle in, so I'm hoping for better down the line.

    I'm afraid I found the young black bloke to be incredibly personality free sadly. Like he's fallen out of an episode of 'Class'.

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