View Full Version : Stupid little things you always wanted to know.
Sometimes you watch a scene and you start wondering about the small things. You will never get an answer, but why not share these important questions of life with eachother ...
I always wanted to know where Angel got his money? He seemed to manage fine without a job ... still he goes nuts after Connor's birth and he needs lots of money. Spike steals and uses stuff from others ... I don't see Angel do that. So; how does he get money ...
I'm also intrigued by his leather pants. Angel never wears those (only one time ... Ats season 3 I believe), still he has those pants. Are those hanging in his closet, waiting for Angelus? We never saw Angel in leather in BtVS, still Angelus gets one of his flat in Innocence.
How did baby Connor survive without an umbilical cord? Darla doesn't eat, so it wouldn't be useful in the first place ... but still ... Connor needs food, no blood. And why does Connor have a belly button?
How did Spike travel on a motorcycle from Californië to Africa in a couple of days?
I had more of these things, but I can't remember them right now.
I've been thinking about the money issue to. But I had Cordelia in thought. How does she afford buying designerclothes? epically in the early days.
How did Spike travel on a motorcycle from Californië to Africa in a couple of days?
was it ever actually stated as being africa?
kassyopeia
17-08-08, 02:23 AM
Ah, excellent, I was just thinking of starting a thread like this one too. :)
What was the Mayor's plan, beyond eating a bunch of people? I mean, he seems smarter than King Kong or Tarantula, so he must know that if you become a big monster nowadays, all you get for your troubles is that the air force turns up and efficiently puts a stop to things.
Are the Bringers people? Spike can kill them in "Potential", so they can't be, but the students seem to be becoming Bringers in "Storyteller", so which is it?
kassyopeia
17-08-08, 02:32 AM
How did Spike travel on a motorcycle from Californië to Africa in a couple of days?was it ever actually stated as being africa?
Pretty much, the script names the location as "a remote African VILLAGE", and Spike talks about having gone "to the other side of the world".
The "couple of days" is only implied by the way the scenes are intercut, though, so the best explanation is that Spike's story actually takes place weeks after the Dark-Willow-arc, it seems to me. Unless I'm overlooking something that makes that impossible...
NileQT87
17-08-08, 03:17 AM
i'd imagine the africa bit probably took place about a month+ after grave. angel said it would take months to take a cargo ship to asia and trek to nepal. spike very obviously rode his motorcycle to a place where he could board a cargo ship or in the luggage compartment of a liner (both ways angel mentioned or used). that's how vampires travel in the jossverse. we know they don't take planes usually (not without necrotempered glass).
there are a lot of intercut scenes that aren't linear. it's not the only one. the soul thing in africa is mid-summer. ditto with angel in tibet.
likewise, not every episode happens on its airdate, because most episodes take place on multiple days, specific dates (holidays) or are serialized. there are even episodes that take place over a couple weeks.
Theresa Marie86
17-08-08, 05:59 AM
I always wondered why angel lived in aprtments, hotels, mansions an nobody ever wanted rent. I to have always wondered where angel got his money. or how about giles, where did he get his moeny after hegot fired? He was never in need of money and never seemed to go broke. Or even faith how did she pay for the hotel she was staying in??
NileQT87
17-08-08, 06:22 AM
i imagine angelus killed the owners when he needed a new place (which we heard about several times). the mansion in sunnydale, i imagine, is another case of murdered inhabitants.
as for angel, we know from cordy's "investment portfolio" crack in the pitch tape, i'd imagine that while he didn't have an investment portfolio, he clearly had collected years of art objects, etc... as for the hyperion, there was the money that judy kovacs stole from the bank that angel found in the basement, as well as the connection to david nabbit. judy's bank money plus david nabbit is strongly implied to be how he got the hotel.
Angel probably kept money in the bank. He is smart. It's why so many vampires can often be viewed as rich because of interest.
Cordy afforded designer clothes in the early days because of her parents. And later on I suspect through her job.
Yeah, I never got the whole leather pants thing either, I mean, it wasn't like he was planning on turning into Angelus, so I never got the whole point in him keeping them, why not just throw them out in the trash?
Also, where did they come from because he didn't have any when he was with Darla, Drusilla and Spike and he'd turned back into Angel by then, so why would Angel buy some leather pants just to wear when he turned evil?
Angel probably kept money in the bank. He is smart. It's why so many vampires can often be viewed as rich because of interest.
I don't know where he got the money from when he was in BTVS or in season 1 of Angel, but didn't he find a whole case of money in the second episode of season 2? Or was that money useless?
Cordy afforded designer clothes in the early days because of her parents. And later on I suspect through her job.
I think the original poster meant in the early days of Angel when she was supposed to be completely broke, hence why she was living in that flea bag apartment. All I can guess is that she had some clothes left over from Sunnydale, I mean, they can't have taken them all.
Do you mean the money he got in 'Blood Money'? He gave that to Anne and her homeless childeren.
Cordelia wasn't the only person with design clothes while being broke, Angel always wore very expensive clothes (Angel and his money issue again), so did Buffy and Dawn in season 6 ... or Tara and Willow while they were students.
I don't know where he got the money from when he was in BTVS or in season 1 of Angel, but didn't he find a whole case of money in the second episode of season 2? Or was that money useless?
No I mean he just got a big wad of money when he was Angelus or whenever 100+ years ago sometime. And just stuck it in the bank. And he lives of the interest. Clear?
kassyopeia
17-08-08, 01:25 PM
or how about giles, where did he get his moeny after hegot fired? He was never in need of money and never seemed to go broke.
That's not a problem, he had a double income for three years and then was unemployed for only one year, so even if he started out with nothing (which seems very unlikely) he'd have been fine.
Or even faith how did she pay for the hotel she was staying in??
Well, I don't want to re-open a can of worms, but IMO the Council (directly or through Giles) should obviously have payed for her room and board. But if they did, one wonders how stingy they have to be for her not to be able to afford something better.
No I mean he just got a big wad of money when he was Angelus or whenever 100+ years ago sometime. And just stuck it in the bank. And he lives of the interest. Clear?
Yeah, that makes sense.
BTW, Nina I meant the bag of money he found in Are You Now or Have You Ever Been? The money he hid in the hotel's basement for that woman.
And judging from what we saw in Faith, Hope and Trick she had some money, but didn't tend to pay when she should and didn't the landlord get killed by Mr. Trick or Kakistos? I doubt she did pay if she could get out of it.
The bag full of money in AYNOHYEB won't explain how he got his money in those 50 years before that. Angel pays rent, Angel has nice clothes, Angel goes to the theater, Angel goes to Las Vegas ... and still he has no job. Angel must have a tree with money instead of leafs.
The only problem with the whole idea of angel having a load of cash in the bank is that he did start worrying about money which wouldn't happen if he was living on interest, like when he memorised Cordy's credit card number to buy something (little hockey stuff I think). The money could have just run out then though, and it would seem like the kind of thing angelus would do seen as you usually saw him and Darla in pretty nice things.
Why do female vampires who wear it always have immaculate make-up what with the lack of reflection?
How do vampires shave? Also how do they get haircuts and how do they style their hair?
I mean neither Angel nor Spike had facial hair, at all (except for that flashback where Angelus had a moustache) but their faces are never cut up from shaving, also their hair changes lengths, I mean, Spike's hair at the beginning of season 7 was different to how it was for the rest of the season, the same with Angel in season 5 and Spike's hair was styled different in Intervention, so how does that figure? Also how do they not mess it up when they're asleep?
In ATF:
Human!Angel had to learn to shave himself and to cut his own hair. Brian Lynch went with the idea that vampire don't have hairgrowth.
But we already know that they have hairgrowth because of Darla's hair that grows a lot, Angelus' moustache, Spike's growing hair etc. Writers don't really agree about this, and the fact that the actors have hair the grows doesn't help either.
NileQT87
18-08-08, 01:35 AM
lynch is the one we have to fanwank, here. actually, until him it was completely consistent that vampire hair grows. maybe angel just started doing it with a mirror. or perhaps they would get the others in their vampire families to do it... and angel just went to some demon barber (hehe) when he had a soul.
i just tend to block out several of the text bubbles on that page like they don't exist.
makeup and shaving you can probably do by feel and years of doing it blind. after straight-edged razors, angel probably found normal razors a cinch. haircutting is something they likely had each other do or got somebody who did it for vampires and demons. i'd imagine that the females would need whomever was with them to tighten the back of their corsets as well.
Michael
18-08-08, 07:49 PM
Why did the police not show up at any point during the demon raid on Sunnydale at the beginning of Season 6?
And why did Joyce not have health care insurance as well as life assurance? She was far too competent a businesswoman to have left her children in such a dicey position.
Has anybody remarked on the cumulative cost of Buffy's various outfits? No wonder Cordy tried to stay on reasonable diplomatic terms.
Rowan Hawthorn
19-08-08, 04:18 AM
Why did the police not show up at any point during the demon raid on Sunnydale at the beginning of Season 6?
The doughnut shop was on fire?? :D
And why did Joyce not have health care insurance as well as life assurance? She was far too competent a businesswoman to have left her children in such a dicey position.
Here's the reality: Health care insurance rarely covers everything. With the type of surgery Joyce had, a family could be left owing thousands of dollars even after the insurance paid their share. I had a car accident three years ago, had 3 MRIs and a set of X-Rays. The only actual treatment I had was a shot for pain, and the total cost was over $15,000.00; luckily, I had PIP on my auto policy, because, with me running my own business at the time (like Joyce was,) that's about what I'd have had to pay for one year's medical insurance premiums - and, without the state underwriting a specific policy, there's no insurance company that would have even sold a policy to me because my wife is diabetic and has epilepsy. The bottom line is, if you're not in a position to get group insurance, you'd better be either well off financially or totally destitute, because anywhere in the middle and you're screwed.
As far as life insurance is concerned, the remainder of the medical and other outstanding bills would eat up most of that; and then there's the funeral costs, which can run $6,000 and up (mostly up.)
ThePoet's<3
19-08-08, 04:19 AM
Yeah I always wondered how Buffy could afford all those leather jackets?
Maybe they were "pleather".
I always wondered how Spike could have a fridge in a crypt? And a TV? Where did the electricity come from? And why in some episodes he sleeps on top of a crypt and in a couple of episodes he had a nice bed?
OH! And here's one (that was actually written about in Fanfic) Why didn't Willow and Tara pay rent? Why didn't they get jobs? Why was it all Buffy's responsibility to provide for them?
kassyopeia
19-08-08, 12:19 PM
and then there's the funeral costs, which can run $6,000 and up (mostly up.)
Giles paid for the funeral (deleted scene).
I always wondered how Spike could have a fridge in a crypt? And a TV? Where did the electricity come from?
"A New Man":
SPIKE
Not gonna have electricity anyway.
It's a crypt, remember?
Xander takes the lamp, puts it back where she got it.
ANYA
What about running water? A
fridge to keep your blood fresh?
SPIKE
No...
ANYA
That's gonna just suck. You
should get a hotel room or
something.
"Goodbye Iowa":
INT. CRYPT - DAY
Forrest and Graham look around the crypt. To their surprise it's lit with
candles and sparsely furnished with an old arm chair, a rickety TV tray
and a television that's hooked up to its own little generator.
And why in some episodes he sleeps on top of a crypt and in a couple of episodes he had a nice bed?
Didn't he just sleep on the sarcophagus until he got the bed?
Why didn't Willow and Tara pay rent? Why didn't they get jobs?
What makes you think they didn't pay rent? Both of them lived in the university dorm some of the time, so we know they had some money, because they would have to pay rent there. Since as far as we know they didn't work, the most reasonable assumption would seem to be that Willow is supported by her parents and Tara... well... maybe she has a little trust fund, with her mother being dead? Pure speculation, though.
Anyway, it's never talked about, but it makes much more sense to assume that they did indeed pay rent to Buffy, and provided for their own living expenses.
I always wanted to know why they never figured out that the biggest evil of the year always strikes around May-time, aka, end of the season. I mean, they never had that big an evil at the beginning of the year or during it, everything up to that point was usually fairly easy to kill and then around the same time something majorly hardcore/difficult to fight turns up.
It kind of makes you wonder why they never went hunting before May or just went on vacation until May knowing the thing was gonna pop up then and so if they did go away they wouldn't miss it anyway.
If you think about it, season 1 of Buffy she fought fairly basic demons/vampires/other squigglies and then right at the end of the season The Master finally rose which led to Buffy being killed and then having to find a way to fight him. Season 2, okay Spike and Dru, but they were defeated fairly early and only re-arose when Angelus popped up whose final apocalyptic plan didn't crop up until around May when the Acathla statue appeared. Season 3 the Mayor, ascended on Graduation, in May/June/July. Adam, appeared just after January and planned on the Initiative/demon battle happening in May. Season 5 was Glory, it took her months to find the Key and when she finally did the time for it to be bled was around May. Again with Dark Willow, it all kicked off when Warren shot Tara, the same time as everything else and finally Chosen, all of which happened around the same time as all the other apocalyptically badness.
I know there was always that impending threat, but didn't any of the realise it was okay to cool their jets until the time around May 'cause that's usually when evil went a-knockin?
I also know that there were the mid-season apocalyptic threats, ie. The Zeppo and Doomed, but even if you look at them compared to, say, The Master, it was obvious they were defeatable.
I'm just saying somebody should have noticed, it seems like the kind of thing Xander would pick up on and I think it would've been interesting if they'd opened on an apocalypse, it would've given the show a new angle.
Or why there is only one big bad in a season, if the bad guys would team up ... they would've ended the world in season 2 with Buffy and her friends dead.
But yes, the whole one big bad a year with a climax in may is very standard in BtVS. It would be nice if they changed that for once. We know that the Big Bads in LA had more succes with their way of dealing with this. :p
Theresa Marie86
19-08-08, 07:25 PM
Why didn't they get jobs? Why was it all Buffy's responsibility to provide for them?
My point exactly, it wouldve been nice to see eithger of them getting as job. And from what i remember willow was telling buffy that all the movey that her mother saved up was gone.. and there wasnt any left. So? Why cant anyone else get a job? It wouldve made sense for all three to get a job and split the bills wouldnt it?
I mean, they never had that big an evil at the beginning of the year or during it, everything up to that point was usually fairly easy to kill and then around the same time something majorly hardcore/difficult to fight turns up.
Not entirely the case. Recall that the Scoobies, sans Xander, avert and apocalypse in "The Zeppo" that involves as frightening an almost-opening of the Hellmouth as occured in "Prophecy Girl". And that was late January.
The point being, the season-arc format does tend to force the big fight with the Big Bad to occur in or around May, but they do bend that somewhat. Willow turning dark and supplanting/eliminating The Trio, Angel/Angelus taking over for Spike, "The Zeppo", Faith returing mid-season four, Caleb's arrival... all these things subvert and distort the season-arc pattern at least somewhat. And where, as with Glory or Adam, arc stays pretty close to the format, they at least make it plausible (though the fact that Dawn's blood was required for Glory's ritual does make one wonder why it took so long to figure out the Key was human...).
gryffonswings
20-08-08, 01:01 AM
This sort of ties into the whole money conversation, but I've always wondered why Buffy doesn't convince the Council to start paying her at the end of Checkpoint. She "negotiates" for them to pay Giles retroactively since they fired him...why didn't she just convince them that, as she was the one doing all the work, she deserved to get paid for it? It would, certainly, have solved some problems she had later on in the series.
well to quote Willow "you know buffy; sweet girl, not very bright" lol
i always wondered where the council got their money from, most of them are quite stuffy and upper class so you could assume that they have family money but it would be rather odd for them to use their own money to pay the watchers. I've often pondered the idea of the goverment funding them like the initiative.
kassyopeia
20-08-08, 01:58 AM
I'm just saying somebody should have noticed, it seems like the kind of thing Xander would pick up on and I think it would've been interesting if they'd opened on an apocalypse, it would've given the show a new angle.
Well, the series did open on an apocalypse (of sorts) with the Harvest.
I can't tell how ironic you're being re the "somebody should have noticed" part. Do you mean a throwaway comment in the vein of "So Dawn's in trouble. It must be Tuesday." would have been nice? Or do you really think it would have been a good idea for the characters to notice that there seem to be certain narrative rules inherent in the universe they inhabit, leading to lots of fourth-wall-breaking, Truman-Show-type hijinx?
Why cant anyone else get a job? It wouldve made sense for all three to get a job and split the bills wouldnt it?
Again, what makes you think they didn't split the bills? They were obviously able to pay their own way before they moved into the Summers house without having a job, so why would they rely on Buffy to provide for them all of a sudden? It isn't discussed in canon either way, but it doesn't seem reasonable to assume they didn't contribute.
I've always wondered why Buffy doesn't convince the Council to start paying her at the end of Checkpoint.
Because the stupid writers wanted a stupid Doublemeat-Palace-arc. I don't think there is another way to answer that.
though the fact that Dawn's blood was required for Glory's ritual does make one wonder why it took so long to figure out the Key was human...
well i would assume that it was the keys essence they knew they needed and didnt know that was blood until they discovered it was a human.
kassyopeia
20-08-08, 02:10 AM
i always wondered where the council got their money from, most of them are quite stuffy and upper class so you could assume that they have family money but it would be rather odd for them to use their own money to pay the watchers. I've often pondered the idea of the goverment funding them like the initiative.
The Council is an ancient institution, so it makes sense to assume that they simply acquired wealth over the years. You know, endowments from rich nobles whose children were killed by vampires, inheritance from council members who died childless, keeping treasure accumulated by vampires and recovered by the Slayers, that sort of thing. Regular third-party funding wouldn't be required.
well i would assume that it was the keys essence they knew they needed and didnt know that was blood until they discovered it was a human.
Yeah, that's canon:
GILES
The Key was living energy. It needed
to be channeled, poured into a specific
spot at a specific time. With all attendant
ritual, of course. The energy would flow
into that spot, the walls between the
dimensions break down. It stops -- the
energy is used up -- and the walls come back
up. Glory uses that time to get back to her
dimension, not caring that all manner of hell
will be unleashed on Earth in the meantime.
ANYA
But only for a little while, right?
The walls come back, no more hell?
WILLOW
But that's only if the energy is stopped.
And now that the Key is human ... is Dawn ...
GILES
"The blood flows, the gates will open.
The gates will close when it flows no
more." When Dawn is dead.
ciderdrinker
20-08-08, 08:34 AM
It just occurred to me this morning that I've always wondered why Buffy didn't think it odd that Angel didn't leave her room whilst she was at school in "Angel", and in doing so had to hide in the closet when Joyce came in. Knowing he was a vampire would explain it, but she doesn't find out until after that point.
I'm going to fanwank this that she somehow sensed he was a vampire but couldn't quite get a handle on it because of his soul. It would explain the infamous comment "I invited him into my home. Even after I knew who he was, what he was, and I didn't do anything about it... " (which she hadn't actually done in the ep) and would also explain why she so cagily asks him how much older he is when he brings the age difference up. Giles did tell her that a slayer should be able to see vampires, without looking, without thinking - maybe it's a latent talent that she never really explored :D
NileQT87
20-08-08, 09:21 AM
i think the reason angel was coming over again (and finding darla with joyce) was after buffy must have found him and invited him over again.
in order for buffy to have invited angel over again after she learned he was a vampire... at some point between the buffy/joyce "shadow" dialog and when angel comes over again, buffy would have had to see angel again in between those scenes--we just didn't see it. it would explain why angel was coming over, pauses at the front door, hears a scream and runs to the kitchen doorway. he must have assumed buffy was already home and was coming over to see her when he heard joyce scream.
in a deleted scene, joyce says that she thinks she heard mice upstairs all day. angel didn't hide from joyce because he was a vampire... rather because he wasn't supposed to have stayed the night.
the episode has 3 rather large deleted scenes (buffy scooping up her rushed dinner for angel, extended "angel's a vampire!" school dialog with xander and buffy telling joyce to eat her vegetables when she gets out of the hospital), but none that fill up that plot hole that quite clearly we are supposed to assume happened.
again, with the wanting of deleted scenes that were shot and cut for time to be reedited in.
EndersWrath
20-08-08, 10:27 AM
How Anya forgot how to drive a car.
In Graduation Day she says that the car is waiting to Xander and for him to come with her, but in Triangle she says that she is just learning that the right peddle accelerates..
That has ALWAYS bothered me.
Well, the series did open on an apocalypse (of sorts) with the Harvest.
I can't tell how ironic you're being re the "somebody should have noticed" part. Do you mean a throwaway comment in the vein of "So Dawn's in trouble. It must be Tuesday." would have been nice? Or do you really think it would have been a good idea for the characters to notice that there seem to be certain narrative rules inherent in the universe they inhabit, leading to lots of fourth-wall-breaking, Truman-Show-type hijinx?
Well I was talking more of a comment type thing, maybe sometime in season 7, I can just imagine Xander and some other people (not really sure who) talking about the First and then have Xander pipe and say something like "Hey, you notice how most of the biggest big bads we've faced don't strike until *insert time here"." And then maybe have some dialogue after with them discussing that, but not really drawing to any kind of conclusion.
vampmogs
20-08-08, 11:41 AM
Actually in 'Get It Done' Buffy says something to that effect when she tells Wood;
"The Hellmouth has begun its semi-annual percolation. Usually, it blows around May."
Which is the time when Btvs' big epic end of the world season finales would usually air. ;)
sueworld
20-08-08, 11:42 AM
Why did the police not show up at any point during the demon raid on Sunnydale at the beginning of Season 6?
Maybe because after living/working in that town for so long, they've learnt to keep their heads down in certain circumstances. :roll:
Actually in 'Get It Done' Buffy says something to that effect when she tells Wood;
"The Hellmouth has begun its semi-annual percolation. Usually, it blows around May."
Which is the time when Btvs' big epic end of the world season finales would usually air. ;)
Okay, fine, I stand corrected.
It's just I haven't watched Get It Done in a while, last time I watched season 7 I skipped a few episodes and that was one of them :D.
vampmogs
20-08-08, 11:48 AM
Okay, fine, I stand corrected.
It's just I haven't watched Get It Done in a while, last time I watched season 7 I skipped a few episodes and that was one of them :D.
Don't blame ya :lol:
I must say I actually didn't like the line though. I'm not sure why, for some reason I laughed at the "must be Tuesday" line in regards to Dawn but this one seemed all to.. mathematical for the Buffyverse. But then I didn't like how level-headed and calm Buffy was in 'Storyteller' in regards to everything that happened when she was in high school all happening at once, as if it were the norm. It just rubbed me up the wrong way, it felt all too systematic.
kassyopeia
20-08-08, 02:23 PM
"The Hellmouth has begun its semi-annual percolation. Usually, it blows around May."
Weird, I completely forgot about that one too even though I watched the episode only a week ago. The "tuesday" comment seems to be more memorable somehow. Anyway, why "semi-annual"? Are the writers referring to the recurring mid-season secondary apocalypses (Matt lists most of them above)?
icecreamkiller
20-08-08, 06:42 PM
Any reason in particular for the Elvis Costello references linked to Faith in the show? "Big Sister's Clothes" ("Look at you, all dressed up in big sister's clothes") is an Elvis Costello song, and "This Year's Model" was his first album with the Attractions, released in 1978. It has a song called "This Year's Girl".
my best guess is that the writer was a fan
Any reason in particular for the Elvis Costello references linked to Faith in the show? "Big Sister's Clothes" ("Look at you, all dressed up in big sister's clothes") is an Elvis Costello song, and "This Year's Model" was his first album with the Attractions, released in 1978. It has a song called "This Year's Girl".
Considering the episode the quote is from (Graduation Day Part 1) and the way that the writers loved to give hints as to what's to come I think that maybe the quote is a reference to the appearance of Dawn, I mean, in Graduation Day Part 2 Faith says the thing about "Miles to go, Little Miss Muffet counting down from 7-3-0" which talks of Dawn and the days to Buffy's death, it seems like a direct reference to Buffy's sister, Buffy being "Big Sister".
I think maybe the fact that the "Big Sister's Clothes" is an Elvis Costello song and that there is an episode called "This Year's Girl" which is also a song by Elvis Costello, it may be a coincidence, or that Doug Petrie took what Joss wrote and developed it to form the episode's title, as a kind of shout-out back to the episode.
This Year's Girl - Elvis Costello
See her picture in a thousand places
'Cause she's this year's girl
You think you all own little pieces
Of this year's girl
Forget your fancy manners
Forget your English grammar
'Cause you don't really give a damn
About this year's girl
Still you're hoping that she's well spoken
'Cause she's this year's girl
You want her broken with her mouth wide open
'Cause she's this year's girl
Never knowing it's a real attraction
All these promises of satisfaction
While she's being bored to distraction
Being this year's girl
Time's running out
She's not happy with the cost
There'd be no doubt
Only she's forgotten much more than she's lost
A bright spark might corner the market
In this year's girl
You see yourself rolling on the carpet
With this year's girl
Those disco synthesizers
Those daily tranquilizers
Those body building prizes
Those bedroom alibis
All this, but no surprises for this year's girl
All this, but no surprises for this year's girl
All this, but no surprises for this year's girl
Some of those lyrics can be connected to how some of the characters were feeling in the episode, mostly Faith, for example "'Cause you don't really give a damn about this year's girl" reflects how Faith was feeling during the episode when she thought that nobody cared about her or what happened to her, "You want her broken with her mouth wide open" could be how Faith believes Buffy feels toward her, especially during the events of Graduation Day and the dream sequence in the episode in question where it seemed to Faith like Buffy didn't want to hear her out or even care, she just wanted to attack her.
Time's running out
She's not happy with the cost
There'd be no doubt
Only she's forgotten much more than she's lost
This whole section could actually reflect what happens after Faith awakes from her coma, she gets he Draconian Katra because she feels that it's only a matter of time before she's caught by the authorities or the Watcher's council and so she leaps into the whole body swap, but also it could talk about how she goes off to LA and finally the laws do catch up with her. The last line could be that Faith seemed to forget about her first Watcher and everybody when she went on to work for Wilkins whom she lost to.
The "Bright spark" thing seems to me like the epiphany Faith has at the end of the Angel episode Five By Five and admits that she hates herself and wants to change, or die, which was also show in Who Are You when Faith in Buffy's body started punching her own face.
Obviously this whole thing could just be me over analysing, I mean, I don't have a degree in picking lyrics apart and exploring what is there, as is probably apparent, but that's just my opinion.
Something that always bothered me was how did Anya go to high school in the first place? She had no birth certificate, no social security card, nothing. Where did she live in high school or in S4 before her and Xander moved in together? How did she support herself?
Also, I know it's been asked all ready, but how did Angel support himself? The scene in S3 comes to mind when he's buying blood at the butcher. Where did he get the money?
The Willow and Tara not working thing always bugged me too. I can see when they stayed in the dorms, because usually your room and board are covered in student loans/scholarships, whatever, but once they moved into Buffy's? It just always irked me that we never saw Willow going to work. She just seemed like such a leech to me in S's 6 & 7...:p
Something that always bothered me was how did Anya go to high school in the first place? She had no birth certificate, no social security card, nothing. Where did she live in high school or in S4 before her and Xander moved in together? How did she support herself?
The question for me was never "how" but "why"? There's the funny bit about being stuck in high school and, worse, flunking math, but never an explanation as to why a 1k+ year-old ex-vengeance demon would bother.
sueworld
22-08-08, 09:31 PM
The question for me was never "how" but "why"? There's the funny bit about being stuck in high school and, worse, flunking math, but never an explanation as to why a 1k+ year-old ex-vengeance demon would bother.
I suppose you could file that under the same set of mysteries as why the police never searched Giles's house after neighbors reports of a strange blond man being kept chained in his bathtub, and why Joyce wasn't investigated by the local social workers for all the strange bruises and marks often found on her daughters body. :lol:
vampmogs
23-08-08, 08:19 AM
The way I saw the Anya situation was that she's created that persona for herself. She's capable of altering entire dimensions into something else as simply as saying "done" I see it in her power that she'd be able to manifest a back-story for herself as well as identity. Remember that Anya says that she's stuck in the body of a teenager and "now she has all these feelings." Which means Anya literally turned herself into a teenager, created a whole fake persona and identity so she could get to Cordy who one can only assume she sensed, like Halfrek could with Dawn as Cordy was in a lot of pain.
Theresa Marie86
27-08-08, 06:51 PM
I always wondered how ted was the only one who caught buffy sneaking out.. she snuck out every night and never got caught! Antoher thing, how come joyce didnt think it was weird that ted was in buffys room for a long time while he was waitng for her to come home? Didnt she think it weird that her new boo was hanging out in her daughters room for a prolonged period?
vampmogs
28-08-08, 12:20 PM
I always wondered how ted was the only one who caught buffy sneaking out.. she snuck out every night and never got caught! Antoher thing, how come joyce didnt think it was weird that ted was in buffys room for a long time while he was waitng for her to come home? Didnt she think it weird that her new boo was hanging out in her daughters room for a prolonged period?
Perhaps he said he was going to the bathroom :)
And Joyce caught Buffy sneaking out in 'Bad Eggs' but I agree it's odd she never caught her sneaking out again.
Rowan Hawthorn
29-08-08, 06:16 AM
Little things I wanted to know, but don't really matter:
- Willow's birthday. Doesn't seem like she makes much of a big deal about it; when Amy said, "It's your birthday" in "Doublemeat Palace," Willow was kind of "Meh..." about correcting her and started to mention Buffy's coming up. And I don't remember either Buffy or Xander ever even mentioning it, which seems kind of odd for best friends.
- Kennedy's full name. Just curious.
- What (if anything) transpired between the end of "The Killer In Me" and the beginning of "First Date". I know Willow was terrified of herself at the time, but I can't see her letting Amy get away with that spell. For that matter, I can't see Kennedy letting it drop, either, unless Willow insisted. Did Amy play it smart and get the hell out of Dodge until things blew over, or did Willow decide she disliked the vindictive side of herself enough to give Amy a pass?
NileQT87
30-08-08, 12:23 AM
the real names i really want (com'on, joss! pull a star wars naming-of-the-thing-in-the-corner on us!) are darla's real name, liam's last name (a nice bonding moment could result from connor asking!!!) and drusilla's last name.
liam's, in particular, would be meaningful because of all the fake names connor has had.
drusilla also needs an end arc with angel and spike.
Do we know if Drusilla is her real name? I agree about Liam's last name ... it would be nice to know what the name is from the character who was in the most episodes. Also interesting if his family had any influence in Galway (Was he part of the rich tribes?).
I want to know what happened to Pavayne after W&H's building went *boom*.
Bloodsucker
29-09-08, 08:18 PM
Silly question really... but do vampires ever have to go to the bathroom?
Well, if they only lived on blood, one might asume that it goes into their own "circulation" in a way, or that they use it up completely, or whatever... but they drink other things too, and sometimes they eat other things, so in some way they must get rid of the waste products, right? Or else Spike will run around with alcohol in his veins. :lol:
Vampire in Rug
29-09-08, 08:25 PM
I want to know what happened to Pavayne after W&H's building went *boom*.
I've always wondered that too!
According to the extras in the "After the Fall" hardcover:
Brian's original idea was that Burge set Pavayne free from his little cell in the W&H building. So Pavayne owes Burge a huge favor and so he becomes Burge's "champion" in the giant gladiator battle. Obviously, this didn't make it into the book but it's still and interesting idea.
I'm happy that Brian didn't forget about Pavayne ... too bad that this plan didn't make it to the comics because I love Pavayne as a bad guy. The guy was dangerous, scary and had great potential. Pity that he was used in one of the worst episodes of the season.
Bloodsucker - I've pretty much always wondered that to. Hmm. I'm pretty sure vamps go to the loo. It'd be strange if they didn't. >__<
Vampire in Rug
02-10-08, 04:21 PM
My personal theory is that any blood the vampire drinks gets absorbed directly into their own circulatory system, and keeps the vampire healthy.
Food and other drink, I imagine would have to be passed as a normal human would. I mean, it has to go somewhere. I figure most vampires choose not to eat because with their dead tastebuds, everything tastes bland and if they can't enjoy the food going in, crapping it back out would be more hastle than it's worth. It would also be kinda gross for the vampire seeing as how the food would be all... undigested.
Bloodsucker
02-10-08, 04:57 PM
Hey yes, I totally didn't wonder about if it would be digested at all. Now we might start a nerdy scientific discussion about a vampire's digestive system, how it adapts on a blood diet, and if anything else can be digested still... :) I tend to assume it still works, it just gets very little to nothing out of the stuff (except if it's a bloody steak, perhaps :lol:).
And yes, Eveee, you're right, that would be strange, because all the drink Spike has would turn him into something barrel-shaped if he couldn't get rid of it somehow. :D
There are people who vehemently claim vampires never have to visit the toilet, so I thought I'd just ask if there's any canon reference to that.
I rewatching right now and started to think about some things.
How do the vamps do their make-up without an reflection? Because Darla always have make-up, and pretty much to. So how does she do it?
Another thing I was thinking about watching Reunion. I thought you wasn't a vampire until you had waken up. But Angel tried to stake Darla when she was still asleep(dead?). So when do you becoma a vampire?
And one more thing I always wondered about. Where does Angel live between to shanshu in La and Are you now, or have you ever been?
Bloodsucker
03-10-08, 01:08 PM
I think the answer to your last question is that he still stays in the basement of his former place, I think that's not entirely burned out.
About the make-up... No idea. If there's any other vampire around,he can do it for her or tell her if she is doing correctly, but otherwise... special vampire powers? :)
Shaving and not overly complicated hairstyles work without a mirror, but make-up... Well, since I've never put any make-up on myself I have no idea what's it like obviously :lol: but that sounds rather difficult to me.
Well, just a theory, but one probably becomes a vampire straight away and just lies "dormant" for a while while the body adapts to the changes or so... which would men that one could be staked earlier, right?
sueworld
03-10-08, 01:27 PM
How do the vamps do their make-up without an reflection? Because Darla always have make-up, and pretty much to. So how does she do it?
She used to make Angelus do it. :roll: And Dru used to do Spikes and then later Harmony:roll:.
After that Spike learnt to do his by touch after Harmony 'walked him through it'.
Thats my take on it anyway. :D
vampmogs
03-10-08, 01:45 PM
Another thing I was thinking about watching Reunion. I thought you wasn't a vampire until you had waken up. But Angel tried to stake Darla when she was still asleep(dead?). So when do you becoma a vampire?
The way I saw it, if you bury the stake into the bodies heart when the body turns into a vampire it'd be immediatly staked and therefore dust.
I don't really think he can live in his old apartment. The bomb pretty much blowed it all up. Maybe he lived in a motell or something?
But how did Darla do before Angelus?
Vampmogs: That could be one theory. And then i thought right when I was thinking that you don't turn into a vampire before the moment of awakening?
Bloodsucker
03-10-08, 09:47 PM
At least the meetings were at Cordelia's place, but what's that place we see Angel at in Judgment?
Haha, now I have a hilarious mental picture of Darla trying to get the Master to put make-up on her... :xd
Bloodsucker
16-10-08, 10:42 AM
Another thing that just occurred to me:
When Buffy comes back to life in Season 6, how do authorities react to it, so to say? She is her sister's guardian as if nothing had happened. Yet the spell hasn't altered the time that has passed, or else the main characters would act differently upon her reappearance. Is there no enquiry into where she has really been or whatever explanation someone might come up with (but then again, her body was found and she was buried and there are papers to prove it... hard to make a mistake there...)? And wouldn't she lose her guardianship if she had apparently just diappeared for some time under such strange circumstances?
Buffybot did take over, nobody knows that she is dead. If they knew, Hank would take Dawn away.
Bloodsucker
16-10-08, 10:51 AM
Her grave, though? You can't really bury someone unnoticed when there's a tombstone quite prominently spelling out her name. She must be registered as dead somewhere.
But you're right, thanks, Buffybot helps with the school stuff.
vampmogs
16-10-08, 11:30 AM
I always fankwanked it as saying that they had the grave made by other means. It's actually very possible Willow used magic for the headstone, given her blase attitude to the whole thing, and I doubt with their grief over loosing Buffy the Scoobies would have thought much of it at that time.
I always got the impression she was buried in the woods somewhere as well, we see that she isn't in a cemetery so the grave wouldn't be easily spotted.
Bloodsucker
16-10-08, 04:21 PM
Oh. Interesting point. Well, yes, the scenes in Bargaining indeed take place in a wood...
Now I need to do a re-watch. All your fault. :)
vampmogs
17-10-08, 12:53 AM
:roll: Well the woods part is easy, it seems kinda lame to fall back on the "Willow did it" theory which is so easy to do, but it's hard to fanwank that one any other way. I guess it does fit with where her character was heading at this point in the series though.
Bloodsucker
17-10-08, 10:14 AM
Well, yes. Couldn't think of a better answer either.
And at this point the others probably wouldn't object to it.
Salvation
18-10-08, 01:17 AM
I always wanted to know when W&H brought Darla back in which form i mean is she a vampire or a human?
She walked directly to the sunlight & she didn't sent on fire , but when she staked herself to give Connor the chance to live she turned to dust .Isn't that confusing?
About Vampires they don't need air to live so how come they can smell things?
Rowan Hawthorn
18-10-08, 02:23 AM
About Vampires they don't need air to live so how come they can smell things?
The two things aren't mutual requirements. Since Buffyverse vampires feel pain, it's obvious their nerves still work, so their sense of smell would still work, too (their sense of taste is apparently dulled, but it's not dead either.) So, if the sense of smell still works, then all it requires is moving air through the nose; and as long as the lungs are capable of working to draw a breath, it wouldn't matter whether they actually needed that breath or not - it would be a purely mechanical function.
I always wanted to know when W&H brought Darla back in which form i mean is she a vampire or a human?
She walked directly to the sunlight & she didn't sent on fire , but when she staked herself to give Connor the chance to live she turned to dust .Isn't that confusing?
You didn't saw every episode, did you? :)
They brought her back as a human. But in 'The Trial' Drusilla sires Darla and since that episode she is a vampire again.
I always wanted to know when W&H brought Darla back in which form i mean is she a vampire or a human?
She walked directly to the sunlight & she didn't sent on fire , but when she staked herself to give Connor the chance to live she turned to dust .Isn't that confusing?
About Vampires they don't need air to live so how come they can smell things?
Like Nina said, you must've missed a bunch of episodes, or a whole season, there are about 25 episodes in between Darla running into the sunlight and staking herself.
Anyway, as for the smelling thing they're not taking in the scent to breathe, they take it in to smell as a form of tracking, inhalation can be faked which is obviously how they smell.
Zosimos
18-10-08, 05:49 PM
Maybe I missed something, but I'm wondering this about 'Are You Now or Have You Ever Been' - when Angel picked up the demon-raising supplies (the orb, etc.) in 1952 and then just walked out of the Hyperion, what happened to them? Were they still in the hotel where present-day Angel could find them, or did he have to get another orb from somewhere?
I assume the supplies were picked up by the police or whoever investigated the deaths, there must've been a load after Angel walked out, either that or they just got cleaned away.
And the one they actually used was Wesley's, I think.
This may have been done already, but I always wanted to know mostly about the fashion, of the girls in particular. For instance
-when and how did Drusilla do her make-up and nails? I mean, granted you don't need a mirror to do either (unless you're horrible at applying the stuff), but just curious.
ETA: I just saw Bloodsucker's post on this and laughed my butt off! XD
-taking from Amy's question from "Dead Things" (if I remember correctly) when DID Buffy get time to shop? I mean we only saw her at the mall a few times and I think that was only in the early seasons; this also is agreeing/wondering with the second question Michael posted.
Bloodsucker
20-10-08, 09:53 AM
Always glad to provide amusement. :) Are your hindquarters still attached? ;)
Hm, I assume Buffy does go to the mall, but we just don't see it. After all, we never see her showering either, and I strongly assume she does that every morning. :)
Unfortunately, yes they're still attached :P
On the subject of "human moments" (sorry - too much Breaking Dawn ;)) Dawn and Anya were the only ones that ever mentioned having to use the bathroom as well. Even if they did do stuff like that (like the Buffy bathing) it was pretty rare to see them eat or drink too. If I remember correctly, they were at a table, but that was it.
Xander is shown actually using the bathroom. Though it is technically in a dream.
Rowan Hawthorn
21-10-08, 01:06 AM
Willow mentions once that she's afraid she'll "pee my pants" ("Get It Done",) and we see her in the shower once ("Wrecked".) Faith is shown right after a shower once ("Who Are You?") As far as eating or drinking, we don't really watch them have a complete meal, but we see the whole crew eating Halloween candy in "Fear Itself", Xander is eating an ice cream cone in "When She Was Bad", we see different ones take a drink or a bite of something in "Family", "Pangs", "The Body", "The 'I' In Team", and several others.
By the way, Willow apparently has a killer sweet tooth... :)
Hmm, you know what? It's been so long since I've actually watched Buffy (or Angel for that matter) I forgot these various things =X
They all seem to have an awful lot of time for -ahem- intimacy though...
as long as the lungs are capable of working to draw a breath, it wouldn't matter whether they actually needed that breath or not - it would be a purely mechanical function.
One of the oldest discussions right there... If he could do that then why could he not perform mouth to mouth on buffy, surely he would infact be better at it than humans as he would not be reducing oxygen conc. in the air he breaths out.
The only way to explain things like this away (in the fiction that is, it's clearly just writing mistakes but that's what suspension of d.
is for) is with the whole 'a wizard did it' idea. The fact that the buffyverse is supernatural means that processes might be differant for supernatural creatures, vampires may taint the air when they breath it is or something. That's a lazy way of doing it though.
Rowan Hawthorn
21-10-08, 02:19 AM
One of the oldest discussions right there... If he could do that then why could he not perform mouth to mouth on buffy, surely he would infact be better at it than humans as he would not be reducing oxygen conc. in the air he breaths out.
The only way to explain things like this away (in the fiction that is, it's clearly just writing mistakes but that's what suspension of d.
is for) is with the whole 'a wizard did it' idea. The fact that the buffyverse is supernatural means that processes might be differant for supernatural creatures, vampires may taint the air when they breath it is or something. That's a lazy way of doing it though.
I don't know if I'd call it a "writing mistake" as much as taking a common assumption for granted. In most traditional literature and mythology, vampires being dead do not breathe and the point is usually made that there is no breathing or pulse (but this doesn't hold true everywhere: J. Sheridan LeFanu's "Carmilla" - among others - did, in fact, have a "faint but appreciable respiration",) so it's fairly common for people to overlook the fact that "not required to breathe" is not the same as "cannot breathe at all".
Bloodsucker
21-10-08, 09:38 AM
I wonder if they stop breathing when deeply asleep? Angel doesn't when falling asleep beside Cordelia's bed in "Birthday", he actually snores. :) But then again, he is not really deeply asleep, I assume.
Andrew mentons having to go to the bathroom too, after he and Spike return from the mission where they investigated Caleb in "Touched".
Oh well, since nobody is interesting in seeing them use the bathroom or brushing their teeth and so on, it just does not get shown. There's more eating of course since that is obviously done in public and one can have an interesting conversation while doing so (not that you can't have a conversation while using the bathroom, technically, but normally people prefer to be undisturbed then :)). There's the large Thanksgiving dinner in Pangs, for example. We don't see the whole thing, but part of it.
Oh, and we obviously don't see the whole intimacies, or else it would get somewhat... dirty. :)
vampmogs
21-10-08, 12:23 PM
They made a fuss of the potentials needing to pee in season seven, Anya storms in and demands to know what Andrew is doing in 'Storyteller' because of the hold up. Apparently our urinary systems only become important to the story when they're an inconvenience. :)
Rowan Hawthorn
21-10-08, 12:33 PM
Heh. That's about the only time they're really funny...
Bloodsucker
22-10-08, 09:26 AM
Heh, guess so. Otherwise it's an entirely non-interesting body function.
Since Storyteller pretty much shows the everyday life in an overcrowded house, it's unsurprising that this is included.
oneslikeme
10-11-08, 02:43 AM
i kinda look at the breathing thing the same way it was explained in the twilight books. breath isn't necessary, but its something that the body is used to doing, so its strange not to do it. spike sighs exasperatedly all the time, so he obviously takes a breath. lol. they also need air to talk, as air going over the voice cords is what produces sound. i suppose their body just doesn't use the air at all.
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