Pregnant Buffy?!?!?

[Dark Ages]

:D I had a thread like this back at BW and I wanted it in here. What if Buffy became pregnant in the 5th season after Riley left. Do you guys think she could take care of it and would it work with in the show. :D

:s Well I think that would have actually made the show very interesting if that would have happened. Come on another slayer with a child, it could have worked in with Robin's storyline too in the 7th seasons. Well this is my opinion show what do u guys think?:s

[Ojuice5001]

I can see one likely problem with the idea of Buffy getting pregnant: She would have to take a break from any kind of slaying or fighting activities. Even a Slayer would be sure to damage her baby if she regularly engaged in deadly combat past in her third trimester. In this light, we should probably lean towards assuming that Nikki Wood wasn't called until after Robin had been born; things would be simpler that way.

[Dark Ages]

Nikki Wood wasn't called until after Robin had been born; things would be simpler that way.

That is a great thought, I think you might be right. I never thought about that before.

[omri]

I think that in the Tales of the slayers we see nikki without a chiled fighting a demon... after her bf or husband got killed by a monster.. she was pregnant after she got called.

any way... this is an intresting thought.. Buffy? pregnant? what if the baby would have been special,with powers and such? Too Charmed for me.. blah.
i think it would have been really not good for the show.

[Cordelia_Chase]

I dont think pregnant buffy would have wokred, thought iu have to admite i thought with in 7 seasons there should have been a pregnancy...Im liking the idea Of Xander and Anya...she wud be hillarious pregnant.

But pregnant buffy...i honestly dnt think she wud have kept it, esp if it was Rileys...and besides i doubt theyd make it a 'special' baby as Riley was basically human and Buffys powers were given to her.

I think a baby in BTVS would have worked, just not Buffy.

[vampmogs]

I can see one likely problem with the idea of Buffy getting pregnant: She would have to take a break from any kind of slaying or fighting activities. Even a Slayer would be sure to damage her baby if she regularly engaged in deadly combat past in her third trimester. In this light, we should probably lean towards assuming that Nikki Wood wasn't called until after Robin had been born; things would be simpler that way.

Unless your of Sideny Bristow of course in which fighting doesn't seem to be a major problem :roll:

I don't think it would have worked, I think it would have been like the potentials. Neat on paper but in practice it would crumble. Too much would happen, imagine s6 with Buffy looking after Dawn, trying to get a job and taking care of her baby. Yikes.

[KingofCretins]

I think a Buffy pregnancy would have brought about the show's cancellation at the end of whatever season it was. Not only is it one of the most absurd "jump the shark" moments possible, it would have opened the door for great controversy.

[SarahRegi]

Buffy as a Mom? don't think so... doesn't work for me.
maybe in another 10 yrs from now in comic form, but in tv? that would be a no no, she was still too young and unprepared(or not mature enough) to take care of an infant.

[ykickamoocow]

I dont think Joss would have chosen to have Buffy pregnant but if Sarah got pregnant during the shows run then i guess he wouldnt have had a choice. Some shows they can hide a actresses pregnancy but i dont think Buffy would be one of them.

[vampmogs]

I think a Buffy pregnancy would have brought about the show's cancellation at the end of whatever season it was. Not only is it one of the most absurd "jump the shark" moments possible, it would have opened the door for great controversy.

I'm curious as to what way it would have opened the door for great controversy? What do you mean by this?

I don't think it'd really be classified as "jumping the shark." Buffy was about one girl growing up and being strong, when girls grow up they do on occasion fall pregnant. I think with Joss at the helm it could potentially work, although I'd rather not see it. However, if someone like Noxon was running the show like s7 then I think it'd be an A grade disaster.

[Veverka]

I dont think Joss would have chosen to have Buffy pregnant but if Sarah got pregnant during the shows run then i guess he wouldnt have had a choice. Some shows they can hide a actresses pregnancy but i dont think Buffy would be one of them.

Mmm, well, in Buffy half (an exageration but I'm making a point) of the character of Buffy is played by a stunt double, so yeah, good filming would surely mean that SMG could be filmed neck up and stunt double could do the kicky stuff?! *admits she knows **** about 'good filming'*

[ykickamoocow]

Mmm, well, in Buffy half (an exageration but I'm making a point) of the character of Buffy is played by a stunt double, so yeah, good filming would surely mean that SMG could be filmed neck up and stunt double could do the kicky stuff?! *admits she knows **** about 'good filming'*

I dont know alot about filming either but i do think it would be very hard to cover up. Ive seen dailies of Sarah in battle scenes and while her stunt double does alot Sarah does still play a large role in the action sequences.

[KingofCretins]

Mogs, go to the jump the shark website -- pregnancy is an entire category. It's a notorious shark jumping moment for any TV show.

I'm curious as to what way it would have opened the door for great controversy? What do you mean by this?

Use your imagination -- it's already come up once on the thread. A Buffy pregnancy would have started a huge fight between, very likely, the network, two different sets of fans, Joss, and the media.

[digitalMindy]

I had started to write a fic about Buffy getting preggers post season 7 but didn't finish because I lost interest. Way off topic but I'm just saying that it's not out of the question. She has sex right? So the possibility of getting pregnant is there. And I'm surprised this was an issue the writers never explored. You know, with a missed period storyline and ending with it being just a stress thing. But I don't think it wouldn't have worked. She's got her scoobies and the potentials to take up the slack for her and I'm sure that Willow could have cooked up a protection spell for waddling-like-a-duck-Buffy.
Buffy as a Mom? don't think so... she was still too young and unprepared(or not mature enough) to take care of an infant.Sex leads to babies. If Buffy wasn't ready for a baby, she shouldn't have been having sex. End of story.

[Fallen Angelus]

The problem with the "Buffy as Mom" scenario is that was part of the point of Dawn's introduction in Season 5. With Joyce gone, Dawn worked both to give Buffy another familial tie as well as to throw Buffy off the deep-end of being the "woman of the house."

As far as the legitimacy of a pregnancy storyline would've been, I'm not sure how that would've served the story. For one thing, it would have turned the "soap opera" factor to 11, which is definitely the last thing the show would've needed.

[ykickamoocow]

Another problem with a Buffy pregnancy storyline is it would have already been done by Angel with Darla and Cordelia and in my opinion both of those were done very badly. Darla's pregnancy introduced a extremely annoying character and was never fully explained and Cordelia's pregnancy destroyed her character.

[vampmogs]

Mogs, go to the jump the shark website -- pregnancy is an entire category. It's a notorious shark jumping moment for any TV show.

Commonly so is bringing in unheard of siblings to join the cast, which was a lot of fan's fears when they heard about the Dawn, but Btvs handled it very well.

Do you believe that Angel's pregnancy stories made that show 'jump the shark'? Darla's IMO was handled very well and whilst Cordy's was all a bit 'yuck' it didn't really make the show jump the shark IMO.

I also think Alias did quite well with Sidney’s pregnancy storyline.

Use your imagination -- it's already come up once on the thread. A Buffy pregnancy would have started a huge fight between, very likely, the network, two different sets of fans, Joss, and the media.

I don't think it would have caused any more controversy than Buffy's attempted rape or Willow turning gay and Joss still proceeded to go ahead with both stories even when it would cause fights between different sides of the fanbase.

[KingofCretins]

The attempted rape and Willow turning gay would have to be combined, along with having Cordy stay around and giving her a fetish that makes her lust after Oz in wolf form, before you could get a sense of the controversy that would have roared up around such a storyline. At least in the US where, right or wrong, most TV and movie success is made or broken.

I mean... this is a message board, a thread talking about a storyline that never did and presumably won't come up for Buffy, and it's such a hot button nobody has actually said the forbidden word yet despite at least four posts referring to it. That's a pretty strong indicator as well.

The Very Special Episode Where Buffy Gets Her Abortion would have stood a decent chance of getting the show cancelled midseason.

There's no abortion debate here. I'm just being frank about how quickly and definitively that topic would have gotten the show cancelled and probably cost the Buffy character her iconic status.

[vampmogs]

The attempted rape and Willow turning gay would have to be combined, along with having Cordy stay around and giving her a fetish that makes her lust after Oz in wolf form, before you could get a sense of the controversy that would have roared up around such a storyline. At least in the US where, right or wrong, most TV and movie success is made or broken.

What is so controversial with Buffy becoming pregnant? I really don't see the controversy, what we do know is that Willow turning gay caused major uproar and both Amber Benson and Joss Whedon got many a lot of hate mail for their participation in the storyline. There seems to be an assumption that Buffy would consider abortion, if so then I don't see how this would be any more controversial than Buffy nearly being raped, and it is of course an assumption. Personally, I don't believe Joss would ever take her character down that path.

I mean... this is a message board, a thread talking about a storyline that never did and presumably won't come up for Buffy, and it's such a hot button nobody has actually said the forbidden word yet despite at least four posts referring to it. That's a pretty strong indicator as well.

Abortion? If this is what you are referring to then I have no problem saying it. I don't believe Buffy would ever have an abortion, I don't believe Joss would ever allow her character to have an abortion. Sure it could happen, but Buffy could also have had the baby and become a strong successful mother as well; who's to say that couldn't have worked?

The Very Special Episode Where Buffy Gets Her Abortion would have stood a decent chance of getting the show cancelled midseason.

And we are assuming she would because?

There's no abortion debate here. I'm just being frank about how quickly and definitively that topic would have gotten the show cancelled and probably cost the Buffy character her iconic status.

Again why assume this would happen? I don't think it'd be in Buffy's character to ever get an abortion.

[SarahRegi]

I had started to write a fic about Buffy getting preggers post season 7 but didn't finish because I lost interest. Way off topic but I'm just saying that it's not out of the question. She has sex right? So the possibility of getting pregnant is there. And I'm surprised this was an issue the writers never explored. You know, with a missed period storyline and ending with it being just a stress thing. But I don't think it wouldn't have worked. She's got her scoobies and the potentials to take up the slack for her and I'm sure that Willow could have cooked up a protection spell for waddling-like-a-duck-Buffy.
Sex leads to babies. If Buffy wasn't ready for a baby, she shouldn't have been having sex. End of story.

you're missing my point. a lot of people have sex whatever their age are, but that doen't make them mature enough to be parents. sex doesn't make you better on anything.

come on! Buffy couldn't even take care of her little sister, so how would she care for a baby?

and don't get me wrong, i'm not saying that i would never want Buffy pregnant but i saw the way she lived life in the show and i never saw her as "mom" ready yet.

[vampmogs]

come on! Buffy couldn't even take care of her little sister, so how would she care for a baby?

Buffy took care of Dawn very well IMO. She fed and clothed her, doing everything on her own like paying the bills, doing the dishes and even taking the rubbish out (apparently nor Willow or Dawn felt they could do this) whilst saving the world. Buffy gave up her life for Dawn, protected her against Glory for months and tried to get her out of her hand before the final battle with the First. IMO Buffy was more like a single mum than a sister, so I think she could take care of a baby.

and don't get me wrong, i'm not saying that i would never want Buffy pregnant but i saw the way she lived life in the show and i never saw her as "mom" ready yet.

She was never ready to have to take care of Dawn all on her own, or run a household and get a full time job; heck she wasn't even ready to be the slayer. Yet, in the end she pulled through, I think she could do the same with her own child.

I'm not saying I want Buffy pregnant but I think it'd be an underestimation of her character to suggest she'd fail or be incapable at being a mother.

[SarahRegi]

i'm not stating that she "will" fail at all. my point is: she didn't look ready.

regarding Dawn though, how many times did Dawn complain about nobody paying attention to her. she was always so annoying about that.

in any case, i just remembered how Robin grew up, you know his mom being a slayer. that guy was traumatized. i much rather see a Buffy mom retired from slayer duties.

[vampmogs]

regarding Dawn though, how many times did Dawn complain about nobody paying attention to her. she was always so annoying about that.

Perhaps if Dawn took the rubbish out for Buffy instead of telling her it was trash day as if Buffy's hands were the only ones that could touch rubbish bags, got a part time job so that she could help her sister pay the bills and buy things instead of stealing them, Buffy would have more time to spend with Dawn. It isn't as if Buffy didn't make advances to spend time with her, in Dead Things she did and got rejected, in Entropy she did and got a snooty Dawn about Buffy's idea to go into the pet store.

in any case, i just remembered how Robin grew up, you know his mom being a slayer. that guy was traumatized. i much rather see a Buffy mom retired from slayer duties.

Because Nikki had been killed. It's as if Buffy can never have a child because she one day may be killed! I could not have a child if I was a proffesional sky diver because there is a higher chance than a normal person that I may be killed; but I'm not going to let the opportunity pass me by for something that may or may not happen.

Up until Chosen it was unforseeable that Buffy could have ever retired from being a slayer so that would have been never, and even after Chosen we now know Buffy still has obligations to find all the slayers and make sure they are safe.

[SarahRegi]

everybody's points are valid, and so are mine. i'm just stating what i would prefer.
i just think a baby would live happier with a mom that's 24/7 with them.

[vampmogs]

everybody's points are valid, and so are mine. i'm just stating what i would prefer.
i just think a baby would live happier with a mom that's 24/7 with them.

By stating my point I'm in no way saying your point isn't valid, I'm merely pointing out why I disagree. These are discussion boards where people are supposed to discuss the shows and their opinions, not state them and that be that.

[KingofCretins]

Mogs, whether Buffy would or wouldn't wasn't my point. But it's clear that a Pregnant Buffy story arc would raise the questions amongst fans, and once it's asked, it would be hell to pay no matter what the character did -- people would be coming out of the woodwork to declare that Joss was pandering no matter how the show dealt with the question, even if it never came up, because that would manage to offend people, too.

[SarahRegi]

By stating my point I'm in no way saying your point isn't valid, I'm merely pointing out why I disagree. These are discussion boards where people are supposed to discuss the shows and their opinions, not state them and that be that.

and who said that you said my point wasn't valid? i didn't say such a thing. i just said everyone's points are valid therefore i believe mine is also. i never said that you said the opposite. everytime i write something it's my opinion, i never say everyone has to stick with it.

i know what a discussion board is.

[vampmogs]

Mogs, whether Buffy would or wouldn't wasn't my point. But it's clear that a Pregnant Buffy story arc would raise the questions amongst fans, and once it's asked, it would be hell to pay no matter what the character did -- people would be coming out of the woodwork to declare that Joss was pandering no matter how the show dealt with the question, even if it never came up, because that would manage to offend people, too.

It likely could offend some people, just as the attempted rape was sure to offend people as well. However, if Buffy didn't have an abortion which I think is most likely there is no reason to suggest that the show would ever be cancelled by the seasons end. A lot of fans assumed the same thing when they heard Buffy's unheard of sister was coming onto the show but Joss handled that brilliantly. Mystical or not (I would vote not) I think Joss could craft it in a way that it would work wonders; this is of course assuming Joss was doing this and not Marti.

I think it'd be perfectly understandable that they would be strong reactions on both sides, just like at the time there was about Willow turning gay. However, IMO a show succeeds when it is thought provoking and that is exactly what Btvs is. Again drawing comparisons with Alias, there was no uproar after she was pregnant even when the possibility of abortion was just as high, considering how dangerous and action packed her job was. The fans accepted it, and the story was handled rather well.

I'd rather Buffy not be pregnant, but I also have faith in the writers that if it were to happen it would be handled excellently; much better than Charmed. If it were to happen I don't see any reason why it would create such an uproar when it hasn't on shows like Charmed or Alias when the mothers were in dangerous situations and the thoughts of abortion would have at least been considered by the fans. Nor, do I believe the network would have cancelled Btvs because Buffy was pregnant, especially when UPN was contracted to have the show for two seasons and we would be assuming she'd have her baby if it were Rileys sometime into season six.

[ykickamoocow]

Another problem with Buffy being pregnant is who would be the father. They couldnt have Angel or Spike be the fater because thats already been done so it would either be a choice of Parker, Riley or maybe some other mystical pregnancy.

[vampmogs]

Another problem with Buffy being pregnant is who would be the father. They couldnt have Angel or Spike be the fater because thats already been done so it would either be a choice of Parker, Riley or maybe some other mystical pregnancy.

Well I think it would be Riley if anything, if that were to happen than the entire end of s5 would have been shaped differently, so it is possible Buffy in her depressive state could sleep with some random guy in s6 and maybe become pregnant? Who knows. It is hard to speculate when nothing in the story leads to such a thing ever happening or the writers even considering it.

Originally Posted by SarahRegi
and who said that you said my point wasn't valid? i didn't say such a thing. i just said everyone's points are valid therefore i believe mine is also. i never said that you said the opposite. everytime i write something it's my opinion, i never say everyone has to stick with it.

This is the second time now in a thread where we have been disagreeing and you have shut me down by saying your point is valid; as if accusing me of seeing it as not. If this isn't what you are accusing me of then I see no reason for you to make it clear your point is valid on two separate occasions, if you no longer want to discuss something with me by all means don't but I really don't have to be reminded of who's point is valid. To me it sounds like your sick of hearing what I have to say so you shut down, saying your point is just as valid as mine and that is that. But I’m really not going to go on about this because it is already turning spammy.

[some spykie ship]

It is weird that teen pregnancy didn't come up in BtVS as often as it did in other teen dramas.

Someone said a little back that Buffy couldn't take care of a baby because she couldn't take care of her little sister. She took care of her little sister and the world just fine, so a baby probably wouldn't have been a big issue.

Sometimes I wonder if, had Joss been given the time to branch out on it, Robin Wood's father's identity would have been revealed. It would have been funny if it was Spike, and like Buffy, Nikki spent years fighting Spike and spent some intimate time with him at a low point. Only unlike Buffy, Nikki didn't know when to walk away from a fight, making Nikki easier to be killed. The first rule of slaying is "don't die," but that's what Nikki did even though she had a son to raise.

Considering the storylines and how Joss planned them years in advance, I'd have to say that if Buffy did get pregnant, it would only make sense if it was Spike's. Buffy having a kid with Parker or Riley would mess way too much with Spike's character arc in S5. Then after that, it was only Buffy and Spike anyway.

[KingofCretins]

Vampires can't reproduce. Angel and Darla were specifically being played and manipulated by Jasmine.

Of the partners we know Buffy has had, only Parker or Riley could father a child with her. When she ever does have a kid, hopefully it will be Xander's :)

[vampmogs]

Considering the storylines and how Joss planned them years in advance, I'd have to say that if Buffy did get pregnant, it would only make sense if it was Spike's. Buffy having a kid with Parker or Riley would mess way too much with Spike's character arc in S5. Then after that, it was only Buffy and Spike anyway.

Aside from the fact that vampires aren't able to have children and when the one and only one did (Darla) it was because of a higher power making it so for her own benefit. ;)

Furthermore, Spike's future was never planned ahead. The writers have always stated that with Spike it was always spontaneous with what his character would do next; he was orginally intended to return as a regular to be the whacky vampire neighbour because they thought it'd be fun. They never planned for Spuffy to happen, nor Spike getting his soul until just before it would happen. For instance, they believed Buffy was ending at the end of s5 and by this point Buffy would never even dream of having a relationship with Spike.

I'd say if anything it would have had to have been Parker or Rileys.

Originally Posted by KingofCretins
Of the partners we know Buffy has had, only Parker or Riley could father a child with her. When she ever does have a kid, hopefully it will be Xander's

If it were to be Xanders that would be a better time than any. Buffy has grown up some more, has hundreds of other slayers to at least ease her duties and has the financial support to give the child a substantial lifestyle.

[SarahRegi]

Well I think it would be Riley if anything, if that were to happen than the entire end of s5 would have been shaped differently, so it is possible Buffy in her depressive state could sleep with some random guy in s6 and maybe become pregnant? Who knows. It is hard to speculate when nothing in the story leads to such a thing ever happening or the writers even considering it.



This is the second time now in a thread where we have been disagreeing and you have shut me down by saying your point is valid; as if accusing me of seeing it as not. If this isn't what you are accusing me of then I see no reason for you to make it clear your point is valid on two separate occasions, if you no longer want to discuss something with me by all means don't but I really don't have to be reminded of who's point is valid. To me it sounds like your sick of hearing what I have to say so you shut down, saying your point is just as valid as mine and that is that. But I’m really not going to go on about this because it is already turning spammy.

well that's a shame because you're taking it all the wrong way. you seem to perceive things that are not. i can't even write anything that i think of because you automatically assume it's something else. i can say my opinions are valid whenever i want and that doesn't necessarily mean i'm shutting people down. discussions are discussions, if you interpret my opinions in a bad way then that's on you.