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Nina
06-12-08, 09:55 AM
click (http://www.myspace.com/harmonybites) for Harmonybites.

Well it's a fun idea that they made this, only they could've spend a little more time making this. To make it more like Harmony would do it.

This is placed by DH;

(You can check out Harmony’s hot new reality show via Buffy the Vampire Slayer Season Eight #21, and on myspace.com/darkhorsepresents on January 7!) So issue 21 is a talkshow? Interesting.

According to het page she is 27 years old while living in LA. Harmony is the age of the scoobies, isn't she? (This is probably because season 8 happens in 2005 (or 2004?) and not 2008, but they could've done something about that. And Harmony is in LA? Can we make something of that? (LA returns a while before season 8 or something like that?)

Oh and she became friends with Clem, another return of an old face? And is Clem in LA? Because in that case he can visit Spike.

Matt
06-12-08, 10:59 AM
According to het page she is 27 years old while living in LA. Harmony is the age of the scoobies, isn't she? (This is probably because season 8 is in 2005 and not 2008, but they could've done something about that. And Harmony is in LA? Can we make something of that? (LA returns a while before season 8 or something like that?)

Oh and she became friends with Clem, another return of an old face? And is Clem in LA? Because in that case he can visit Spike.

It doesn't make sense that she's 27, she would only about about 25 if she was still alive, and she's not, so it doesn't really make sense. I'd say it's her using an age that would reflect how she looks, but if everyone knows she's a vampire then I don't see how that's necessary.

Wasn't LA still there though? Gunn got George to contact somebody outside of Hell and she turned the TV on where a police chase was taking place in LA... maybe Harmony got out of LA before it got sent to Hell and then went back assuming everything was fine, ie. only people in LA at the time got sent to Hell and it is actually fine now.

The way it sounds on the blurb she and Clem are dating, either that or he's her only friend and so she included him in her interests.

I'm assuming it's going to get the complete Harmony make-over when #21 is released on January 7th? Am I the only one who doesn't think Harmony would write like that though? I thought she'd abbreviate words and stuff, maybe she learnt something while working for Angel.

Vampire in Rug
06-12-08, 11:03 AM
That's pretty funny. Maybe they can update her blog and such when the issues come out? It's slightly disapointing that her only two pics are the covers to the comic. Maybe they could get an artist to draw a few more pictures for her Myspace or even get Mercedes McNab to do a few photos.

Nina
06-12-08, 11:13 AM
Wasn't LA still there though? Gunn got George to contact somebody outside of Hell and she turned the TV on where a police chase was taking place in LA... maybe Harmony got out of LA before it got sent to Hell and then went back assuming everything was fine, ie. only people in LA at the time got sent to Hell and it is actually fine now.


I'm not sure, Angel:ATF isn't even finished when Harmony's issue will be released. I would be disappointed if we find out in Harmony's issue what is going to happen with LA. With Harmony living in LA before Angel:ATF is finished, means that time goes quicker in LA than in the rest of the world. (Or the next issue of Angel should bring them back.)

And LA is destroyed and many people died. Only a big reset button would make sure that the city could function again without lots of time to fix everything again.

Matt
06-12-08, 11:15 AM
I'm not sure, Angel:ATF isn't even finished when Harmony's issue will be released. I would be disappointed if we find out in Harmony's issue what is going to happen with LA. And I'm curious to the time span of HelLA, we've no idea how quick time goes in LA and the diference between it and the rest of the world. With Harmony living in LA the only option left is that time goes quicker in LA than in the rest of the world.

I doubt Joss would let anything go ahead that would spoil the ending to ATF or Aftermath for that matter, otherwise it'd be like a huge disappointment after all this time.

Nina
06-12-08, 11:42 AM
I hope so, :)

BTW, I made a mistake in my thinking. Angel:ATF can also happen before season 8. We're not sure how long they already are in hell (only Connor knows with his watch). In that case there is even time to clean up the mess and start with Harmony's talkshow. Jeez, it's complicated now Angel and Buffy don't happen in the same time anymore. :p

sueworld
06-12-08, 12:19 PM
Thing is do we know for sure that Darkhorse are even taking what IDW are doing into consideration when it comes to writing season 8?

Maybe they're not. They're not obliged too I'd wager.

Nina
06-12-08, 12:28 PM
Wouldn't you think that Joss takes care of that? I'm not sure if DH and IDW talk a lot about it but I would expect that Joss cares enough about the Angel story for not spoiling it.

sueworld
06-12-08, 12:39 PM
I personally think that Darkhorse would pay hardly any attention to what a rival company is doing. Maybe the bare 'bones' but thats about it. I don't think they'd let to influence them as to how they were plotting their characters.

I mean It's not like it was in the show with crossovers, I suspect that sort of thing isn't going to happen any time soon with these two publishers.

Nina
06-12-08, 12:45 PM
I'm not a comic expert and have no idea how much influence the companies have on the story. But like I said, wouldn't you expect that Joss makes sure that both canon stories would fit and that season 8 wouldn't spoil anything about the Angel story and vice versa?

sueworld
06-12-08, 12:56 PM
I'm not really sure. Joss doesn't have as much invested in AtF as season 8, so god only knows.

It's just me, but I get the feeling that there's quite a bit of rivalry amongst these two companies (mostly coming form Darkhorses side I have to say) so It's anybody s guess as to how they view each others products.

Mr Allies has made it known in the past that he wishes that they hadn't let the Angel license pass, so I can't imagine that they're up for making life easy for IDW somehow. But thats just my take on it.

NileQT87
06-12-08, 02:20 PM
By all attempts I've made to map out the timelines by normal things like pop-culture references and mentions of time-indicating tidbits:

AtF is all in mid-2004. BtVS season 8 is so far before Hanukkah in late 2006 (and it does actually all fit). They are currently in December 2006, if you go by the references. And if the 2004-2005 season is correct, they are still in December 2004, not 2005 yet.

Which leads me to presume that L.A. exits from Hell-A between 2004 and 2006 or that Harmony just made it out in time and might make mention of Angel's stand against W&H to unknowing folk that believe L.A. is still there, but they have no interest in visiting (as we found out with Beck). For all we know, Buffy might still believe that Angel is working for W&H because of the mystical masking of the city.

Nina
06-12-08, 02:27 PM
Wasn't it stated that season 8 started 1,5 year after Chosen and a half year after NFA? Which means that season 8 takes place in 2005.

NileQT87
06-12-08, 03:06 PM
Never in the actual comics. And the writers seem the least sure of all because of the Casino Royale mess-up. The answer you get now if you ask them about it is that it doesn't matter when it takes place. I think when you get that answer, it's because they messed up and prefer it if fans didn't try to figure it out.

If it never actually affects plot or if it is never stated in the comic, my opinion is what is printed in the comic takes priority over writer speculation or intent.

With the actual comics and not interviews, we are currently in December 2006. The comics have also overrided other interview comments that we were already past Buffy's birthday, but we now know that Hanukkah hasn't happened (but is soon), which means Buffy's birthday is still a month away.

I believe the official canon text must supersede every other indicator.

XavierZane
06-12-08, 07:38 PM
Harmony is a Pisces! :D

As to the timeline: comic book time, people. There's no concrete time the comics are taking place or concrete amount of time that has passed during the issues or between the issues. Pop culture references (Casino Royale, Amy Whatsherface, etc.) are added because the writers know we'll recognize them, not because the characters should be able to know about them.

Vampire in Rug
06-12-08, 09:25 PM
Xaviar, agreed 100%.

Suppose a few months from now, cell phones become obsolete because some new technology is invented. Or suppose the design of computers goes through a drastic change. Should the Buffyverse characters stay stuck in the past because it's "technically" supposed to take place in 2005/ 2006, or whenever?

Are we supposed to believe that Superman is 60 years old because of all the "modern" refferences popping up in his comics? Or are the comics still "technically" taking place in the 1930s?

The Casino Royale refference was a joke for the audience to enjoy, it wasn't any sort of statement about when the comic is set. Remember, we've also had a cameo by Dr. Who and slayers reading "Fray". Some stuff is not meant to be taken seriously.

My opinion? The comics are set 2008. Right now. For the characters, it's a year and a half after "Chosen" and it doesn't matter in the slightest that "Chosen" happened in 2003.

stormwreath
07-12-08, 12:55 PM
Regarding Harmony, remember this: when we last saw her on 'Angel' she was in bed with Hamilton and had just given him some really important information. Don't you think that when the Senior Partners sent the rest of LA to Hell they might make an exception for such a loyal and valuable employee, who is so keen to follow the fine Wolfram & Hart corporate tradition of backstabbing your boss in order to gain power?

Nina
07-12-08, 01:00 PM
I doubt that the senior partners care about Harmony. They never tried to save the W&H lawyers in 'Reunion', complete W&H in 'Habeas Corpses' or Lilah in 'Calvary'. Who were better employees than Harmony. The only reason why I could see them saving her, would be if W&H was behind Harmony's talkshow and her revealing the supernatural world.