Willow Relations

[basakbangel]

It won't be complicated, don't worry. All I'm saying is choose selection that fits your thought

[Anon]

You misspelled 'lesbian'.

[omri]

I really don't care who she's with. But i did like her a little bit more with tara. what i want to say is if she would be with tara but came back to Oz i wouldn't mind really.

[amy1234]

I loved willow when she was with tara, i dont know what it was but i thought she really helped tara (because she was really shy at first) and devolped alot with her through her magics to another side of willow which we all love.

[basakbangel]

I loved Willow so It's not going to be easy but, I loved her straight especially with Oz. But that doesn't mean I didn't love her with Tara. I did love her with Tara too but not my first place. As amy1234 said Willow helped Tara a lot with her self-development. and that's important.

[vampmogs]

I liked when Willow was straight, not because of her sexuality but because this just happened to be the time period I enjoyed her character most in. I loved Willow throughout all seven series, she is one of my faves. However, I found her most enjoyable during the highschool years, in particular s3. Whether or not this had anything to do with her being straight or gay, well I don't believe so, but I liked her best then.

[basakbangel]

I liked when Willow was straight, not because of her sexuality but because this just happened to be the time period I enjoyed her character most in. I loved Willow throughout all seven series, she is one of my faves. However, I found her most enjoyable during the highschool years, in particular s3. Whether or not this had anything to do with her being straight or gay, well I don't believe so, but I liked her best then.

Yes! I loved her nerdy, funny and enjoyable look.. Also helpful and ready to do her best. In season 2 and 3 I really loved the fact that she is not shy as season 1 . I think It was the balance she didn't have that much problems and I could feel it clearly that she was way happier than later seasons. She was the "optimistic", talented high school girl. With Oz she was happier cuter and maybe because of the less problems.

[vampmogs]

Yes! I loved her nerdy, funny and enjoyable look.. Also helpful and ready to do her best. In season 2 and 3 I really loved the fact that she is not shy as season 1 . I think It was the balance she didn't have that much problems and I could feel it clearly that she was way happier than later seasons. She was the "optimistic", talented high school girl. With Oz she was happier cuter and maybe because of the less problems.

Exactly. It had nothing to do with her sexual preferences but how she acted in the time she was 'straight.' Realising she liked women did change her character, IMO not always for the best. This has nothing to do with her being gay, I don't have a problem with that and it always felt very natural to me. However, just the way she spoke and acted changed, not a bad or unrealistic thing but I just liked s3 Willow better. One scene that always sticks in my mind is the opening scene of Faith Hope and Trick when Oz and Xander have to drag her across the road of Sunnydale High because she was to scared to use her senior privellages of having lunch outside of school grounds. I loved this Willow, she is just great.

[basakbangel]

Exactly. It had nothing to do with her sexual preferences but how she acted in the time she was 'straight.' Realising she liked women did change her character, IMO not always for the best. This has nothing to do with her being gay, I don't have a problem with that and it always felt very natural to me. However, just the way she spoke and acted changed, not a bad or unrealistic thing but I just liked s3 Willow better. One scene that always sticks in my mind is the opening scene of Faith Hope and Trick when Oz and Xander have to drag her across the road of Sunnydale High because she was to scared to use her senior privellages of having lunch outside of school grounds. I loved this Willow, she is just great.

Yes, I do remember that scene too which the is great scene that shows me the Willow I love too. I don't have any problem with her "being-gay" but still she wasn't the old Willow(I don't understand but some things changed with her actions and reactions. She was funnier in s3 or s2 and maybe the very begining of s4. Wasn't she happier and funnier? I think she was. Also, I don't have any problems with Tara but with Tara, Willow's developments and changes started in a different way. Sometimes I miss seasons, episodes and characters to watch. And I miss the s2 or s3 Willow.:D :D

[vampmogs]

Yes, I do remember that scene too which the is great scene that shows me the Willow I love too. I don't have any problem with her "being-gay" but still she wasn't the old Willow(I don't understand but some things changed with her actions and reactions. She was funnier in s3 or s2 and maybe the very begining of s4. Wasn't she happier and funnier? I think she was. Also, I don't have any problems with Tara but with Tara, Willow's developments and changes started in a different way. Sometimes I miss seasons, episodes and characters to watch. And I miss the s2 or s3 Willow.:D :D

She did seem more carefree and happy but then again, so did all the other characters back then. Willow was def happier at the start of s4 but a lot of her sudden change was because of Oz and not Tara. She did change quite a lot in the way she acted, Willow would never say such things as "baby" like she did in later years, her persona changed completely. To be expected but I just prefer old Willow, though I love them both.

[basakbangel]

She did seem more carefree and happy but then again, so did all the other characters back then. Willow was def happier at the start of s4 but a lot of her sudden change was because of Oz and not Tara. She did change quite a lot in the way she acted, Willow would never say such things as "baby" like she did in later years, her persona changed completely. To be expected but I just prefer old Willow, though I love them both.

Yes, you're right. It was because of Oz, I remembered right now that she was acting awkard when Oz left her to go to Tibet. And the "awkardness" didn't change until Tara. Although she met Tara, her personallity already changed and there was nothing to do with it. Baby? yes, just think of a s2 Willow; saying "baby":D . Although the reason was Oz, I just loved her more with Oz. Maybe It's because I loved less-mature Willow more, not the "woman". But as you said I lOVE Willow character a lot-really. One of my favourites. Maybe my favourite but like you I prefer old Willow.

[Dark Ages]

I just love Willow no matter what. Who she dates doesn’t make her a different person. Willow is still the same Willow when she dated males and females. That’s why I like Willow so much she did grow darker as the series progressed but she still had that goofy, funny side to her. Like I said before Willow is great no matter who she dates.

[Veverka]

Willow's development (unfortunately) mirrored Buffy's to a large degree- by which I mean; the loss of innocence shaped her into a darker person.

Actually, I think Willow is more like Faith than Buffy in that regard- she believes she can touch the darkness but not get caught up in it, which Buffy doesn't- she is afraid of (for example) what being with Spike will mean for her, what taking 'extra' demon doses will do for her- she's all too aware of the loss of humanity which I think Willow (Ms. Quickfix) is not so aware of.

My point is, I don't think the changes in Willow's character are shaped by who she's with, or their gender. Tara was a witch who supported (initially) the exploration into the magics, which Oz (werewolf) did not. Natural progression from a school relationship to a uni relationship- more doors are opened, more boundaries crossed. Oz had had more of a taste of the dark, being a werewolf, was more aware of the potential for power backfiring, therefore urged Willow to be more cautious. Tara had (my interpretation) only used magic for good and didn't in her heart believe it could be bad, in spite of her family enforcing that mindset upon her.

My bottom line is that I agree with the many who've suggested Willow's preference of partner is not relevant to them in terms of the person's gender. I quite agree both (not counting Kennedy coz I don't wanna go there in this post!) partners are of relevance to her development, however.

[basakbangel]

Willow's development (unfortunately) mirrored Buffy's to a large degree- by which I mean; the loss of innocence shaped her into a darker person.

Actually, I think Willow is more like Faith than Buffy in that regard- she believes she can touch the darkness but not get caught up in it, which Buffy doesn't- she is afraid of (for example) what being with Spike will mean for her, what taking 'extra' demon doses will do for her- she's all too aware of the loss of humanity which I think Willow (Ms. Quickfix) is not so aware of.

My point is, I don't think the changes in Willow's character are shaped by who she's with, or their gender. Tara was a witch who supported (initially) the exploration into the magics, which Oz (werewolf) did not. Natural progression from a school relationship to a uni relationship- more doors are opened, more boundaries crossed. Oz had had more of a taste of the dark, being a werewolf, was more aware of the potential for power backfiring, therefore urged Willow to be more cautious. Tara had (my interpretation) only used magic for good and didn't in her heart believe it could be bad, in spite of her family enforcing that mindset upon her.

My bottom line is that I agree with the many who've suggested Willow's preference of partner is not relevant to them in terms of the person's gender. I quite agree both (not counting Kennedy coz I don't wanna go there in this post!) partners are of relevance to her development, however.

I agree with you, yes. But the development happend when she was with Tara.In s3 she was into magic but with Tara, Willow felt the power and energy so she couldn't control it. Yes, Tara was using her power for good things but Willow couldn't control it which was the begining of her darker side. And after Oz left she wanted to use her power to do smth to satisfiy herself.

[selenspuffy]

I love Wil in every type, so just Willow! (I don't care about what she chooses I just love Willow ) :D Wil is the fave caracter of mine she's great-always!

[Willow's Tara]

I actually think many of the characters were shaped by someone from season 1 to 7 (Even Tara/Oz and they were only around for about three seasons, Tara looked different by the end of it all, althought Oz still looked the same but this isn't about looks).
Plus wasn't Oz her first real boyfriend? Then when he broke it off and she went into deeper magic (Of course this stage she didn't know she was doing the spell), but when Tara had died Willow went over the edge (Wouldn't be surprised if she thought she was cursed, but then that Buffy's job with Angel;)).
I shiver at what could happen if Kennedy died or broke up with her, Willow (Literally like a goddess by the end of season 7) could end up destroying the entire world..

[Ben]

I just basically loved Willow.

I like Tara more though, so yeah she was in my eyes better as a lesbian but Ive voted for the I just love Willow choice.

[NileQT87]

i liked early nerdy willow. the one that had her mother pick out her outfit from the softer side of sears. computer nerd willow. shy willow who lusted after xander or dated oz. one of her best moments was in innocence where she catches xander and cordelia and does her outburst and then of course she is threatened by angelus in the hallway.

i like evil-willow, too, but nerd-willow is my favorite. so, yes. i chose "straight willow" a.k.a. seasons 1-3 willow.

[Wolfie Gilmore]

I'm coming to like season 7 Willow best. But not a particular fan of the Kennedy relationship. So, probably think that Willow's relationships aren't that relevant to how much I like her. Didn't like Oz much, so their time on screen together didn't interest me much, but it didn't make me dislike her. Though enjoyed her meltdown after he left (that makes me sound mean doesn't it?). But, Something Blue! Fun!

[KingofCretins]

My question is whether or not people would take it as a betrayal of some kind by Joss if Willow were to become involved with a man again.

[Veverka]

Good question KoC... I think generally, yes, there are many who would take it as a betrayal. Certainly my impression from being an Ani DiFranco fan- she sings many songs that talk about loving women- is that many felt betrayed when she married a man...

Personally, no, I wouldn't take it as betrayal... because my beliefs are that sexuality is fluid, and ever changing, and I also believe many people fall in love with a particular person, rather than a 'man' or 'woman'. I don't see, for example, Willow's relationship with Tara in any way giving the Oz relationship less cred- but I can see how one might. In the same way, should Willow fall in love with a man again, I would not see that as any loss of credibility of the Tillow relationship, or the Killow 'ship, even.

[KingofCretins]

See, I could see it happening, is why I ask. Or at least be explored again, especially with Oz's return coming up in Season 8 -- you know there are unresolved feelings there for him at least.

I find the idea that people would be angry pretty disappointing.

[redrevo]

See, I could see it happening, is why I ask. Or at least be explored again, especially with Oz's return coming up in Season 8 -- you know there are unresolved feelings there for him at least.

I find the idea that people would be angry pretty disappointing.

I think people would definitely get mad - not just because of how it would affect the GLBT community but because Joss has said clearly many times that Willow is gay, period. There's been one borderline retcon about this already, and there's no way at all that bringing back a man would rectify the situation, because there really is no way to fix it. Obvious mistakes were made, unless you try really hard to "read between the lines" through the first three seasons. The only way to not screw everything up even more royally than they already have is to be consistent with Willow's sexuality through the rest of any continuations.

[Veverka]

See, I could see it happening, is why I ask. Or at least be explored again, especially with Oz's return coming up in Season 8 -- you know there are unresolved feelings there for him at least.

I find the idea that people would be angry pretty disappointing.

Is that fact, or a rumour that Oz is coming back? Coz I hadn't heard that, actually. I'm not the kind to avoid spoilers, usually :D

I think people would definitely get mad - not just because of how it would affect the GLBT community but because Joss has said clearly many times that Willow is gay, period. There's been one borderline retcon about this already, and there's no way at all that bringing back a man would rectify the situation, because there really is no way to fix it. Obvious mistakes were made, unless you try really hard to "read between the lines" through the first three seasons. The only way to not screw everything up even more royally than they already have is to be consistent with Willow's sexuality through the rest of any continuations.

See, that's almost the exact opposite of how I feel!!! See, as said above, I think sexuality is something that changes, moves, grows, becomes... and if Willow was at a point where she fell in love with a person, such as Oz, then I do not actually think it would be retconning, instead, just a character change/development.

While it's true that the 'gay now' line was used, I think it was used more for kicks than for an absolute summary of Willow's sexuality, now and forever... can any one person sum up their sexuality in two words? In New Moon Rising, Willow didn't say: "I can't be with you Oz because you have a penis, and I no longer like said appendages", rather, she said (paraphrased!) "I can't be with you because I love someone else".

I am going to make a huge judgment type thing here, then step back, avoid tomatoes, etc: I think there are sorta two camps- people who have simply never questioned their sexuality (It never occured to them that they could be attracted to the same gender, or the opposite, even: what they felt is what they felt, full stop.) and those that did, a lot, and do, a lot, and therefore feel that they can understand Willow's point of view as being non total definition.

[redrevo]

I am going to make a huge judgment type thing here, then step back, avoid tomatoes, etc: I think there are sorta two camps- people who have simply never questioned their sexuality (It never occured to them that they could be attracted to the same gender, or the opposite, even: what they felt is what they felt, full stop.) and those that did, a lot, and do, a lot, and therefore feel that they can understand Willow's point of view as being non total definition.

That's fine, and that would mean that ultimately she is capable of being attracted to both genders and therefore bisexual, but Joss was so very non-subtle - even making such comments as "we think it really would be disingenuous of us to have her be anything less than gay" - so Joss (and Willow) are making comments about Willow being definitive, even if/though she really isn't - which is a contradiction in itself.

[spuffylove147]

I don't think it matters what sexuality Willow is. I've loved all her relationships for one reason or another. The only thing that bothered me about her turning 'completely' gay is that I felt like it robbed something from her relationship with Oz. Now in "New Moon Rising" I felt they handled it really well, but it was the 'gay now' stuff that slightly urked me. I just find it hard to believe that she was completely straight and then completely gay. Though I suppose television often takes a big leap when exploring bisexuality, and whenever I've seen it done, I feel like they did it wrong. But that's beside the point.

I just love Willow. Her relationship with Oz was beautiful as was her relationship with Tara. I was happy when both started and sad when both ended (consequently leaving me running in circles during "New Moon Rising" lol).

[selenspuffy]

I love Oz&Willow, they were so cute together! Oz is a great character and they are like each other, both nerds, and shy:) On the other hand, Tara was Wil's true love and they loved each other so much and I love them as a couple too!

Willow being lesbian is not so important for me, I love her in every way, but the one that she'll be with should be okay for her! Not like Kennedy, she wasn't good enough for Willow..but Tara was different..the important thing is personality;)

[KingofCretins]

Veverka, Oz is supposedly coming back, although I don't know if it's to be a regular character or not. I would hope he'd come back full time, since his character was that awesome. Maybe we can hope he'll reappear in 8.10?

[sherrilina]

I liked when Willow was straight, not because of her sexuality but because this just happened to be the time period I enjoyed her character most in. I loved Willow throughout all seven series, she is one of my faves. However, I found her most enjoyable during the highschool years, in particular s3. Whether or not this had anything to do with her being straight or gay, well I don't believe so, but I liked her best then.
Well yeah, I also enjoyed Willow in earlier seasons more than later ones--but I enjoy W/T better than W/O--so I picked the lesbian option. Though I think she clearly was bisexual all along, and never truly straight, as you can hardly switch sexualities like that so quickly and suddenly!

My question is whether or not people would take it as a betrayal of some kind by Joss if Willow were to become involved with a man again.
Well, since I think she's bisexual, then no...it would be perfectly logical for her to go back to guys.

[alexa]

Willow is my favourite character (altho some days it's Buffy or Faith :p) and I don't care if she's gay or straight... but now that I voted for that if they suddenly made her straight again with little explanation I think I'd be pissed off somewhat. At the time of season4 I wasn't down with her changing her sexuality but Tara and their relationship gradually grew on me, and now I wouldn't have it any other way. I do also love Oz, but yep if he turned up again, and Willow's all 'ok I like boys again' I'd wonder what show I was watching... or comic reading that is :p And the more I type about it the less I see that happening.

[vampmogs]

Well, since I think she's bisexual, then no...it would be perfectly logical for her to go back to guys.

I agree, but there seems to be some on the fandom who do see it as betrayal because they feel that it is a betrayal to Tara in some way. I don't personally understand this though, I don't see it as a betrayal to Oz that Willow started dating a woman and IMO it shouldn't be seen as a betrayal to Tara if she got into a relationship with a man again.

[sherrilina]

I agree, but there seems to be some on the fandom who do see it as betrayal because they feel that it is a betrayal to Tara in some way. I don't personally understand this though, I don't see it as a betrayal to Oz that Willow started dating a woman and IMO it shouldn't be seen as a betrayal to Tara if she got into a relationship with a man again.
Perhaps though it would seem to be a betrayal of Tara if she got together not with any man, but with the same man she was dating before Tara--kind of like if Willow had gotten with Oz in New Moon Rising. In that way I can see her getting back with Oz as a kind of betrayal of Tara....but as a general principle sexuality-speaking, no.

[vampmogs]

Perhaps though it would seem to be a betrayal of Tara if she got together not with any man, but with the same man she was dating before Tara--kind of like if Willow had gotten with Oz in New Moon Rising. In that way I can see her getting back with Oz as a kind of betrayal of Tara....but as a general principle sexuality-speaking, no.

I can definitly see what your saying with that and to some people I think this could be why they see it as betrayal. However, as you point out in 'New Moon Rising' Willow DID NOT choose Oz when he came back.

If Oz had never returned until after Tara's death it could be constrewed that Tara was conveniant because Oz had left, and therefore it is seen as a betrayal to Tara if Willow got back with Oz because it was like this is what she was always waiting for.

However, Oz came back and Willow chose Tara over him, it was her she wanted to be in a relationship with. So IMO it demonstrates she did indeed wanted to spend her life with Tara and wasn't just waiting for Oz to return.

[Southpaw]

Like many others, I really enjoyed Willow during the high school years. She could funny, insecure, nerdy and lovable all at the same time. And I love one of the first scenes Oz shows interest in her and says, "Who's that girl?...Not her, the eskimo." This of course was the scene from "Inca Mummy Girl" during the cultural celebration when Willow dressed up as an Eskimo.

I think Willow grew and developed more as a person during her relationship with Tara, but that probably also was due in part to her age and development into young adulthood.

Like others, I liked her both when she was straight and gay, and had no preference. But one of the things that hooked me on this show from the beginning was the goofy but sincere chemistry that Willow, Xander and Buffy had in high school.

[skinless]

I liked Dark Willow the Best. Off topic I know But im watching Season 5 right now and Im starting to like Willow and Tara, So I dont care I just Loved Willow.