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Wolfie Gilmore
30-06-08, 03:03 PM
I’m not asking who you think Buffy should end up with specifically. It could be someone she hasn’t met yet. But obviously if you think a character she knows already has the qualities to make it last with the slayer, do say who you think would be best.

So, in terms of what would balance out Buffy’s flaws, complement her good qualities…and make her happy…. What kind of person (be they human or otherwise) would make the best mate for Buffy, once she’s cookies?

And is she cookies already?

EDIT: the prince thing is a reference btw, that bit about rescuing the prince. :) Not that she'll necessarily do it with said prince. But if said prince is Xander then...well, that's a popular theory. :D

I'll come back and say what I think would suit Buffy in character sense.

lara
30-06-08, 03:43 PM
Well, I'm a Spuffy fan!! :heart: I always saw Spike and Buffy as equals, in many many ways, I think they complement each other quite well, they respect and trust each other (I'm talking of course about Spuffy in season 7), and that's what you want in a long term relashionship. Plus good chemistry.

I don't think that Buffy could ever have a relashionship that works with a "just human" guy, she needs someone that's more than that, 'cause, well, she's no normal girl. BUT if Joss decides to pair her with a "normal guy", I wouldn't mind if it were with Xander. He's number 2 for me, after Spike. I think if there's a "human" man that could understand her and wouldn't mind her being more powerfull than him is Xander. Plus he's been friends with her for years now, and that's a wonderful quality in a boyfriend, you know, that you can be friends with him, besides being lovers.

Boltmaiden
30-06-08, 03:56 PM
Angel...wow shocking i know but i have said in other threads that i actually think they would be a better couple now than they were before because of what each character has been through, I think that Angel could help Buffy in places that she is struggling and I think that now they are in a place where they are truly equals. Plus i think they complete each other.

I have to say that I agree with Lara with the fact that Xander would be my number two pick as well because he knows her so well, they have been through so much together and have always found a way to come back together as friends no matter what. Having that foundation would be key to make the love long term.

But I don't think he is the only human who could be with her, at least not now:D

Wolfie Gilmore
30-06-08, 04:12 PM
I think Buffy, like many headstrong heroes, needs someone who will both support her choices and be loyal, but also call her on her shit and not let her get away with stuff. Now, that someone doesn’t have to be their lover too, of course (cf Donna and the Doctor), but I think Buffy might benefit from a lover who doesn’t idolise her, but instead sees her as she is and will tell her if he thinks she’s being emotionally unavailable/distant/engaging in defensive isolationist slayer crap ;)

If that person was her lover, then Xander would fit the mould. I can see her gradually realising she likes him in a more-than-friends way (slightly sexy yet anxious dream about him in one of the early issues of season 8, for example, seems a bit of a hint), and I think the support and respect he’d provide, coupled with knowing her well enough to know when she’s being too Chosen One, would make them a strong couple.

But she could have Xander as her consigliere and someone else as her romantic partner. I can see her having a bickering-yet-strong relationship with someone charismatic (gorgeous, in an annoying sort of way, as per Angel ;) who is perhaps just as pig headed as she can be, but somehow they can laugh at that fact and get over it by taking the piss out of each other. Perhaps someone human, but who is part of her world – some mystic she meets on the job, perhaps. Buffy and a wizard? Stranger things have happened in fanfic :D

I don’t think Buffy needs someone who’s somehow more than human, though. Now she’s no longer the only chosen one, I think her sense of being different from other people is perhaps a little lessened… perhaps that might bring her closer to normal humans over time, now she’s no longer “special” in the same way?

NB: I’m saying him here because I don’t seriously think Buffy would end up with a woman. Unless Dame Judi suddenly decides she’s into chicks, of course, given she’s on “the list”, and certainly wouldn’t take any crap from Buffy ;)

Michael
30-06-08, 04:52 PM
I don't fancy any of the characters so far. If I were drawing up the "operational requirement" I would go for an older man, probably in his later 30s, a soldier and an intellectual. I mean a former professional soldier--maybe SAS or similar--who was now an archaeologist specializing in ancient and prehistoric archeology.

He would know a lot about the occult and would have knowledge of the Watchers Council, but had refused to have anything to do with them. In the beginning he would be suspicious of Buffy, and she of him, and then they would fall in love.

He would be connected, in a loose way, with intelligence services. He should have more than a touch of T.E.Lawrence about him, but should have a more normal character in intimate matters. He would be a charismatic figure and a visionary.

tangent
30-06-08, 05:03 PM
Dame Judi all the way for me.

That's pretty much a vote for none of the above. I don't really want Buffy to retrace her steps with Angel or Spike or Riley cos been there, done them (Ahem).

Xander I prefer in the Consiglieere role. I like the fact that on a show with a lot of very strong interesting characters we still have one very strong male character who's not just boyfriend of... I think we need him for that role.

Satsu would be a possibility but i kind of like how that was left, so yes bring on Dame Judi.

Another Bond fantasy secene could be in order but this time with Buffy as 008 perhaps getting a, um, debriefing.

Wolfie Gilmore
30-06-08, 05:05 PM
I don't fancy any of the characters so far. If I were drawing up the "operational requirement" I would go for an older man, probably in his later 30s, a soldier

Damn, now I can’t get The Brigadier from Doctor Who out of my head as Buffy’s beau. Noooo! So wrong…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigadier_Lethbridge-Stewart


[/quote] and an intellectual. I mean a former professional soldier--maybe SAS or similar--who was now an archaeologist specializing in ancient and prehistoric archeology. [/quote]

Specific, I like it! I don’t agree about the soldier part particularly, but I like the idea of a historian with occult knowledge. Erm…though that’s quite Indiana Jones now I think about it!


He would be connected, in a loose way, with intelligence services. He should have more than a touch of T.E.Lawrence about him, but should have a more normal character in intimate matters. He would be a charismatic figure and a visionary.

I’m thinking crossovers again…


http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/spooks/personnel_ac.shtml


Dame Judi all the way for me.

I saw the poll first and was wondering who voted for her!


That's pretty much a vote for none of the above. I don't really want Buffy to retrace her steps with Angel or Spike or Riley cos been there, done them (Ahem).

Oh yes, forgot to add a none of the above box.


Xander I prefer in the Consiglieere role. I like the fact that on a show with a lot of very strong interesting characters we still have one very strong male character who's not just boyfriend of... I think we need him for that role.

I definitely see your point from a character development/roles point of view. But I also think that Xander is quite well suited to her now, where they are in their lives. Not immediately now now, cos, with the dead ex girlfriend for Xander and the recent stuff with Satsu and Buffy – need a break, both of ‘em, I’m sure. But in a few years, I can see them fitting pretty nicely.

Or someone completely new, that is. I’m liking this whole Buffy/spy thing, but perhaps on a fanfic/anywhere but here fantasy note rather than in reality.

Mind you, I would love a proper Spooks crossover, because I think the post-Chosen world fits pretty well with the Spooksverse. Especially Giles, but Buffy too.

Nina
30-06-08, 05:20 PM
Angel...wow shocking i know but i have said in other threads that i actually think they would be a better couple now than they were before because of what each character has been through, I think that Angel could help Buffy in places that she is struggling and I think that now they are in a place where they are truly equals. Plus i think they complete each other.

I have to say that I agree with Lara with the fact that Xander would be my number two pick as well because he knows her so well, they have been through so much together and have always found a way to come back together as friends no matter what. Having that foundation would be key to make the love long term.

But I don't think he is the only human who could be with her, at least not now:D

I agree with Boltmaiden, only I'm no fan of the Xander/Buffy couple because I'm no fan of first 100% platonic friends than after years lovers storylines in tv-series, it will always feel forced to me.

But I want to add something; I already said before, we are always looking with who Buffy should end up. But the other title character lost all the other candidates and we've no idea how much story we will get with Angel, is there time to find a new big love for him? ... and it would be sad if he ends up alone, I know ... harsh realitycakes but still, why can Buffy end up with friends, family and a lover ... and why does Angel have to end up alone after being alone his whole life. Yes, he has Connor, but he has to share him with Connor's other parents, friends, etc. Connor has a whole life without Angel.

But yes, the romantic Bangel fan in me would love it if they return to eachother, both grown up and better fitting than at the start. Doesn't mean that any other ending can't make me happy, but right now ... this is my favourite one. The two heroes together again after years full of fantastic (and less fantastic) seasons of their own shows. I think that they will fit very well in the end. They went both trough a lot of simular situations (single parent of a teenager, when depressed they have sex with a blonde soulless vampire, 'betrayed' by a British guy, good friend went powersick etc.), they become every season more like eachother and they are equals as they were never eachothers leader/boss.

Charles
30-06-08, 09:34 PM
Despite my status as a Xander fan, I think Angel fits the best. he's the closest thing to outright soul-mate status I think in the BtVS/AtS verse and he's probably the only one who's storyline resolution depends on ending up with someone. And he does fit the older male requirement.

Xander I don't think will end up with anyone. It's not necessary for his character's story anymore IMO.

Sacred Knight
30-06-08, 11:46 PM
Define necessary. Is it necessary for any character to end up with someone? Not really. I don't see what's excluding Xander more than anyone else from the possibility of finding love.

So I still go with him. He's human, yet he's not "normal" so to speak. He is an ordinary person who not only manages to exist by thrive in the world of the extraordinary. To me I've always felt it was the best of both worlds for Buffy. The have developed pretty much every connection possible between two people except save one, a mutual sexual attraction, and even that may have already evolved, as Buffy's dream is a strong sign (yet admittedly still not absolute proof in the waking world), that Buffy is attracted to him now.

holypotatoes
01-07-08, 12:21 AM
I of course am going with Dame Judi Dench! Mostly because there was no "other" category. I don't want Buffy to be with any of the people on that list. I want her to start over with someone new and fresh. Whether that guy (yes, GUY. No more Batsu stuff. :p ) is just an average joe or has super awesome powers doesn't really matter to me and I don't think it would really matter at all to Buffy. She needs to get away from the drama that is her past relationships and move on. Angel and Spike might not ever truly get over her, nor do I think Buffy will ever fully get over them but I think she'll be able to find love and happiness that doesn't have to deal with the downside of being with two vampires, both of which were best buds back in the day. So in short, let Buffy stay alone and have hott one night stands whenever she want's for the rest of her life or have her find another man to love. Both scenarios work for me. :D

EvilVampire
01-07-08, 03:04 AM
I don't get the impression that Buffy would end up with anyone.

More or less long term (a couple years, maybe), is one thing. But for the rest of her life? I don't think that's likely. Then again, considering her line of work, maybe her life will end violently while she's in a relationship. :eviltail:

Barring that, though, I doubt it. She doesn't look like cookie material to me.

Just a personal impression, though. :)

alexa
01-07-08, 04:44 AM
Yeah I'm also of the opinion that she probably wont 'end up' with anyone.. unless it's done in a way I haven't considered.
But I voted for Xander... unless Angel is human and back in her life.. then I really can't decide. She does need a human.. thought we established this in season three, but they keep dragging us back to immortals.

Nina
01-07-08, 09:43 AM
Oh I agree that Buffy needs a human. If Angel is a vampire in the end ... I don't want an Angel/Buffy pairing. I don't think that will work, and I don't see why they would try that one again. I never got Angel's last words in 'Chosen' ... it sounded like Buffy's cookie dough problem, the only reason was to not be together.

MaverickKing
01-07-08, 10:54 AM
I hope Angel, but I think it'll end up being Dame Judi Dench.

vampmogs
01-07-08, 11:28 AM
I voted Dench, really because I can't decide :lol:

So far it is pretty much a tie between Angel or Xander for me. Angel because out of her all her relationships so far it is the one I've liked the most and the one person I felt Buffy truly opened up to emotionally, and was the most honest with out of all the people she deeply cared about, even in 'Chosen' at the end of season seven as well as episodes like 'Forever' in season 5.

But unless he stays human it can't work, that's the point, so for their sake I hope he does.

But then I think Buffy/Xander could easily top Buffy/Angel for me should it happen, and since Xander is human and Buffy's shown she's very capable of opening up to him, especially in this season, I think it is pretty much a tie.

A tie because Buffy/Angel has actually happened and it is my favourite of her relationships, but because I think I could easily like Buffy/Xander more and I think he'd be best for her.

So I'm going with our Dame Dench until I get to see Bander first hand :D

allthings
01-07-08, 12:22 PM
Im gonna use this quote from The Prom.

*Angel: "You deserve more. You deserve something outside of demons and darkness. You should be with someone who can take you into the light.*

Buffy lives a rather dark life and I think she needs someone who isnt a part of that. Someone new, fresh and pure but someone who is able to understand the person she is. Kinda like Tara was to Willow. I know Riley was meant to be the regular guy and was classed as dull, but he was still part of the demon business. I think she needs someone who will accept her for all she is much like Spike did (re: his speech in 'Touched'. And she should be able to capture a love as rich as she had with Angel but maturer.

But I do think that her Prince should be definately someone new, but not represented as dull just because he isnt a vamp like Angel or Spike. And although, initially the guy wouldnt be part of her slayer world he would obviously get in it somehow as part of his evolution. Sorry if Im talking crap lol

Charles
01-07-08, 03:33 PM
Define necessary. Is it necessary for any character to end up with someone? Not really. I don't see what's excluding Xander more than anyone else from the possibility of finding love.

So I still go with him. He's human, yet he's not "normal" so to speak. He is an ordinary person who not only manages to exist by thrive in the world of the extraordinary. To me I've always felt it was the best of both worlds for Buffy. The have developed pretty much every connection possible between two people except save one, a mutual sexual attraction, and even that may have already evolved, as Buffy's dream is a strong sign (yet admittedly still not absolute proof in the waking world), that Buffy is attracted to him now.

To me Xander is a character who's at his happiest when everyone around him is happy. That's how I saw him in the series when he was withe Cordelia or Anya. He seemed just as happy for Buffy and Willow as he was for himself if not more so.

So I don't think it's really necessary or important for him to end up with anyone. I think he's a prime candidate for the Joxer ending if they want to go that way with him.

As for Buffy being attracted to him, I don't see it. Buffy's dream was as much a nightmare as anything and I can't see her choosing to pursue a relationship with Satsu if she legitimately thought a relationship with Xander was possible at any point. I just don't think think Xander fits what Buffy is looking for in a partner anymore.

Sacred Knight
01-07-08, 11:22 PM
I took it that the dream was legit before it turned into the crazy nightmare. Even further, the suggestion within the dream that they had, at the very least, slept together in the same bed suggests one of two things. Buffy has had a similar dream(s) before, or they really did have a secret rendezvous that they haven't talked about yet. I find the latter to be rather unlikely though considering there's no real tension between the two that would probably be present had they actually done anything, so I'm going with her having dreams of Xander previous to the one we saw. That whole sequence up until his head pops up just doesn't jive at all with the rest of the nightmare, I see it as Buffy sleeping peacefully having a normal dream before the mojo kicks in.

I just don't see the point to those panels at all if the intent wasn't to get across clearly that at least in Buffy's subconscious, she's starting to see Xander sexually. What that means for the future is anyone's guess, I'm not pretending I know for a fact or am using this as proof the two will end up together, but it had to have been put there for some reason.

holypotatoes
01-07-08, 11:41 PM
I took it that the dream was legit before it turned into the crazy nightmare. Even further, the suggestion within the dream that they had, at the very least, slept together in the same bed suggests one of two things. Buffy has had a similar dream(s) before, or they really did have a secret rendezvous that they haven't talked about yet. I find the latter to be rather unlikely though considering there's no real tension between the two that would probably be present had they actually done anything, so I'm going with her having dreams of Xander previous to the one we saw.

Why would you think there would be tension between the two of them if they did get together at some point? Just curious. I don't really think there would automatically be tension just because they had sex and didn't talk about it. I mean, isn't that what a one night stand's supposed to be. Do the deed and then that's it. Why would it have to mean something more between the two of them? Why couldn't it just be *Friends quote ahead*, "wild, meaningless animal sex" ? :lol: Yes if it had happened between the two of them already, they probably would have talked about it by now but I don't see why there would have to be tension between the two of them.

Sacred Knight
02-07-08, 12:22 AM
That's possible, I guess I was just under the impression that if it were to be written that something happened before season 8 even started, it would be very shortly before, and thus not a lot of time for resolution. No real reason I felt that way that's just the way my brain processed the situation. Your scenario would certainly be perfectly plausible, however. I would though be very let down if the act and resolution all happened off-page. That's why I'm still in the camp of nothing happening between them yet.

Charles
02-07-08, 08:36 PM
I took it that the dream was legit before it turned into the crazy nightmare. Even further, the suggestion within the dream that they had, at the very least, slept together in the same bed suggests one of two things. Buffy has had a similar dream(s) before, or they really did have a secret rendezvous that they haven't talked about yet. I find the latter to be rather unlikely though considering there's no real tension between the two that would probably be present had they actually done anything, so I'm going with her having dreams of Xander previous to the one we saw. That whole sequence up until his head pops up just doesn't jive at all with the rest of the nightmare, I see it as Buffy sleeping peacefully having a normal dream before the mojo kicks in.

I just don't see the point to those panels at all if the intent wasn't to get across clearly that at least in Buffy's subconscious, she's starting to see Xander sexually. What that means for the future is anyone's guess, I'm not pretending I know for a fact or am using this as proof the two will end up together, but it had to have been put there for some reason.

Except she's been in similiar positions before and reacted pretty much the same, choosing to share her bed with someone who isn't Xander.

S4, they're both single and free romantically, Xander as often is the case, gives her a much needed pep talk and makes her feel better about herself. Then they both split and end with different partners for the next two plus years.

Then comes S7 where she, Dawn and Xander have formed a sort of family vibe. Again neither is romantically entangled when we see them. Spike even refers to Xander as 'her boy' at least once. Yet as the season goes along, whateve romantic potential between the two (which I believe SMG or MT said they worked very hard to attain the family type vibe) disappears.

Now look at S8. Again we have the early hints like say the dream if you will about a possible relationship between the two. Yet since that one point in the comics, the two have been steadily headed in different directions. Buffy is involved in a relationship with Satsu. Xander was taking the very slow and somewhat uncertain steps to having a relationship of his own with Renee and then she's brutally murdered right before his eye.

At this point in time, barring the somewhat discussed and speculated radical change of character for Xander or Buffy or both, I don't see a romantic relationship in the offering for them. I think that 'ship has passed largely.

Sacred Knight
03-07-08, 12:00 AM
There's similarities in their situation but there's a key difference between the instances you illustrate and season 8 that renders them pretty incomparable. The big difference here above all else is that it was established in season 1 that Buffy did not see Xander in a romantic light, and throught the series as their friendship and bond grew, they never took the time to illustrate to us that Buffy's feelings about him in the sexual realm may be changing. So jump forward now, There's still the relationship, there's still the familial bond, but this time they have chosen to make us at the very least question that Buffy's feelings for Xander may be changing in the way of the addition of a physical attraction on her part. That small detail, despite the similarities of the relationship that's currently being portrayed outwardly between the two and the relationship we've seen between them in past seasons, is enough to turn the situation completely upside down. If they want to. Again I don't know their plans, they could take that dream and render it meaningless if they want to, but until they do I'm taking it at face value.

As far as the current romantic interests for the two, I see the fact that Buffy and Xander both have thus far pursued different relationships to be pretty moot. What I'm arguing is that an attraction to Xander is growing in Buffy, and the fact she slept with Satsu or the fact Xander was pursuing a relationship before Renee's death doesn't really affect that theory one way or the other, nor does it make the chances of something happening down the line any less possible. I have trouble understanding why the two characters need to display some radical change to make the possibility of a relationship easier to swallow. The progression, should Joss have the idea in his head to do this, is moving along fine and realistically as is.

holypotatoes
03-07-08, 12:15 AM
There's similarities in their situation but there's a key difference between the instances you illustrate and season 8 that renders them pretty incomparable. The big difference here above all else is that it was established in season 1 that Buffy did not see Xander in a romantic light, and throught the series as their friendship and bond grew, they never took the time to illustrate to us that Buffy's feelings about him in the sexual realm may be changing. So jump forward now, There's still the relationship, there's still the familial bond, but this time they have chosen to make us at the very least question that Buffy's feelings for Xander may be changing in the way of the addition of a physical attraction on her part. That small detail, despite the similarities of the relationship that's currently being portrayed outwardly between the two and the relationship we've seen between them in past seasons, is enough to turn the situation completely upside down. If they want to. Again I don't know their plans, they could take that dream and render it meaningless if they want to, but until they do I'm taking it at face value.

I see the fact that Buffy and Xander both have thus far pursued different relationships to be pretty moot. What I'm arguing is that an attraction to Xander is growing in Buffy, and the fact she slept with Satsu or the fact Xander was pursuing a relationship before Renee's death doesn't change that, nor does it make the chances of something happening down the line any less possible. There would need to be no radical change in either Buffy or Xander.

Now I'm gonna be a party pooper and rain on your parade here for a sec; how do we know Buffy wasn't just horny? I'm sorry but come on. To base what might possibly become a relationship off of a dream is a little bit of a stretch. I get where you're coming from with everything else but the fact of the matter is, is that Xander's the only guy around at this point. Obviously he's gonna be getting a little more appealing everyday the longer there isn't anyone else around. Although now that Buffy's chosen to sleep with Satsu twice now, is a little bit of a slap in the face to the Xan man. I mean, she would rather switch teams instead of sleep with Xander. :( In saying that though, maybe she wouldn't want to ruin the family type bond they have by sleeping with him. Don't get me wrong though, I'm a total impartial shipper and I think it would be great if we got to see Bander but I just can't see making the basis of an argument off of one dream. :o

Sacred Knight
03-07-08, 12:23 AM
We don't know that, honestly. That's why I'm keeping it in my mind that they could, like I said, render it meaningless with a simple explanation such as that, that she was simply horny and 'nuff said. But for me I'm going to have to see that explanation otherwise, because I just can't see it being added for the hell of it, for no reason. If they just wanted to get across she was horny, well they did that the previous issue when she stated flat out in her monologue that she missed sex. So I'm looking at it in terms of narrative, as why did Joss even put it there at all? And I just have a hard time buying right now that it's not to foreshadow something. If that's not the case though, I'll move on. :)

holypotatoes
03-07-08, 12:34 AM
We don't know that, honestly. That's why I'm keeping it in my mind that they could, like I said, render it meaningless with a simple explanation such as that, that she was simply horny and 'nuff said. But for me I'm going to have to see that explanation otherwise, because I just can't see it being added for the hell of it, for no reason. If they just wanted to get across she was horny, well they did that the previous issue when she stated flat out in her monologue that she missed sex. So I'm looking at it in terms of narrative, as why did Joss even put it there at all? And I just have a hard time buying right now that it's not to foreshadow something. If that's not the case though, I'll move on. :)
See but I think all the non-Bander shippers are seeing it in an exact opposite way. They need an explanation that it was something more than a fluke dream. Maybe this dream was reinforcing the statement Buffy made before about how she was horny. :s Like the writer's were really trying to stress the point that yup, get ready, 'cause she's so horny she's about to sleep with a girl. :lol: Plus it's a comic book. There has to be some sort of sex whether it's in a dream or not. Joss could just be trying to keep everybody happy by getting Buffy together with whoever people might want her to be with. Wasn't there a threesome panel with Buffy, Angel and Spike a couple episodes ago? Just right there, they're keeping the Bangel shippers and Spuffy shippers happy. Then they have this Bander sex dream and then Batsu for the people that wanted to see Buffy with a woman. All the bases seem to be getting covered. :p

Charles
03-07-08, 01:07 AM
There's similarities in their situation but there's a key difference between the instances you illustrate and season 8 that renders them pretty incomparable. The big difference here above all else is that it was established in season 1 that Buffy did not see Xander in a romantic light, and throught the series as their friendship and bond grew, they never took the time to illustrate to us that Buffy's feelings about him in the sexual realm may be changing. So jump forward now, There's still the relationship, there's still the familial bond, but this time they have chosen to make us at the very least question that Buffy's feelings for Xander may be changing in the way of the addition of a physical attraction on her part. That small detail, despite the similarities of the relationship that's currently being portrayed outwardly between the two and the relationship we've seen between them in past seasons, is enough to turn the situation completely upside down. If they want to. Again I don't know their plans, they could take that dream and render it meaningless if they want to, but until they do I'm taking it at face value.

Technically not true. Buffy was sort of interested in Xander in S1 right up until Willow made it known she had 'dibs' so to speak. Then later on in S2 we again see some evidence that she did still see him in a romantic light as evidenced by that almost embrace in the funeral home.



As far as the current romantic interests for the two, I see the fact that Buffy and Xander both have thus far pursued different relationships to be pretty moot. What I'm arguing is that an attraction to Xander is growing in Buffy, and the fact she slept with Satsu or the fact Xander was pursuing a relationship before Renee's death doesn't really affect that theory one way or the other, nor does it make the chances of something happening down the line any less possible. I have trouble understanding why the two characters need to display some radical change to make the possibility of a relationship easier to swallow. The progression, should Joss have the idea in his head to do this, is moving along fine and realistically as is.

Buffy or Xander would need to make radical changes in their personality or character for a relationship to work I feel. Because, inherently both are attracted to very confident people. And that's the conflict because around Buffy, Xander at least IMO, isn't that confident. He repeatedly expresses doubts and concerns about everything. Yes he does question her early in the series but as time goes by, even that fades.

Buffy's attracted to confident men as much as Xander is attracted to confident women. And unless Xander finds it himself to be much more confident around her (which is not what's going on now), or she decides that maybe having someone who isn't overly confident as her past partners have been, I don't see the status quo changing.

Now thanks to the Comic storyline we have a disclaimer, I strongly suspect a radical change is coming for one of them. And while the end result maybe more friendly to this pairing, the means to which that is achieved will be very, very ugly.

Sacred Knight
03-07-08, 01:21 AM
I hear you guys, I see where you're both coming from and definitely respect the opinions. I still hold to mine, but in any event its definitely well-presented that a relationship between the two should not be a foregone conclusion at this point. I admit too that, being a fan of the 'ship I'm actively scanning for clues some readers won't. I still hope it happens and think there's a good shot but I'll try not to be too disappointed if it doesn't pan out.

Though I do very much disagree about the Buffy showing an interest in Xander in season 1 deal. I had forgotten about that scene in the funeral home in season 2, but I don't recall anything in season 1 to even hint that she has an interest in the guy even before she knows of Willow's feelings.

CaptainOats
03-07-08, 08:32 AM
Angel...wow shocking i know but i have said in other threads that i actually think they would be a better couple now than they were before because of what each character has been through, I think that Angel could help Buffy in places that she is struggling and I think that now they are in a place where they are truly equals. Plus i think they complete each other.

I totally agree! Three words: Buffy + Angel = Problem Solved! Okay that's four words but i still think buffy and angel should be together. Think of all the moments they had together. ''I will Remember You'' on angel. That episode said it all. They are the perfect duo and soul mates! Plus i absolutely hated it when buffy was with spike. Angel treated her like a queen. Spike raped her. Add it all up....who should she be with? Angel! And oh my god buffy better not turn lesbo because that would just not look good. But whatever does happen. :heart:Buffy and Angel Forever...:heart:

Boltmaiden
03-07-08, 06:25 PM
I totally agree! Three words: Buffy + Angel = Problem Solved! Okay that's four words but i still think buffy and angel should be together. Think of all the moments they had together. ''I will Remember You'' on angel. That episode said it all. They are the perfect duo and soul mates! Plus i absolutely hated it when buffy was with spike. Angel treated her like a queen. Spike raped her. Add it all up....who should she be with? Angel! And oh my god buffy better not turn lesbo because that would just not look good. But whatever does happen. :heart:Buffy and Angel Forever...:heart:

Haha, you should head over to the Bangel thread my friend, we could use your love for the couple and I would love to hear more of your thoughts on them!:D

Oh please be careful, Spike did NOT rape Buffy, it was attempted rape and the circumstances ended up setting up a great journey for Spike from it. Was it still a hard scene and a very dark moment, absolutely but no rape happened.

KingofCretins
03-07-08, 10:36 PM
It simply must be Xander.

Buffy needs a man who believes in her, but challenges her. Who tells her everything she needs to hear and everything she *doesn't want* to hear. She needs someone who knows her secret and can share her mission, but can also draw her toward the walking/talking/shopping/sneezing truth of who she is inside. She needs someone who will be able to share day and night with her and every human experience.

Her whole life, there's only one person she's met that embodies all those things -- Alexander Lavelle Harris.

I don't think it matters that Buffy wasn't instantly infatuated with him. There is no question that, starting in Season 2, she did have an understanding of the kind of good thing he would be, but she loved who she loved. The best summary I've ever read of the moment they shared in "Phases" is that Buffy looks like she's thinking "I should have fallen in love with you". They share a moment like that in "Inca Mummy Girl" as well, when she thanks him for saving her, they hold a look a bit too long and loving to be strictly platonic, catch themselves in it, and look away.

Throughout later seasons, they were never really single at the same time much at all, but there was always a sort of tacit understanding, I think, that Xander was *not* a guy friend she could go lingerie shopping with or something, there's was not a "safe" dynamic that way.

Some favorite moments -- Buffy explaining to Faith she'd never slept with Xander, with the key reason she lands on being "Besides, I think it ruins friendship to do that stuff." It's as if to say that she'd found the notion at least appealing in principle, but irresponsible to act on.

I love the face Buffy makes in "I Was Made to Love You" (an episode writer Jane Espenson said was deliberately full of Buffy/Xander subtext) when Anya says she's sure Xander loves only her, Buffy's like "heh".

They have a lot of inertia working against them -- but they have a lot of intimacy and comfort working for them. Love is friendship set on fire, and all they need is a little spark.

Charles
04-07-08, 12:09 AM
I always thought her conversation with Faith also meant Willow since any advances Buffy would have made towards Xander also would have likely cost her, her friendship with Willow.